List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Horaceg]

It’s Friday. Let’s all love each other*

*except for Port fans.

*no love for Carlton either, just needs a mention, its Friday

 

[Scodog10]

I’ll catch up on the Hill scenario tonight so I won’t ask any questions, but I wanted to jump in and sort of echo Sr’s thoughts. A 4 year deal says to me that a pacy small forward is a priority (Hill, Henry and Ginnivan is a good base) and it’s unlikely his reasons for leaving are going to change over the next 12 months. What shits me though is that he was ours in 2018 if we didn’t trade for Beams and moved up the order ahead of the IQ bid…

 

[Mick F]

Thanks for describing the scene in detail. I won’t thank you and Chris for the cheap insults though.

Many claims are made on Big Footy, I was simply trying to get a sense of the authenticity of this one.

Not sure I’d call a clip on a footy show a ‘documentary’.

 

[ZEV]

I’ll catch up on the Hill scenario tonight so I won’t ask any questions, but I wanted to jump in and sort of echo Sr’s thoughts. A 4 year deal says to me that a pacy small forward is a priority (Hill, Henry and Ginnivan is a good base) and it’s unlikely his reasons for leaving are going to change over the next 12 months. What shits me though is that he was ours in 2018 if we didn’t trade for Beams and moved up the order ahead of the IQ bid…

To be fair, with Degoey, WHE, Thomas and Stepho all kicking 38+ goals its fair to say we thought we had our small-med forwards sorted...

 

[SchuPie]

If he still wants to come back to melb at the end of the year, I could see us having another crack. OOC I think? I wouldn't give up our first (that should go to the draft) but 2nd rounder.. though we dont currentlly have one..

If we could land McDonald and Hill this trade period...

We'd then need to consider trading back in 2022 with our 2023 1st

unless we trade / lose RFA for collateral

then it would be about replenishing backline KP and stocking more mids + down the road, a free agent

 

[sr36]

To be fair, with Degoey, WHE, Thomas and Stepho all kicking 38+ goals its fair to say we thought we had our small-med forwards sorted...

Even with them, if you read the draft rumours and who we were keen on, it's a player type that we've been looking to add for a few years now, but keep on just missing out on our target. Bolton, Pickett, forgotten his name but in 2020 some kid who North pipped us for, now Hill - probably more that I don't know about. We want one. Small forwards have recently become more expensive in the draft and ones we thought would make it to us have fallen just short.

 

[What is a cakewalk]

I’ll catch up on the Hill scenario tonight so I won’t ask any questions, but I wanted to jump in and sort of echo Sr’s thoughts. A 4 year deal says to me that a pacy small forward is a priority (Hill, Henry and Ginnivan is a good base) and it’s unlikely his reasons for leaving are going to change over the next 12 months. What shits me though is that he was ours in 2018 if we didn’t trade for Beams and moved up the order ahead of the IQ bid…

With the likes of butters and caldwell in the picks ahead of quaynor I'm not sure I'd want us to have hypothetically taken hill.

 

[TradeDraft]

I’ll catch up on the Hill scenario tonight so I won’t ask any questions, but I wanted to jump in and sort of echo Sr’s thoughts. A 4 year deal says to me that a pacy small forward is a priority (Hill, Henry and Ginnivan is a good base) and it’s unlikely his reasons for leaving are going to change over the next 12 months. What shits me though is that he was ours in 2018 if we didn’t trade for Beams and moved up the order ahead of the IQ bid…

Beams Trade was just about the Worst One ever Made

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I’ll catch up on the Hill scenario tonight so I won’t ask any questions, but I wanted to jump in and sort of echo Sr’s thoughts. A 4 year deal says to me that a pacy small forward is a priority (Hill, Henry and Ginnivan is a good base) and it’s unlikely his reasons for leaving are going to change over the next 12 months. What shits me though is that he was ours in 2018 if we didn’t trade for Beams and moved up the order ahead of the IQ bid…

Very interested to hear your views on the doco when you watch it.

 

[sr36]

Very interested to hear your views on the doco when you watch it.

What's it called?

 

[TradeDraft]

What's it called?

Show me the Money

 

[Scodog10]

With the likes of butters and caldwell in the picks ahead of quaynor I'm not sure I'd want us to have hypothetically taken hill.

True Butters would be next level on what we currently have! Caldwell

To be fair, with Degoey, WHE, Thomas and Stepho all kicking 38+ goals its fair to say we thought we had our small-med forwards sorted...

I’d hope not! JDG was always a mid, Stepho drafted as a mid and WHE was never a crumbing forward.

 

[ZEV]

True Butters would be next level on what we currently have! Caldwell

I’d hope not! JDG was always a mid, Stepho drafted as a mid and WHE was never a crumbing forward.

Also had Fasolo, Elliot and Broomhead on the list...

 

[What is a cakewalk]

True Butters would be next level on what we currently have! Caldwell

You don't like caldwell? I reckon he's shown more than our young mids, admittedly a year or 2 ahead. Soft tissues are a concern though, probably never play a game if we drafted him.

 

[Scodog10]

You don't like caldwell? I reckon he's shown more than our young mids, admittedly a year or 2 ahead. Soft tissues are a concern though, probably never play a game if we drafted him.

The vomits in the context of a top 12 pick investment in that draft. I just haven’t seen enough yet to justify it or that he’d “thicken the soup” as Bucks would put it.

He’s still young of course and I would have him ahead of our young mids, but I reckon by years end we’ll have seen enough from at least Macrae and Daicos to suggest they’ve moved past him and I’m not sleeping on Henry the mid after the small glimpse we got v Hawthorn. I’m also not as pessimistic on the soft tissue front from 19-21. The White years were good to us on that front, IMO.

 

[What is a cakewalk]

The vomits in the context of a top 12 pick investment in that draft. I just haven’t seen enough yet to justify it or that he’d “thicken the soup” as Bucks would put it.

Agree on pretty much all fronts, especially the white years, soft tissues stuff. Bit of a weird draft that one, top 13 looks absolutely stacked but pretty much beyond that all the players are sort of a bit hit and miss/still establishing themselves. Normally there's a guy in the 20s or 30s that obviously should've gone higher within a few years.

Also not sure why but fin macrae just doesn't excite me as a propect. Seems very vanilla as a player. Hope he proves me wrong and you are correct here.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Also not sure why but fin macrae just doesn't excite me as a propect. Seems very vanilla as a player. Hope he proves me wrong and you are correct here.

Fin’s game and skill set looks like it depends on him being a phenomenal runner.

Unfortunately at the moment his in game aerobic base looks absolutely shocking. He just completely blows up and is unable to put in repeat efforts (both offensively & defensively) consistently.

Fingers crossed that comes in time.

 

[sr36]

Fin’s game and skill set looks like it depends on him being a phenomenal runner.

Unfortunately at the moment his in game aerobic base looks absolutely shocking. He just completely blows up and is unable to put in repeat efforts (both offensively & defensively) consistently.

Fingers crossed that comes in time.

I was surprised when the coaches were talking about our midfield and split them up into different styles of mids. They had him grouped with Adams to play as an inside bull. I agree that he looks more like a runner, who can't cover the kms yet. I think he's a very good prospect, but a long way away from being really ready for either style of mid.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Yep. The regular breaking of stated intentions within society isn't relevant when discussing how likely it is that an 18 year old will break a stated intention. You can live in a world where the stated intention of an 18 year old should be perceived as carrying enormous lasting weight - I'm happy to remain in reality.

That’s just rubbish. A kid playing footy and where he might choose to do that is nothing like meaningful life decisions like marriage, divorce, kids etc.

My guess is that the vast majority of footballers would remain at their initial club if that we’re possible. Some at AFL level struggle to adjust to relocating interstate and seek to return home. Some move for greater opportunity. A small minority (from what little we hear) for personality clash type reasons. But they’re the minority. Most who leave a club do so at the behest of the club.

You’re just getting desperate throwing marriage into the discussion.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Angus Brayshaw, has held back contract talks. It’s be publicly stated he wasn’t happy having to play off a wing last year and isn’t a first choice centre bounce player.
He was moved to a HBF last week and only had 12 possessions. Can’t see him overly happy with that scenario. Dees have gone with speed on their Wings in their games so far.
Any thoughts on him being a good target as an inside mid being 26 years old and prime to take over Adams role in the future.

Pass. Think they’ve moved him from the inside mid role for his own protection. Let’s see what we’ve already got.

 

[loki04]

King has done his knee, that is a very serious injury and particularly for someone of his build and game style. McDonald is the one untainted in that list, has shown great signs early. McKay is also injury prone. We need fit players, premierships can’t be built on injury prone lists as we’ve learnt!

The chatter was on Ben King not Max.

Regardless he's very likely off the table now as GC signed an extension.

In the end paying for a KPP is a very expensive way to bring them in.
Especially when we are going to in all likelihood finish bottom 5 and its a kpp rich draft.

 

[sr36]

That’s just rubbish. A kid playing footy and where he might choose to do that is nothing like meaningful life decisions like marriage, divorce, kids etc.

My guess is that the vast majority of footballers would remain at their initial club if that we’re possible. Some at AFL level struggle to adjust to relocating interstate and seek to return home. Some move for greater opportunity. A small minority (from what little we hear) for personality clash type reasons. But they’re the minority. Most who leave a club do so at the behest of the club.

You’re just getting desperate throwing marriage into the discussion.

I agree that it's not as meaningful, but that just makes an 18 year old saying "I want to be a one club player" less meaningful too. I've got no idea what Logan McDonald will do in the future. Like most, as you've pointed out, he'll probably stay with his drafted club, but I just don't hold much weight at all to his pre-draft stated intentions, because life happens.

 

[loki04]

Also had Fasolo, Elliot and Broomhead on the list...

So two short KPF style forwards in Elliott and Fasolo and a winger in Broomhead.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[The Royal Sampler]

In the end paying for a KPP is a very expensive way to bring them in.
Especially when we are going to in all likelihood finish bottom 5 and its a kpp rich draft.

True, but by getting a player with some AFL exposure you lessen the chances of getting the next Gumbleton or Thorp.