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My view is that he'll be a really competitive AFL KPF if he gets over injuries. That might only be a 1 in 3 chance. But that's better odds at a cheaper trade cost than drafting a kpf. I'd offer him 2 years.
List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023
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Could easily be a premiership player in a fortnight or so.
The fact is he's out of contract and only played 1 game this year. If he chooses a club it's hardly an open market so Dogs won't be getting much back. Look at Witts for us, we knew we had a good player but he was out of contract and hadn't played a lot that year so went for a late pick.
If there's at least another club interested and that club has a higher pre-season draft pick than us, along with a lot more national draft picks, it's not getting done for our 3rd pick (currently pick 74). It MIGHT get done for pick our second round pick (tied to Carlton's position so about 35).
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40's would be more likely.
Lippa went at pick... 45? and he played like 13 games that season. This bloke has played 1.
But with all the bids from academies, any late 2nd might end up in the 40's, but clubs are hesitant to use current late picks to trade given the draft wont be that deep.
Alt is we do a future 3rd.
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Our list is in good shape and we are in the awkward position of needing to bring in some youth without any draft picks.
It would be nice to pull a Geelong and pickup a couple of young guns for nothing.
You'd think young quality mids would be our priority given that Pendles and Sidey are probably the most likely to retire soon with Howe to join them shortly thereafter.
It would be nice to pull a Geelong and pickup a couple of young guns for nothing.
You'd think young quality mids would be our priority given that Pendles and Sidey are probably the most likely to retire soon with Howe to join them shortly thereafter.
Considering the ages of Mitchell, Pendles, and Adams in our midfield, l am keeping Macrae. Also l would like to see us having an interest in Paddy Dow, to add more youth to our midfield.
Getting "cheap" pick ups like Khamis and Dow would be a good trade period for us.
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It sounds like Macrae will stay, but I don't think it's crucial that he does. If he wanted to leave for more opportunity - fair enough, no sleep lost. Yes we've got an aging midfield, but it's a long shot that Macrae will become good enough to get to the level of the mids playing finals for any of the final's teams.
I may have said it before or just thought it but I would love to see how Q would go in the middle, solution might be right there as inevitably sets in on some of the current bunch.
….I also think he should bring out his own cologne and maybe a movie or two, anyone know if he can sing?
….I also think he should bring out his own cologne and maybe a movie or two, anyone know if he can sing?
I thought Macrae looked good in the game v Essendon. He looked good with some of his handballs out of congestion to get us centre clearance and his tackling pressure was very good. I think Fly rates him, and has assured him to bide his time by working on his craft at VFL level.
Fly did say that Fin is the player he speaks to the most regarding his game, and l think alot of that talk would be reassurance of where Fly sees Macrae going forward at senior level.
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I don't disagree with that, but at the same time look at the full time mids in the teams playing finals. Is Finn looking likely to get to the level of any of them?
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Let’s wait and see how he returns this off season, but I’ll back Ginnivan in as a better 1st possession mid than Macrae as early as next year. Allan will definitely be ahead by next year barring injury. He’s already got an ability to move through traffic with the baby giraffe rig so once that fills out he’ll dominate that level and very quickly establish himself at senior level.
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I think the one thing in Finn's favour, when compared to those guys, is that if all goes well with Jordy and Nick, we need a more defensively minded mid to complement them and he'd be more suited to that.
Well the volume of work at senior level for Fin has been limited, so it's hard to say what improvement he would get by playing consistently at senior level, but you would think his game will improve, with the players around him, and his confidence grows.
It's the same argument that revolved around Dow from Carlton. I think he showed in the 10 or so games he played this year, his game was at the capability of senior footy, and is probably very unfortunate not to be playing finals for the Blouse at the moment...
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It's possible he makes a heap of progress and it's possible that he finds himself in the right place at the right time to become a full time mid in a good team. But I don't think it's particularly likely, as I think it's unlikely that he becomes as good as any of the full time mids playing finals - they're stars.
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Last night it’s Crippa or Oliver can you ever see Macrae being able to go toe to toe with them? Short term I’d rather Crisp in that role or if we went to market someone like Sparrow who curbed Cripps late.
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TheBrownDog
I agree totally. I don't like his chances. It's just that post Pendles the immediate thing we'll need to add to the team is a more defensively minded mid at centre bounce who tries to protect against blokes bursting out the front of the pack. I don't think that bloke is on our list yet.
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It’s a tough one because they take time to develop. You won’t get a Libba, Rowbottom, Drew, Atkins or Rowell out of their current club so you’ve got to either speculate, re-tool or be patient.
FWIW it would be awesome if it was Macrae and Rd 23 offered a glimmer of hope, but I’m not sure he pushes past Mitchell quickly enough and even if he does his sample size of one was against probably the least finals ready midfield in the league.
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Deven Robertson from the Lions is a defensive mid but if we are looking to give up no draft capital I think if Jackson Hately gets delisted at the crows he might be worth a crack, even if he is a train on during the preseason. He is a Collingwood supporter and a big body who could be used as a tagger. Check out his highlights on youtube.
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I haven't been watching other teams closely enough to know how a few them play, but I think we're talking about a different thing. Not Libba and Rowell
I think we have the same mentality and set up as the tigers went with. Where it's about scores from stoppage, so it's about getting and stopping clean deep entries more than it's about overall clearance numbers.
Going forward, we've got the blokes to do what Martin and Prestia did- get dangerous entries. JDG and Nick are going to be one hell of a combo for the next 5 years. But it's the Cotchin/Pendles selfless back of the pack guy who reads it and tries to cover off the opposition from bursting out the front that we'll need to find. If there's someone on our list, I think it's Maynard.
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Speed, size, kicking, decision making
One of those can be improved with a strong off season. I like macrae and have always been a supporter but for him to just suddenly become capable of playing mid in a flag team is a long shot as it stands. Mids need to be elite for the most part. You’ve got to ask, with macrae playing mid, is that a flag team? It’s probably simpler to look at other mids his age in the comp playing and see how far off he is. E.g Gulden.
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