List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

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I reckon we get the Hayes ruckman, Ben McKay and Fiorini. We then turn Ben into a fwd, will that work? f**k knows! Worth a try. I have a gut feeling about Fiorini. Thoughts?
Aren't we also mandated to draft 3 players (or elevate equivalent from Rookie)?

If so, we'd need to delist / trade out 6
 
Pretty good user Parish.
Last Anzac Day I was sitting near some Essendon supporters and they were constantly bagging Parrish as a very poor disposer, and doing nothing constructive with his possessions. A bit like we used to think about Tom Mitchell.
 
Last Anzac Day I was sitting near some Essendon supporters and they were constantly bagging Parrish as a very poor disposer, and doing nothing constructive with his possessions. A bit like we used to think about Tom Mitchell.
I personally still do. The key for me is that we need that accumulator (Brayshaw, Neale, Parish, Treloar and Prestia) type in our mix because Naicos aside all of our mids are “low” possession high impact. Ball retention is a key component in defending and we missed that in 2022.
 

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Aren't we also mandated to draft 3 players (or elevate equivalent from Rookie)?

If so, we'd need to delist / trade out 6
Yes, maybe we'll be culling more than 3 this year, injury prone players as well as a retiree and underperforming players as well. Haven't looked at who is vulnerable and out of contract as they don't update the lists properly on zerohanger.
 
Old mate changed his mind in the end and decided Dean had ostoposisosus.

Did you go to Hollywood Upstairs Medical School too?
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Yes, maybe we'll be culling more than 3 this year, injury prone players as well as a retiree and underperforming players as well. Haven't looked at who is vulnerable and out of contract as they don't update the lists properly on zerohanger.
Other than sidebottom (2024 his contract ends)
 
Yes, maybe we'll be culling more than 3 this year, injury prone players as well as a retiree and underperforming players as well. Haven't looked at who is vulnerable and out of contract as they don't update the lists properly on zerohanger.

Out of contract players in 2023:
  1. Aiden Begg
  2. Arlo Draper
  3. Ash Johnson
  4. Cooper Murley
  5. Harvey Harrison
  6. Jeremy Howe
  7. John Noble
  8. Mason Cox
  9. Oleg Markov
  10. Oscar Steene
  11. Scott Pendlebury
  12. Trent Bianco
  13. Trey Ruscoe
  14. Will Kelly
Before the season starts, you could just about say everyone on this list is vulnerable through delisting or retirement besides John Noble and Ash Johnson.
 
Aren't we also mandated to draft 3 players (or elevate equivalent from Rookie)?

If so, we'd need to delist / trade out 6
Yes. You can re-draft and get around it but it's so messy.

If we're cutting six, then you'd be assuming a retirement and then Murley plus a few others go. Even Trenna could be vulnerable.
 
Yes. You can re-draft and get around it but it's so messy.

If we're cutting six, then you'd be assuming a retirement and then Murley plus a few others go. Even Trenna could be vulnerable.
I’m hoping that we don’t have to cut that hard
 

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I don't think we'll go very hard at trade/FA this year, given we did that last year. Unless there is someone they really want, think we'll just go to the standard 3 at the draft.
Depending how this years pans out performance wise potentially, I would go hard for the right player…there is nobody obvious so potentially you trade picks for what you need.

I don’t think we went hard last year, picked players to play a role. There was not much competition for the players we went for to necessitate us going hard.
 
I don't think we'll go very hard at trade/FA this year, given we did that last year. Unless there is someone they really want, think we'll just go to the standard 3 at the draft.
Kind of agree but listening to Hine after night 2 of the draft just gone he mentioned the importance of the trade w Carlton that allowed us to bring in 2nd rounder to give us flexibility to trade
 
Kind of agree but listening to Hine after night 2 of the draft just gone he mentioned the importance of the trade w Carlton that allowed us to bring in 2nd rounder to give us flexibility to trade
Yeah, to trade. That could mean a number of things. Just to give flexibility in general, whether it would be at the trade table, or just to try trade upwards in the draft given the quality its meant to be. Its always good to have a 2nd rounder in any case, so there is not that gap we had prior.
 
Out of contract players in 2023:
  1. Aiden Begg
  2. Arlo Draper
  3. Ash Johnson
  4. Cooper Murley
  5. Harvey Harrison
  6. Jeremy Howe
  7. John Noble
  8. Mason Cox
  9. Oleg Markov
  10. Oscar Steene
  11. Scott Pendlebury
  12. Trent Bianco
  13. Trey Ruscoe
  14. Will Kelly
Before the season starts, you could just about say everyone on this list is vulnerable through delisting or retirement besides John Noble and Ash Johnson.

You can safely add Draper to that "safe" list with Noble I think as we rate him highly, he could be anything and has only just turned 20. Cox may also be ok, still only 32 this year so if his body and form holds up then there's no reason to think he wouldn't be back next year even at age 33, hopefully more as depth at that point but still a useful backup to have.

I don't think Johnson could consider himself "safe" at the moment, as the competition between himself, Kreuger and now apparently Reef as well will be fairly intense I suspect this year.

The rest of the "depth" players are fighting for spots and need to make their mark this year to some degree, as 3 or 4 are likely to go along with possible Pendles and Howe retirements. Personally I'm seeing more "quality over quantity" with our off-season additions later this year given how thin the FA market is looking now, so I'm not anticipating a larger number of delisted players.
 
I don't think we'll go very hard at trade/FA this year, given we did that last year. Unless there is someone they really want, think we'll just go to the standard 3 at the draft.

I think we'll target someone in trade. Free agency if McKay is a chance. I don't see the point in clearing the deck with Grundy if we aren't positioning ourselves for this.
 
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The screwed us on Lynch, so hopefully weve learnt. Big guys returning from ACLs always worries me. Perhaps we could get him cheap as this year he'll be working his way back to form id say
I wouldn't go near a big man that's already been under the knife. Mainly because he'd cost us plenty and high risk.
 
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