List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[jmac70]

One thing to consider about potential recruits is running will probably be a consistent theme. Max Holmes is a strong runner. So, to filter out the lies from the truth, if they can't run, they're either tall, Pendlebury or Fly sees something in them. Someone like Bianco, who frequently gets referred to as a bad runner, was in our top 10 at the time trial, so he's got endurance, which is as important as speed. Not everyone is going to be a sprinter with endurance - we're simply not all built like that.

So, anyone we recruit needs to be able to either run fast or for a long time. Is that the gist?

 

[KinderSmock]

So, anyone we recruit needs to be able to either run fast or for a long time. Is that the gist?

Essentially. Or offer something else in its absence. Eg. Mitchell has leadership.

Would be interesting to see the running times of Frampton relative to other talls.

 

[Bianconeri]

Essentially. Or offer something else in its absence. Eg. Mitchell has leadership.

Would be interesting to see the running times of Frampton relative to other talls.

I could be wrong but I think one of the reasons Mitchell racks up the ball so much consistently is because he’s a good runner.

 

[partypie]

They’re 8 years apart in age! If that’s a generational difference Pendles must be a dinosaur…

I don't know if you missed the memo or something, but millenials (and Gen X'ers) simply don't understand the struggle for Gen Z living in today's brutal, uncaring world.

p.s. Not a personal opinion, this is something that is widely "known" and talked / written about by said Gen Z protagonists.

 

[Scodog10]

I don't know if you missed the memo or something, but millenials (and Gen X'ers) simply don't understand the struggle for Gen Z living in today's brutal, uncaring world.

p.s. Not a personal opinion, this is something that is widely "known" and talked / written about by said Gen Z protagonists.

Dig up mate dig up haha.

 

[jmac70]

I don't know if you missed the memo or something, but millenials (and Gen X'ers) simply don't understand the struggle for Gen Z living in today's brutal, uncaring world.

p.s. Not a personal opinion, this is something that is widely "known" and talked / written about by said Gen Z protagonists.

I don’t understand.

 

[Reg Brundy]

So, anyone we recruit needs to be able to either run fast or for a long time. Is that the gist?

That's what made Forrest Gump so great, blindingly quick on the 100 yard touchdowns and warms down with a 3 year jog.

 

[jmac70]

That's what made Forrest Gump so great, blindingly quick on the 100 yard touchdowns and warms down with a 3 year jog.

Run Forrest run…

 

[Jen2310]

Pretty sure McLean is or has re-signed, but nothing too exciting here.

Collingwood had a busy trade period at the end of the 2022 season, picking up Brownlow medallist Tom Mitchell, small forward Bobby Hill, forward and ruck option Dan McStay and the versatile Billy Frampton, who has been one of the value-for-money recruits of the season.

After such an aggressive trade period, it is unlikely Collingwood will attack hard again this year, with list guru Derek Hine noting on Gettable they would look for "one or two new additions."

In this part of our club-by-club AFL trade targets series, we've taken a look at the potential off-contract players Collingwood could look to lure to the AIA Centre.

Adam Tomlinson​

Tomlinson hasn't had the impact he would've hoped for since crossing to Melbourne from GWS, playing just 33 games across four seasons. Instead, the Demons have favoured Steven May, Jake Lever and Harrison Petty for their backline.

Tomlinson was open to moving clubs during last year's trade period, with Melbourne's list manager Tim Lamb openly expressing that he would be happy to facilitate a move for Tomlinson to receive more opportunities.

A key defender, Tomlinson is another who would be able to complement the likes of Moore and Murphy in defence. He has a strong presence in the VFL, often ranking as one of the best players on the ground, and was also an integral part of the Casey Demons team which won the 2022 VFL Premiership.

When he has played this season, Tomlinson has averaged 15.2 disposals, 1.6 tackles and one intercept mark. Tomlinson showed what he can do when he's playing his best footy across the 2017-2019 seasons at GWS.

After 11 seasons in the AFL, could he cross to Collingwood to reignite his career?

Flynn Perez​

Perez's career has been heavily impacted by injury, suffering an ACL rupture in his first year and being placed on the inactive list in 2021 after a second ACL rupture.

Perez featured in 16 games in 2022 after recovering from his injury, but has failed to play at the same level this year, having managed just two games for the season in the blue and white.

Across his 21 games, Perez has shown glimpses of his ability to perform at the highest level, averaging 12.4 disposals and 3.1 marks in 2022 as a rebounding defender.

Perez's dash off half-back would free up Isaac Quaynor for more one-on-one contests and allow Nick Daicos to occupy a permanent midfield position. Perez could be another one looking to explore more opportunities elsewhere.

Cameron Fleeton​

Fleeton is a largely untried medium/tall defender, having only debuted this season in Round 9 after being picked up by GWS in the 2020 AFL Draft. Originally from Geelong, having been recruited from Geelong West Giants, Fleeton may want to return home to Victoria to seek further opportunities.

Fleeton had a quiet debut, accumulating six disposals, three tackles and a mark. He saw more of the ball the following week against St Kilda, finishing with 11 disposals, two marks and two tackles.

Collingwood don't have many other young defenders on their list, with Charlie Dean currently on the inactive list following a second year at the Magpies which has been ruined by injury.

Fleeton proves as a cheaper option for Collingwood who will only get better with time, and he might not ming a move to the club he grew up following.

Hayden McLean​

Hayden McLean is a priority re-signing for the Sydney Swans, given the previous interest he has attracted from rival clubs. After only featuring for the Swans in Rounds 1-8 last season, McLean received the call-up for the Grand Final to replace Logan McDonald.

Since being called up in the Grand Final, McLean has cemented his spot in the Swans' forward line, playing 13 games for the year up forward.

With Collingwood currently facing selection dilemmas up forward, even this weekend as Brody Mihocek is out injured, no doubt they would want a player like McLean in their team to complement the likes of Bobby Hill and Jamie Elliott.
As Mason Cox gets older and Ash Johnson attracts rival interest, McLean would be a valuable pickup for the Magpies as a key forward. He could also be used as a backup ruck alongside Darcy Cameron.

Brandon Zerk-Thatcher​

After six seasons on Essendon's list, Zerk-Thatcher is finally putting together his strongest season to date, having only missed one game since Round 16, 2022.

Standing at 195cm, he is a key defender who would slot into Collingwood's backline alongside Darcy Moore and Nathan Murphy, allowing players such as Billy Frampton to be used up forward if required.

Zerk-Thatcher is uncontracted for 2024 as a free agent, so a move to Collingwood could be possible, but it seems unlikely given how crucial he has become to Essendon's backline and the consistency that he is building under new coach Brad Scott.

Five trade targets for every AFL club: Collingwood

A Fringe Demon, GWS defender and Swans forward make the list of potential off-season targets for Collingwood.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Chameleon75]

I don't know if you missed the memo or something, but millenials (and Gen X'ers) simply don't understand the struggle for Gen Z living in today's brutal, uncaring world.

p.s. Not a personal opinion, this is something that is widely "known" and talked / written about by said Gen Z protagonists.

it wasn’t that long ago that gen x was the worst, every generation has its turn at being the worst according to the previous generation envious of youth.

 

[Woodsfor]

Pretty sure McLean is or has re-signed, but nothing too exciting here.

Five trade targets for every AFL club: Collingwood

A Fringe Demon, GWS defender and Swans forward make the list of potential off-season targets for Collingwood.

www.zerohanger.com

Not much in that 5 surly they could have come up with someone that would actually get a game

 

[jmac70]

it wasn’t that long ago that gen x was the worst, every generation has its turn at being the worst according to the previous generation envious of youth.

Gen X rocks!
Wish I could go back to 83…

 

[sr36]

So, anyone we recruit needs to be able to either run fast or for a long time. Is that the gist?

Talls and inside mids less so, but we're unlikely to recruit flankers who can't run

 

[Reg Brundy]

Duggan is UFA 2024 if you wanted to replace Nick moving to the midfield, only 26 years old and averaging a lazy 23 disposals, 8 marks and 3 tackles. You can't afford him in fantasy football but we'd get him for nothing.

 

[Jasper84]

Jhye Clark is a Collingwood tragic.

Can we trust someone who was named after their cat walked across the keyboard?

 

[jmac70]

Can we trust someone who was named after their cat walked across the keyboard?

My kitten loves it when I’m on the laptop.

 

[Professor Knowall]

it wasn’t that long ago that gen x was the worst, every generation has its turn at being the worst according to the previous generation envious of youth.

It’s been that way for a while apparently - at least 2,000 years it seems -

“Our parents, worse than our grandparents, gave birth to us who are worse than they, and we shall in our turn bear offspring still more evil.” — Quintus Horatius Flaccus (commonly known as Horus), latin poet in Augustun era, lived 65 BC – 8 BC.

 

[Scodog10]

Not much in that 5 surly they could have come up with someone that would actually get a game

It was pretty bloody uninspiring wasn’t it compared to what we did last offseason. The only observations I’d make are McLean’s development has been significant this year and I’m not as confident there’s nothing in the Lycett one. **** knows why we’d have an interest in an injury prone 30+ bog average ruck with the options we already have on the list, but the way it was presented suggested to me there’s smoke there.

 

[Bianconeri]

It was pretty bloody uninspiring wasn’t it compared to what we did last offseason. The only observations I’d make are McLean’s development has been significant this year and I’m not as confident there’s nothing in the Lycett one. * knows why we’d have an interest in an injury prone 30+ bog average ruck with the options we already have on the list, but the way it was presented suggested to me there’s smoke there.

I assume the club want a ready made ruck to avoid the situation we had at the start of the happening again and Lycett is the one deemed the best fit to our structure that available.

 

[Scodog10]

I assume the club want a ready made ruck to avoid the situation we had at the start of the happening again and Lycett is the one deemed the best fit to our structure that available.

Might as well delist Begg if he isn’t that player next year and Frampton while we’re at it. Pro scouting is to improve your list not sideways and backwards two steps.

 

[Bianconeri]

Might as well delist Begg if he isn’t that player next year and Frampton while we’re at it. Pro scouting is to improve your list not sideways and backwards two steps.

I have no issues in Begg getting the chop.
I assume we’ll want to use Frampton in defence next season so he can’t be beholden as ruck cover.

 

[Jasper84]

Gone Critical I'm interested in whether your thoughts on gunning for high picks and trades have changed since the start of the season. The team that smashed GC had only 3 players that we used top 10 picks on, only 2 that were used top 20 picks on, 2 players that failed at multiple clubs prior, a mid season draft pick, a cat B American, a rookie and a player known as the best steak knives ever.

Over 3/4's of the side were either drafted or traded with picks outside of the first round.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

It was pretty bloody uninspiring wasn’t it compared to what we did last offseason. The only observations I’d make are McLean’s development has been significant this year and I’m not as confident there’s nothing in the Lycett one. * knows why we’d have an interest in an injury prone 30+ bog average ruck with the options we already have on the list, but the way it was presented suggested to me there’s smoke there.

Just on last season.

My view is that we absolutely lucked out rather than 100% astute planning and management.

Heading into trade period....targets were Hill (win), Frampton (win) and McStay (2 games in the role he was targeted for, so that's a fail to date).

2 days left in trade period we were losing Henry for massive unders.
Then Mitchell bobs up....which we really had no choice but to accept as it was better than the previous offer.

Then when we did have a choice, we chose Steene over Markov.
If Dean does his foot 24 hours later than he did, we miss Markov (who i reckon would be out of the Blues after one year based on their system).

So 2/4 playing on the weekend were more fate and right place right time rather than identified and pursued talent.

Hence why the expectation of us doing what we did last year needs to be significantly tempered IMO.

 

[sr36]

It was pretty bloody uninspiring wasn’t it compared to what we did last offseason. The only observations I’d make are McLean’s development has been significant this year and I’m not as confident there’s nothing in the Lycett one. * knows why we’d have an interest in an injury prone 30+ bog average ruck with the options we already have on the list, but the way it was presented suggested to me there’s smoke there.

Much harder this year, at this stage there's no obvious holes to fill.

I wouldn't be that surprised if we were talking to Lycetts manager in case ruck gets exposed as a weakness in the finals.

 

[brysie]

Just on last season.

My view is that we absolutely lucked out rather than 100% astute planning and management.

Heading into trade period....targets were Hill (win), Frampton (win) and McStay (2 games in the role he was targeted for, so that's a fail to date).

2 days left in trade period we were losing Henry for massive unders.
Then Mitchell bobs up....which we really had no choice but to accept as it was better than the previous offer.

Then when we did have a choice, we chose Steene over Markov.
If Dean does his foot 24 hours later than he did, we miss Markov (who i reckon would be out of the Blues after one year based on their system).

So 2/4 playing on the weekend were more fate and right place right time rather than identified and pursued talent.

Hence why the expectation of us doing what we did last year needs to be significantly tempered IMO.

I think your post does a great disservice to the club's list management and coaching team.

I'm not sure that McStay can, on an objective basis, be written off as a 'fail to date'. He's on a 5 year contract and hasn't played due to injury. There's still plenty of time for him to return this season and make a mark on the home and away and, hopefully, finals. Assessing his acquisition based on two thirds of a season is pretty unfair both to McStay and to the recruiting team.

With respect to Mitchell, I find it implausible to suggest that the club hadn't already done its due diligence on him, particularly given Wright's history at Hawthorn and the need to fix a glaring clearances issue. The fact that it was rolled into the Henry deal demonstrated an intelligent and flexible approach by our list management team, rather than a team who just happened to stumble on a workable solution.

The acquisition of Markov was opportunistic but again, demonstrated an intelligent, flexible and pragmatic approach. To say that the club didn't identify and pursue Markov is inaccurate; he was invited to train with us in the off-season and did so, however Steene was preferred over him.

The expectation I have is that we will be monitoring a large number of players across the league who we consider may be able to either fill holes in our list or significantly improve the current list. It will be almost impossible to get everything we want, and some players may not be available either at the right price, or at all. My other expectation is that the list management team, as well as the coaches and club as a whole, will continue to approach the trade period in a sensible, flexible and pragmatic manner, in the knowledge that there is an element of luck to these things, but that we largely control who comes and goes at the club.