List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Jen2310]

Unless we sign a DFA it seems like we'll have to draft 4 players, as we've had 6 main list departures. So we're probably gonna trade one of our 3 2022 second rounders for a 3rd rounder this year

That was the plan. We'll be drafting 3 or 4 players, Wright said

 

[TradeDraft]

That was the plan. We'll be drafting 3 or 4 players, Wright said

At least makes the 2nd Night of the Draft worth Watching as I 1st Thought we would just Draft Dib

 

[sr36]

Lets get Dean. Exactly what we need. Key Defender. Also need a Key forward but we have more potential there. Krueger, Johnson, McMahon.

In the highlights video I saw, Dean looks a lovely kick, but he doesn't look very good in the air.

 

[mike123]

Bigfooty Collingwood supporters have an outrageously unfair perspective on John Noble, in the main.

He was drafted midseason as a hit and hope like all midseason draftees are.

He's played over 30 out of a possible 36 games. Show me another midseason pickup from any team who has been as often selected.

He's been promoted from the back pocket to the back flank and then the wing.

He's flourished in each new role to the extent that he's been encouraged to broaden his horizons.

He's been exposed, as I remember it, in one game in a way any short player could be, and Caleb Daniel has had it done to him. It was up to the coach in both circumstances to solve the problem, not the undersized player.

He is so obviously a part of our future plans and the haters need to get over this fact.

His draft number is irrelevant, no body is saying we shouldn’t have picked him up. He’s come in and offered us some value but now there are better players to develop in his position.

 

[manicmagpie]

Unless we sign a DFA it seems like we'll have to draft 4 players, as we've had 6 main list departures. So we're probably gonna trade one of our 3 2022 second rounders for a 3rd rounder this year

If Darcy is bid on first and Daicos goes at 3, we'll have plenty of picks around the 3rd round anyway.

After using our first 5 picks we'd get back pick 46 plus whatever our current picks 55 & 58 end up becoming. Even with just bids on Darcy and Daicos those last two picks will end up 7 or 8 places higher.

I'd rather we keep hold of next year's picks to give us flexibility next year.

 

[Jen2310]

At least makes the 2nd Night of the Draft worth Watching as I 1st Thought we would just Draft Dib

You never know what live trades we'll do.

 

[Harry O]

At least makes the 2nd Night of the Draft worth Watching as I 1st Thought we would just Draft Dib

they might be hoping to rookie Dib if no bids

 

[TradeDraft]

You never know what live trades we'll do.

True but I doubt we get back into as early as the 1st Round

 

[Jen2310]

True but I doubt we get back into as early as the 1st Round

yeah, I doubt it but maybe 2nd round. But I like watching the whole draft even when we arent involved.

 

[Jen2310]

In the highlights video I saw, Dean looks a lovely kick, but he doesn't look very good in the air.

Definitely would need to work on arial. Seems to do well at the contest, and spoiling, but its something that can be worked with.

 

[Harry O]

Not needed at this stage? If anything we probably need to condense two of our picks down into an earlier one, not split an earlier one up into two picks.

That is, unless you want to run the risk of North bidding at pick 1 because we only have 2000-ish points worth of eligible draft picks we can actually use to match a bid on draft day.

We don't really know what picks are needed because we don't really know what the GW masterplan is with all these picks and whether he is trying to get back in to 2nd round after the Daicos pick, or trade picks in to 2022 on the night

 

[snagbreac]

I may be in the minority but I'm hoping that we don't sign any DFAs pre draft. List spots are too tight and none of the ones left on offer (Brander, Constable etc) excite me too much for our list. With list spots so tight and the need to have at least 5 open selections to activate our required Daicos points I just can't see it happening. I would only be keen to add a player like a Naish/Woodcock via the PSD once we know what the list is looking like post National draft. I'd even be happy to turn our backs on a previously listed player come the PSD (if we have spare spots) and take the best undrafted young player there if there is one there we really like.

The only way I could see it happening pre draft is if Cox decides not to sign back on with us on whatever offer we've put to him and we are forced to delist him.

I'm not sure why Cox isn't signing instantly because no one's shown interest. Is he looking at moving back home or what?

 

[partypie]

We don't really know what picks are needed because we don't really know what the GW masterplan is with all these picks and whether he is trying to get back in to 2nd round after the Daicos pick, or trade picks in to 2022 on the night

We have to go in with 2,400 points worth of eligible picks for matching a pick 1 bid on Daicos. That's a non-negotiable I think in GW's mind so it would be what he is working towards.

After that what outcome we get will depend on where the bid comes, but given our current situation we can't afford to be splitting one of our earlier picks unless it somehow gets us to 2,400 points with those first 6 picks (a figure we're still short of for now).

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

In the highlights video I saw, Dean looks a lovely kick, but he doesn't look very good in the air.

Be happy if we could somehow trade our future first to get a Gibcus or Andrews. But I think we will have to settle for a Dean type with the picks we have.

 

[sr36]

Be happy if we could somehow trade our future first to get a Gibcus or Andrews. But I think we will have to settle for a Dean type with the picks we have.

I don't see the need for a mature age kpd. They've kept Keane and Kelly - they're no longer newbies and are at an age where they should be viewed as depth, senior or delist.

 

[snagbreac]

Be happy if we could somehow trade our future first to get a Gibcus or Andrews. But I think we will have to settle for a Dean type with the picks we have.

Our draft hand in 2022 is too vulnerable. I don't have a problem with a first and thirds - you can work with that - but you can't work with three thirds as is. Wait until we know our de Goey, Maynard and Moore situations before moving. 2022 is a critical year for our rebuild. We're not Carlton or St Kilda. Wait.

 

[partypie]

I'm not sure why Cox isn't signing instantly because no one's shown interest. Is he looking at moving back home or what?

Well he does have a fairly lucrative profession to fall back on so if we're just offering him minimum chips to play down here and he could make more $$$ as a mechanical engineer back home then it would be the smart thing for him to do, given he really doesn't have any other "ties" here anymore.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Our draft hand in 2022 is too vulnerable. I don't have a problem with a first and thirds - you can work with that - but you can't work with three thirds as is. Wait until we know our de Goey, Maynard and Moore situations before moving. 2022 is a critical year for our rebuild. We're not Carlton or St Kilda. Wait.

We would need a future 2nd just to trade our future 1st.

 

[gouki88]

Definitely would need to work on arial. Seems to do well at the contest, and spoiling, but its something that can be worked with.

It's interesting. He was (from my memory) a really solid mark up forward in his junior footy. Always took marks over me despite being years younger than me, but that might just be a reflection on myself...

I hope we pick him up. He's a good kid.

 

[snagbreac]

Think I know why we're waiting with Cox.

Well he does have a fairly lucrative profession to fall back on so if we're just offering him minimum chips to play down here and he could make more $$$ as a mechanical engineer back home then it would be the smart thing for him to do, given he really doesn't have any other "ties" here anymore.

I'm not so sure. Cox has become an Australian citizen, does a lot of work in communities, has a girlfriend here. He's openly admitted America isn't for him so I think he comes back. His life is here and an American AFL player?: life set. He can play around Australia and travel on the country circuit. He could easily play state league and get paid nicely.

I think we're waiting because of list spots and seeing how many picks we need. He's in America on holiday so I guess his manager is just picking his time.

 

[snagbreac]

It's interesting. He was (from my memory) a really solid mark up forward in his junior footy. Always took marks over me despite being years younger than me, but that might just be a reflection on myself...

I hope we pick him up. He's a good kid.

Not a terrible idea, seems okay. I think state league pearls will be our gift. Get them into AFL and performing at that top level. Hopefully, they're not Kyle Martins.

 

[partypie]

Be happy if we could somehow trade our future first to get a Gibcus or Andrews. But I think we will have to settle for a Dean type with the picks we have.

Two or more of Van Rooyen, Bazzo and Jack Williams should hopefully still be there in the 25-30 range, if we can line up a deal with a club around that point as a live trade on draft day.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I don't see the need for a mature age kpd. They've kept Keane and Kelly - they're no longer newbies and are at an age where they should be viewed as depth, senior or delist.

The issue for me is that Roughead is 30, Moore is injury prone and coming off a fairly long layoff and with the only real replacements being Keane and Kelly (both unproven and have struggled at AFL level) that is a big risk we are taking in the key defender department. We need someone plug and play as backup. Keane and Kelly are not there yet imo. Thats why I wouldn't mind trading out our future 1st for players such as Gibcus or Andrews on top of picking up a Dean type. We need guaranteed key defender stocks. On top of that they take time to develop. If we are picking them up in the 2022 draft they might not be ready until 2023-24. Thats a massive hole in our list.

 

[JuniorB]

Our draft hand in 2022 is too vulnerable. I don't have a problem with a first and thirds - you can work with that - but you can't work with three thirds as is. Wait until we know our de Goey, Maynard and Moore situations before moving. 2022 is a critical year for our rebuild. We're not Carlton or St Kilda. Wait.

We could trade 2 of those future 3rds to Brisbane for a future 2nd (or 1st!), because they need points next year for Ashcroft.

 

[partypie]

Think I know why we're waiting with Cox.

I'm not so sure. Cox has become an Australian citizen, does a lot of work in communities, has a girlfriend here. He's openly admitted America isn't for him so I think he comes back. His life is here and an American AFL player?: life set. He can play around Australia and travel on the country circuit. He could easily play state league and get paid nicely.

I think we're waiting because of list spots and seeing how many picks we need. He's in America on holiday so I guess his manager is just picking his time.

Cox broke up with Geva Mentor a while ago now. Try to keep up on the socials mate...

It is possible that we're waiting on Cox because of the open list spot issue, but to be honest he would be a far riskier player for us to delist than someone like Keane, if we wanted to re-draft the player in question at the back end of the ND, PSD, or as a rookie that is.