List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[Jen2310]

Lycett? No thanks.

Port Adelaide, Collingwood linked to rival ruckmen: AFL trade news

The ruck merry-go-round could be in motion once again.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Lycett? No thanks.

Port Adelaide, Collingwood linked to rival ruckmen: AFL trade news

The ruck merry-go-round could be in motion once again.

www.zerohanger.com

Murmurs as if we'd go for an injured 31 year old ruck.

 

[TradeDraft]

So far been a bit quiet on trade targets, this time last year everyone knew we were into Mcstay and it was basically done. That was a fun few months around here haha

Maybe from August rumours will start to sprinkle out.

I don't really take any Serious about Rumors until pretty much end of the Regular Season

 

[TradeDraft]

Lycett? No thanks.

Port Adelaide, Collingwood linked to rival ruckmen: AFL trade news

The ruck merry-go-round could be in motion once again.

www.zerohanger.com

Big Reason why the Eagles won the Flag in 2018

 

[TradeDraft]

Murmurs as if we'd go for an injured 31 year old ruck.

Just Guess work it sounds like

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Just Guess work it sounds like

It's probably the most silly rumour I've heard. We're developing Steene & Begg. We won games & stayed on top of the ladder using Frampton & AJ as rucks whilst Cox & Cameron were injured. We clearly don't need an ageing ruckman.

 

[Jen2310]

Big Reason why the Eagles won the Flag in 2018

Anoher reason to tell him GTFO lol

 

[No SPIN]

“One of our competitors” is not North.

“One of our competitors” is a team like Brisbane or Port.

For example (hypothetical), we might find that we don’t play GWS in the second half of the season, but Port and Brisbane play GWS three times between them. Wouldn’t it be smart of us to support GWS at the mid season trade table to help our Premiership campaign?

And if it’s smart of us, wouldn’t it be smart of Port, Brisbane and other contenders to do the same thing? (The difference being that the club at the top of the tree, like we currently are, are more likely to be the target)

So let’s think about this a little more clearly.
If this strategy is so important, then logically the Top team would settle for LESS in trading the superfluous player - to ensure the plan is implemented.
Alternatively, the lower team understanding the plan, drives a hard bargain, asking for a BETTER player than that offered.

Either way the Top team loses out, particularly as there is no guarantee the strategy works.
That’s why the idea makes little sense to me.

 

[Reg Brundy]

Bailey Williams from the Dogs is RFA, 25 years old and getting better numbers than anyone else I've heard us linked to, be a jet out of that backline with our gameplan and free up the chosen one to move to midfield permanently.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

Bailey Williams from the Dogs is RFA, 25 years old and getting better numbers than anyone else I've heard us linked to, be a jet out of that backline with our gameplan and free up the chosen one to move to midfield permanently.

Unless the offer was stupid the Doggies will 100% match for him.

 

[Apex36]

Big Reason why the Eagles won the Flag in 2018

Which has absolutely no bearing on his worth in 2023.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Which has absolutely no bearing on his worth in 2023.

If anything it's a bigger reason why we don't want him anywhere near our club.

 

[76woodenspooners]

So let’s think about this a little more clearly.
If this strategy is so important, then logically the Top team would settle for LESS in trading the superfluous player - to ensure the plan is implemented.
Alternatively, the lower team understanding the plan, drives a hard bargain, asking for a BETTER player than that offered.

Either way the Top team loses out, particularly as there is no guarantee the strategy works.
That’s why the idea makes little sense to me.

As in the lower team says “You’re offering us Ruscoe, how about you offer us Quaynor instead?

The answer would be “No”.

Already clubs are careful about who they do and don’t trade with - surely a mid-season trade period would be even more so?

 

[No SPIN]

As in the lower team says “You’re offering us Ruscoe, how about you offer us Quaynor instead?

The answer would be “No”.

Already clubs are careful about who they do and don’t trade with - surely a mid-season trade period would be even more so?

My point exactly - so the motivation to screw another Club has a limit, that the lower club will exploit to drive a very hard bargain.
They’re definitely not accepting the earlier offers.
Which may not have been the case at seasons end, when the Top Club’s desperation was absent.

 

[Reg Brundy]

Unless the offer was stupid the Doggies will 100% match for him.

Is that the case with all the decent RFA's?

 

[76woodenspooners]

My point exactly - so the motivation to screw another Club has a limit, that the lower club will exploit to drive a very hard bargain.
They’re definitely not accepting the earlier offers.
Which may not have been the case at seasons end, when the Top Club’s desperation was absent.

Surely a trade simply needs to make both sides better? (Which is why it’s generally a good idea to understand a transaction from the counterparty’s POV)

So why would driving a bargain any harder than that be met with anything other than a polite “No” answer? (Unless we’re dealing with Adrian Dodoro, which IIRC we don’t. Happy to be corrected on that)

 

[live fast pieyoung]

We should trade for Dom Sheed and then refuse to give him a game ever again

 

[VinnieB]

Could we trade for Gold Coast's pick 7? They have a few academy kids they need to stockpile picks for. What about our first and the pick we get from Carlton?
Or throw in a player looking for more opportunities?

 

[TakingThePies]

Who is it concerning for? I personally find it a bit concerning that we’re offering a guy like AJ 3 years. I can see the reasoning for his retention and I’m on board with that, but that’s some generous tenure for a guy as flaky as AJ currently is. Him taking time to consider it probably hints at there being another suitor out there. Personally I’d be going with a slightly reduced offer compared to what we had in front of Henry.

Its how much Fly rates him, GW same.

 

[TakingThePies]

Who would we be after from Adelaide?

Not worried about Ben McKay.

Draft capital really

 

[sr36]

Wish they'd get moving with our contracts lol

Whose out of contract at the end of the year? Are there one's you're sweating on?

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Whose out of contract at the end of the year? Are there one's you're sweating on?

I heard Chris Grant on sen today say the Dogs have 18 players out of contract at the end of the year...!

We'd only have a couple wouldn't we?

 

[Jen2310]

Whose out of contract at the end of the year? Are there one's you're sweating on?

Nobody sweating on persay but I’d like to hear some announcements at some point


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[No SPIN]

Surely a trade simply needs to make both sides better? (Which is why it’s generally a good idea to understand a transaction from the counterparty’s POV)

So why would driving a bargain any harder than that be met with anything other than a polite “No” answer? (Unless we’re dealing with Adrian Dodoro, which IIRC we don’t. Happy to be corrected on that)

In your scenario only the bottom side gets better - by recruiting a player.

The Top team only has the HOPE that their agenda is delivered, which is a completely uncertain outcome, but nonetheless fueled by desperation (otherwise why embark on such a risky strategy).

It’s a very big and exploitable opportunity for a lower club.

That’s why it just won’t happen- no Top team will try the tactic you’re suggesting.

Any way I think we’ve done the topic to death, I’ve got nothing more to add.

 

[Reg Brundy]

I heard Chris Grant on sen today say the Dogs have 18 players out of contract at the end of the year...!

We'd only have a couple wouldn't we?

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