List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Horaceg]

Some depth will be oh so refreshing! Not to mention some kids who either played (McInnes, Macrae) or were very close to playing (Harrison, Draper) who shall improve.

That's where a good chunk of the improvement needs to come from, having those you mentioned coming in when/as needed filling a role or because they have genuinely knocked the door down and having a positive impact.

I have a good feeling about McInnes,

 

[Bianconeri]

No.
Unlikely, given Fiorini is purely a midfielder.
Hell yes.
No.

I’m confident Hill will be best 22. McCreery I like but he’s the weakest small forward.

I think WHE makes way for the extra mid rotation. Pendlebury, Crisp and De Goey spend a bit more time up forward.

We need a tall defender to come into the side and it’s one of those two that will make way.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Murphy not an automatic inclusion for next year? What am I reading?

Murphy will take over from Howe and if this game showed anything, it's that the older players could be closer to the end than our 11 game run might have been masking

Howe, Sidebottom and Pendlebury were not very good in this game. At all.

 

[sr36]

Howe, Sidebottom and Pendlebury were not very good in this game. At all.

Howe had a poor game, but Pendles and Sidey were excellent.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Howe had a poor game, but Pendles and Sidey were excellent.

They really weren't and both made terrible decisions repeatedly in the last quarter when good decisions were required

 

[thommo_legend]

Howe had a poor game, but Pendles and Sidey were excellent.

Agree I thought Sidey was very solid, he was clean and made good decisions with ball in hand.

 

[Apex36]

Murphy not an automatic inclusion for next year? What am I reading?

Murphy will take over from Howe and if this game showed anything, it's that the older players could be closer to the end than our 11 game run might have been masking

Howe, Sidebottom and Pendlebury were not very good in this game. At all.

Are you talking about the same Scott Pendlebury who had 29 disposals, 6 tackles, 6 clearances, 4 intercepts and 7 inside 50’s?

If you regard that as not very good at all, then I’m not sure what to say other than maybe give the drugs a rest. He was comfortably in our top 3 players for the night.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Frampton - Murphy
Mcstay - Cox
Fiorini - Bianco
Hill - Krueger/Johnson

If Hill wants to be a Kreuger type he'd be better off going to Essendon and hoping the Hird/Dank team get up.

 

[magpies42]

Do they need to replace somebody straight away? Competition in the squad is incredibly important, it pushes players to perform better.

Frampton - pushes for a spot in the 22 (with Dean and other KPD), keeping Murphy (long term Howe replacement) on his toes. He also gives us the option to play taller, releasing Moore/Howe/Maynard.
Hill - healthy competition for Ginni and McCreery as small pressure forwards. Puts pressure on WHE to perform, as McCreery or Hill can play higher up the ground as that high half forward/offensive wingman.
McStay - should come in and replace Cox as the fwd/ruck. If Cox holds his spot, then he pushes Johnson to perform otherwise he's dropped.
Fiorini (or Titch*) - this is a need for us, it gives us an in an under midfielder who can extract the ball, handing off to Pendles/Nick/Crisp to release and kick. Adams is too injury prone, we can't keep relying on him.

*Fiorini and Titch are too similar. They're both slow, but extract and find the ball well. Fiorini is younger and much cheaper. Happy to give him a go. Getting both would be a waste.

Mitchell is cheaper than Fiorini, comes free.

 

[gouki88]

I’m confident Hill will be best 22. McCreery I like but he’s the weakest small forward.

I think WHE makes way for the extra mid rotation. Pendlebury, Crisp and De Goey spend a bit more time up forward.

We need a tall defender to come into the side and it’s one of those two that will make way.

Maybe, I think Hill and McCreery will play different roles. I have a feeling we'll see one of them work further up the field, pushing Bianco out.

 

[gouki88]

They really weren't and both made terrible decisions repeatedly in the last quarter when good decisions were required

Borderline delusional - Pendlebury was almost singlehandedly leading our comeback through excellent decision-making. This is perhaps the most bizarre, and downright incorrect post I've ever seen.

 

[manicpie]

I’m confident Hill will be best 22. McCreery I like but he’s the weakest small forward.

I think WHE makes way for the extra mid rotation. Pendlebury, Crisp and De Goey spend a bit more time up forward.

We need a tall defender to come into the side and it’s one of those two that will make way.

I would like to see Beau play wing next year, his run and carry when he actually does do it, is first class. I think Hill is a better option as a small forward

 

[gouki88]

Mitchell is cheaper than Fiorini, comes free.

Mitchell is not a free agent.

 

[Juan Ide]

I reckon that the players in our 22 from the prelim whose positions might be in jeopardy in the best 22 next year may include (in no particular order):
Murphy,
Noble,
Bianco,
Cox,
Cameron,
Johnson,
WHE.

I'd be for retaining Noble in our best 22 (or at least for cover) and obviously Adams comes back in.

If Frampton or Dean replace Murphy,
If Hill or Carmichael or McInnes or Macrae or Fiorini replace Bianco,
If Mc Stay replaces Cameron (closest like-for-like upgrade)
If we get a gun inside midfielder (Mitchell, Parish or - best of all if highly unlikely, Dunkley), squeezing out WHE on the wing, with some reshuffling of roles to cover his absence (I'd have Sidey and Jaicos permanently on the flanks)
If we trade in a gun forward through the draft (e.g. Cadman, Sheezel, Wardlaw, Jefferson, George or Hotton) to replace/cover AJ...

that would probably represent a reasonably strong uplift for our list.

I'd love for us to hold on to Grundy, if possible

But, in order to achieve this, we'd probably need to trade out/receive fair compensation for: Cameron, WHE and Henry at the very least (and maybe Poulter). We might even consider trading out the replaced Bianco?

If Grundy stayed, he'd replace Cox - who could provide cover, or might even be tradeable if we think McStay and/or Frampton and/or Kreuger could spell Brodie - and we believe we could negotiate a fair trade for him?

With apologies for anyone's 'favourite son' whom I might have unwittingly assassinated. Just my opinions...

 

[Bianconeri]

I would like to see Beau play wing next year, his run and carry when he actually does do it, is first class. I think Hill is a better option as a small forward

Problem is I don’t think either Daicos or Sidebottom will give up much wing time next year

 

[Bianconeri]

Maybe, I think Hill and McCreery will play different roles. I have a feeling we'll see one of them work further up the field, pushing Bianco out.

In my comment I wrote the changes were from the 22 that faced Geelong where Bianco is already out for Adams.

 

[manicpie]

I reckon that the players in our 22 from the prelim whose positions might be in jeopardy in the best 22 next year may include (in no particular order):
Murphy,
Noble,
Bianco,
Cox,
Cameron,
Johnson,
WHE.

I'd be for retaining Noble in our best 22 (or at least for cover) and obviously Adams comes back in.

If Frampton or Dean replace Murphy,
If Hill or Carmichael or McInnes or Fiorini replace Bianco,
If Mc Stay replaces Cameron (closest like-for-like upgrade)
If we get a gun inside midfielder (Mitchell, Parish or - best of all if highly unlikely, Dunkley), squeezing out WHE on the wing, with some reshuffling of roles to cover his absence (I'd have Sidey and Jaicos permanently on the flanks)
If we trade in a gun forward through the draft (e.g. Cadman, Sheezel, Wardlaw, Jefferson, George or Hotton) to replace/cover AJ...

that would probably represent a reasonably strong uplift for our list.

I'd love for us to hold on to Grundy, if possible

But, in order to achieve this, we'd probably need to trade out/receive fair compensation for: Cameron, WHE and Henry at the very least (and maybe Poulter). We might even consider trading out the replaced Bianco?

If Grundy stayed, he'd replace Cox, who could provide cover, or might even be tradeable if we think McStay and/or Frampton and/or Kreuger could spell Brodie - and we believe we could negotiate a fair trade for him?

Yeah, nah. Lost me at keep grundy, unless he takes a 300k pa pay cut. Cameron is fine as a ruck and Johnson has played 10 games and could be anything. The others are negotiable

 

[nahnah]

Pendles was our second best player

 

[sr36]

They really weren't and both made terrible decisions repeatedly in the last quarter when good decisions were required

 

[manicpie]

Problem is I don’t think either Daicos or Sidebottom will give up much wing time next year

Yeah, it's hard to know if Sidey will play wing next year, his tank says he could but we would be better off easing his work load as Geelong done this year with Danger and Selwood

 

[Juan Ide]

Yeah, nah. Lost me at keep grundy, unless he takes a 300k pa pay cut. Cameron is fine as a ruck and Johnson has played 10 games and could be anything. The others are negotiable

I agree Brodie needs to take a bit of a haircut, but I'm optimistic that, in the end, he will!

 

[morelli89]

If Hill wants to be a Kreuger type he'd be better off going to Essendon and hoping the Hird/Dank team get up.

Haha very good .

The hypothetical question didn’t say they had to be like for like. I prefer not to have a tall as the sub, and 4 talls in a fwd line is too many.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I agree Brodie needs to take a bit of a haircut, but I'm optimistic that, in the end, he will!

I would have assumed that if Brodie was willing to take a pay cut the size that we need him to, that probably would have happened by now no?

 

[gouki88]

In my comment I wrote the changes were from the 22 that faced Geelong where Bianco is already out for Adams.

Missed that, ta. I’m frightened of Adams’ increasing propensity for soft tissue injuries

 

[KillerMagpies]

I would like to see Beau play wing next year, his run and carry when he actually does do it, is first class. I think Hill is a better option as a small forward

Yes.