List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Apex36]

It is ludicrous to play the homesick card in trying to justify a trade request from a Melbourne club to Geelong. What’s next, a young Geelong player requesting a trade to Hawthorn because his family lives in Rowville and he wants to live at home with his parents? Henry’s management has really badly advised him, Geelong don’t have suitable trade currency and don’t appear that interested in him to make it happen as other player and pick trades are more important to them. Rather embarrassing for him.

Of course they do, they have more than suitable currency to get a deal done, they just want to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[stormskye]

geel driving on the way to pick up the car (Henry) they want from us with $ (their future first) On the way they see another nice shiny new car (Bowes & pick7), they impulse buy this (future second) , then arrive at our house and offfer us a lot less than what our car is worth because they’ve overspent. We aren’t discounting because you’ve overspent! It’s that simple! Get your Amex out Catters.

 

[Everybody Panic]

It is ludicrous to play the homesick card in trying to justify a trade request from a Melbourne club to Geelong. What’s next, a young Geelong player requesting a trade to Hawthorn because his family lives in Rowville and he wants to live at home with his parents? Henry’s management has really badly advised him, Geelong don’t have suitable trade currency and don’t appear that interested in him to make it happen as other player and pick trades are more important to them. Rather embarrassing for him.

When did his management say he is homesick? I've heard environment and opportunity to play in diff environment with his brother. Also, as a country person who has lived in the city (I prefer the city), you have no idea if you think that there's no difference apart from an hours drive.
It's not embarrassing to want to play for a diff club. It is embarrassing to continually insult someone because they don't want to play for your footy club though.

 

[Everybody Panic]

For a club that doesn’t rate this draft (apparently there are many) it’s an opportunity at a first round talent that has AFL development and match winning performances under his belt already. Worst case scenario is they lose him after a year but get a high pick in what’s looking to be a stronger draft.

Potentially, but your also passing up the chance to pick a top rated junior for a player who just doesn't want to be there. There's no guarantee that his value will increase either. I think we will do a deal though with 25 plus something. Maybe linked to a Fiorini deal.

 

[Jafo]

Please stop the go home factor, it's juvenile,
In two years time he might actually grow up and the ship to Geelong would have sailed.

It’s not my “go home” factor.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

geel driving on the way to pick up the car (Henry) they want from us with $ (their future first) On the way they see another nice shiny new car (Bowes & pick7), they impulse buy this (future second) , then arrive at our house and offfer us a lot less than what our car is worth because they’ve overspent. We aren’t discounting because you’ve overspent! It’s that simple! Get your Amex out Catters.

Tsk tsk problem is they pay currency in paper bags,
In Mackies case money laundering accounts in tax havens in Vanuatu.
Which swings and roundabouts comes in paper bags.

 

[danielnajdek]

Watch us overpay for Fiorini and see Geelong get 7 back for taking Bowes.

Fiorini is also unwanted in that team and on 600k a year.

There was talk at one stage that we’d get a pick for taking on his contract. Now it’s apparently swap picks.

 

[Jafo]

If Dees are offering 27 for Grundy (albeit we’re shopping him) and pick 25 is in the mix from Cats for Henry.

In comparison of both players (with me ranking Grundy currently the better by far) you’d say Grundy is way unders or Henry is quite good.

Still would like more for either imo.

 

[Hvashera2]

Hey Hvashera2,

I suspect you are a Geelong Mole.

No respectful Collingwood supporter would agree to trade Henry for pick 25.

hardly - to be fair I do live in Geelong but have also managed to get myself kicked out of the Geelong BF board.
I'm just being pragmatic not one-eyed.

 

[neilk]

Tsk tsk problem is they pay currency in paper bags,
In Mackies case money laundering accounts in tax havens in Vanuatu.
Which swings and roundabouts comes in paper bags.

What is all this money laundering stuff? Are there any news articles relating to this?

 

[ExcitementMachine]

What is all this money laundering stuff? Are there any news articles relating to this?

I'll pm you

 

[Crazy Tails]

Of course they do, they have more than suitable currency to get a deal done, they just want to have their cake and eat it too.

This is the problem at the moment with a few clubs. The Port situation is another case in point. They could easily have the currency to get JHF in but they refuse to trade a half decent player out. It is a bit robbing Peter to pay Paul but they need to decide if they are a better team with JHF in or Xavier Duursma type out. Can't keep both and get it done. If you are unwilling to take that player or draft pick hit then they shouldn't start pursuing them in the first place!

Cats could also easily satisfy us if they split pick 7. But they don't want to as they want Clark. It's Clark or Henry not both. Good luck to them if they manage it but would be a lot easier if they picked one path and moved on.

 

[Apex36]

Potentially, but your also passing up the chance to pick a top rated junior for a player who just doesn't want to be there. There's no guarantee that his value will increase either. I think we will do a deal though with 25 plus something. Maybe linked to a Fiorini deal.

I don’t think we do the deal for less than a first. I trust Wright as a negotiator enough that I believe he’ll stick to his guns.

 

[jonbe54]

This is the problem at the moment with a few clubs. The Port situation is another case in point. They could easily have the currency to get JHF in but they refuse to trade a half decent player out. It is a bit robbing Peter to pay Paul but they need to decide if they are a better team with JHF in or Xavier Duursma type out. Can't keep both and get it done. If you are unwilling to take that player or draft pick hit then they shouldn't start pursuing them in the first place!

Cats could also easily satisfy us if they split pick 7. But they don't want to as they want Clark. It's Clark or Henry not both. Good luck to them if they manage it but would be a lot easier if they picked one path and moved on.

They don't want it easy they want it cheap.

 

[Everybody Panic]

This is the problem at the moment with a few clubs. The Port situation is another case in point. They could easily have the currency to get JHF in but they refuse to trade a half decent player out. It is a bit robbing Peter to pay Paul but they need to decide if they are a better team with JHF in or Xavier Duursma type out. Can't keep both and get it done. If you are unwilling to take that player or draft pick hit then they shouldn't start pursuing them in the first place!

Cats could also easily satisfy us if they split pick 7. But they don't want to as they want Clark. It's Clark or Henry not both. Good luck to them if they manage it but would be a lot easier if they picked one path and moved on.

I don't think they will split 7. But this is not the problem of clubs. It's the problem of trade week. It goes for so long that the posturing lags. There's no urgency to get things done yet. But the clicks man, seeing how angry people are in here, you can bet your last dollar that the media is getting great click and advertising stats right now. If I was trying to sell some tyres tomorrow I'd go with "Cats and Pies miles away from Henry deal" tomorrow and then just regurgitate the same stuff. Easy money.

 

[stormskye]

If Dees are offering 27 for Grundy (albeit we’re shopping him) and pick 25 is in the mix from Cats for Henry.

In comparison of both players (with me ranking Grundy currently the better by far) you’d say Grundy is way unders or Henry is quite good.

Still would like more for either imo.

Grundy is a senior player who’s a salary dump, Henry is a future talent who we want to keep. Couldn’t be more different situations

 

[Matt_352]

It is ludicrous to play the homesick card in trying to justify a trade request from a Melbourne club to Geelong. What’s next, a young Geelong player requesting a trade to Hawthorn because his family lives in Rowville and he wants to live at home with his parents? Henry’s management has really badly advised him, Geelong don’t have suitable trade currency and don’t appear that interested in him to make it happen as other player and pick trades are more important to them. Rather embarrassing for him.

The will have suitable trade currency when they get Pick 7

 

[ThanksRossy]

Fingers crossed we land both Fiorini and Mitchell. The latter could end up being the biggest steal and difference maker next year. Frampton seems a given.
Let’s go!

 

[manicpie]

It looks like it will have to a choice between Clarke and Henry so it doesn';t look good for Henry

 

[Matt_352]

Fingers crossed we land both Fiorini and Mitchell. The latter could end up being the biggest steal and difference maker next year. Frampton seems a given.
Let’s go!

Mitchell and McStay has a big Ball/Jolly sense to me. Add in Hill on top of that. Tasty.

 

[Jafo]

Grundy is a senior player who’s a salary dump, Henry is a future talent who we want to keep. Couldn’t be more different situations

Agree with you. Just find interesting picks vs players at this juncture of their footy careers and how we the public perceive them (picks and players).

 

[Matt_352]

It looks like it will have to a choice between Clarke and Henry so it doesn';t look good for Henry

Nek minnit Clarke taken prior to Pick 7

 

[manicpie]

Nek minnit Clarke taken prior to Pick 7

It's a big chance that he will he will go before 7, that would just make my year

 

[Jen2310]

the ones that concern us:

Brodie Grundy​

Collingwood has targeted a top-25 pick for Grundy, with Melbourne swapping its way into pick No.27. The Pies appear likely to wait and see if the Demons get any more selections in for Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

22

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

's expected trade to Fremantle, but the Demons' pick No.27 is on the table. Grundy has five years to go on his contract at Collingwood, with the Magpies to pay a portion of his remaining years as he combines with Max Gawn

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Max Gawn

Age

32

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

at Melbourne.

Ollie Henry​

Geelong is expected to put forward pick No.25, received in a lopsided trade with Brisbane on Friday, to land the uncontracted Henry. It comes after an initial offer of pick No.38 was instantly rejected by Collingwood officials, who have tabled the young forward a deal to remain at the club while other mooted deals haven't been agreed upon. The Pies had been keen to land a first-round selection for Henry, though the Cats have already used pick No.18 to secure Tanner Bruhn and traded their future second-round selection in the aforementioned swap with the Lions. It means they won't be able to trade a future first-round selection, unless granted a special exemption by the AFL.

Tom Mitchell​

A play to get Mitchell to Collingwood is likely to be thrashed out later in the window, given the club's business elsewhere. The prolific Hawthorn ball-winner is keen to continue his career at a third club having been pushed out of Sam Mitchell's midfield group this year, despite having one season to run on his contract with the Hawks. Don't expect the Pies to cough up much to secure a deal. Currently, they have picks No.16, 41, 50 and 51.

Brayden Fiorini​

Collingwood is keen on Fiorini and taking the remaining season of his back-ended contract for little cost. Held to just 29 games over the last three years with Gold Coast, the midfielder is looking for more opportunities and could find them under Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

Age

50

Ht

176cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

. The player's manager, Dave Trotter, said last week that it was likely a deal for Fiorini could go late in the window. But expect the two clubs to swap later picks to strike a trade for the 25-year-old.

Billy Frampton​

Collingwood has long been focused on nabbing the uncontracted Frampton from Adelaide to provide key-position depth in its backline. However, talks have stalled somewhat on an asking price. The Crows are keen on future selections settling the score for the 200cm defender, but the Pies have so far only offered picks No.50 and 51. If the Pies can find a club willing to take those selections in exchange for a future pick, expect a deal to be accepted quickly.

State of play: Where the major deals stand ahead of huge week

More than 20 players are still a chance to switch clubs in the final days of the Continental Tyres Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

 

[Prexm]

Looking at this years draft. We currently have picks 16 41 50 51
41 you would think would be the Mitchell pick especially given it will come in with the F/S bids
Bring in 27 for Grundy and hopefully a bit more which probably aim to get back into 2nd round of next years draft.
51 for Frampton , should be take it or leave it as they will want to delist him anyway if they can’t find list spots.
50 may be improved slightly to 45 if we get Fiorini
Go to the draft with 16 27 and 45 which will come into a pick about 40. The last pick can be a decide on the night whether we use or trade it. If we trade it then just bring a 6th rookie in later.
Given we will only take 3 picks maximum you would think we only improve our Draft position about 15 picks and lose Henry if we trade him for 25 , not worth it . has to be either pick 16-7 upgrade or future first to consider.