List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[No SPIN]

Is Wright and the club trying to do what he/they failed to do at Hawks when they tried to rebuild on the run and got Scully, Patton, Omeara etc ?

Basically built a very poor list, which then needed rebuilding. They went for a full rebuild last year and are now doing an about face and trying for another rebuild on run due to reaults under mitchell.
But imo they need to be careful of dead cat bounce factor. So many teams have improved year 1 of a new coach to only plummet the following season.

Which of the players we’re linked to have chronic injury issues like Scully and O’Meara had, before going to the Hawks?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

You seem to have looked at quality.

We certainly need three decent players a year through draft, trade and youth development. Five in one year via trade/FA is certainly aggressive, but may limit opportunities for the developing youth.

Next year we effectively get Grundy and Kreuger in. Chance Dean, McInnes and Carmichael become regular AFL players.

I’m really liking the recent improvement by Arlo Draper, too. He is very proactive as a midfielder, quick and highly evasive. As a midfielder, in time, he could provide by stealth what Jordy attempts to provide by brute force.

 

[loki04]

Which of the players we’re linked to have chronic injury issues like Scully and O’Meara had, before going to the Hawks?

Not the point i was making but i understand your belief it failed due to injured types rather then lacking of enough talent. Imo they all by the time Hawks looked at them were no longer their junior selves and had really a B grade player range in what they could perform.

I think they believed that a mid ranged group of players without having elite end talent would be able to contend. Think pies believe that too, all be it we have a couple still there in top talent bracket and the Hawks didn't.

 

[KinderSmock]

Not the point i was making but i understand your belief it failed due to injured types rather then lacking of enough talent. Imo they all by the time Hawks looked at them were no longer their junior selves and had really a B grade player range in what they could perform.

I think they believed that a mid ranged group of players without having elite end talent would be able to contend. Think pies believe that too, all be it we have a couple still there in top talent bracket and the Hawks didn't.

Ah, people trying to replicate moneyball with no idea that baseball has a lot more talent available and is a lot more ruthless. It doesn't work as well in the AFL as talent is smaller and the stats are less defined to each position.

 

[well left]

I’m really liking the recent improvement by Arlo Draper, too. He is very proactive as a midfielder, quick and highly evasive. As a midfielder, in time, he could provide by stealth what Jordy attempts to provide by brute force.

Yeah I agree TRS and why at the bottom of my post I didn’t have as going for a Fiorini type as I want some opportunity for Macrae and Draper


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[manicpie]

So what’s your solution not go for a key and continue how we’ve been going with average players that try hard? Of course it’s going to take time to develop a key forward, duh!! The longer we don’t take one the longer it will be.
I don’t know who they’ll get, I’m not a recruiter watching the NAB league but I know there are some as I’ve heard the chat.

I didn't say we shouldn't take a KPF, quite the opposite. Your previous post seemed to infer that we just draft one and he will be a star next year.

 

[legendstatus]

JDG has all that, footy ability & X-Factor, unfortunately he is just a dumb moron that keeps Collingwood on the front pages for the wrong reasons. Doesn’t matter what side of the fence you are on - it’s what Pies want now…. And it ain’t good news for JDG.

For the record wish he would just knuckle down and be one of the Pies great, he just doesn’t know how to


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[TakingThePies]

Based on….. ?

Literally every stat... Taranto won a club BNF in a GF made year....

Anyone trying to justify De Goey over Taranto is just delusional.

 

[jonnyd4]

Gee the Amartey party is looking good tonight. Could be a cheaper option than McStay?

 

[PyrrhicVic]

Literally every stat... Taranto won a club BNF in a GF made year....

Anyone trying to justify De Goey over Taranto is just delusional.

Literally every stat huh?

If you think any other club would choose Taranto over De Goey as a pure footballer I'd suggest it's time to get off the pot.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Literally every stat... Taranto won a club BNF in a GF made year....

Anyone trying to justify De Goey over Taranto is just delusional.

Damn, delusional it is then. They play different roles with JDG getting forward of the footy more. I'm happy to stick with JDG. Prefer the trade cost.

 

[frizzle]

I’m fine regardless of if we trade or keep De Goey. People say he is a match winner, but he rarely dominates a game these days & doesn’t chase opponents with any intent when his time comes. In fact I can’t ever remember Jordan catching anybody in a run down tackle. Won’t lose any sleep either way. Taranto is a decent player, but there is at least a couple of other GWS young mids that are better than him.

 

[Mollythedolly]

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Literally every stat huh?

If you think any other club would choose Taranto over De Goey as a pure footballer I'd suggest it's time to get off the pot.

Even refining the comparison to this season doesn't change it too much.

Jordan De Goey and Tim Taranto AFL Stats Comparison

Jordan De Goey and Tim Taranto AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[TakingThePies]

Damn, delusional it is then. They play different roles with JDG getting forward of the footy more. I'm happy to stick with JDG. Prefer the trade cost.

We're playing and paying De Goey to play midfield... He's rarely gone forward this year.

 

[Mollythedolly]

We're playing and paying De Goey to play midfield... He's rarely gone forward this year.

I disagree obviously.

 

[magpies42]

I’m really liking the recent improvement by Arlo Draper, too. He is very proactive as a midfielder, quick and highly evasive. As a midfielder, in time, he could provide by stealth what Jordy attempts to provide by brute force.

Agree love his decision making and execution

 

[PieBeast]

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Literally every stat huh?

If you think any other club would choose Taranto over De Goey as a pure footballer I'd suggest it's time to get off the pot.

I don't want to lose Jordy but these stats show Tim is a slightly better value overall and he also comes without baggage.

 

[Quicky]

We're playing and paying De Goey to play midfield... He's rarely gone forward this year.

De Goey starts at the centre bounce. Lipinski starts half forward. After the centre bounce they swap. Lipinski follows the play and attends around the ground stoppages. De Goey remains forward. He spends more time forward on balance i'd guess.

 

[Quicky]

I don't want to lose Jordy but these stats show Tim is a slightly better value overall and he also comes without baggage.

The main differences are Taranto has more disposals, clearances, tackles. De Goey more goals, marks inside 50 and inside 50s. It's not surprising when De Goey has spent the bulk of his career forward and Taranto the bulk of his midfield.

 

[Anzacday]

If you put your opposition coaches hat on for a moment.
Who are they more concerned about - who has the more hurt factor?
If McRae can build a team around JDG allowing for him fading in and out of games, he stays imo.
If he wants a team of consistent performers he goes.
Given the way Dusty is used I reckon he stays (assuming he wants to).
PS: Career average tackles; Dusty 2.9 and JDG 2.8.

 

[Gymnorhina tibic]

I look at it this way, if JDG played for another club and became available we would all be losing our minds that he is the exact type we need and derelict if we don"t chase him.

 

[Rorzza]

Obviously, trying to improve list, don't know if Cox is on one year or two contract but his reasonable form in the ruck this year might attract interest... Could extend his career at another club in desperate need of a ruck, might get a third round back at best.

 

[KinderSmock]

Why didn't I think of that, simply target X-factor players...do the dees plan on trading Petracca anytime soon?

Taranto is slow, and a poor kick. Have you wondered why Jamie has been playing in the middle this year? Let me give you a hint, because outside of him and Jordy our mids are also slow and can't break lines.

Thank christ you're not our list manager.

X-factor can be honed and developed. Ginnivan, McCreery, even Crisp has moments of x-factor. To me, our x-factor player is Ginnivan. That goal against Gold Coast is living x-factor. Ginni won't be a midfielder but he'll be a star and have that x-factor. McCreery is up there, too. So I think we are safe.

Ginnivan's rookie selection is proof that you can target x-factor players in the draft or trade for them as each year there is talent that is available and people don't recruit or take a punt on. Stengle was free to a good home. He came with risk but has x-factor.

 

[KinderSmock]

I look at it this way, if JDG played for another club and became available we would all be losing our minds that he is the exact type we need and derelict if we don"t chase him.

I feel the opposite. We'd be all losing our minds, saying he's the exact player we don't need. If people don't like Taranto because he's "weak" and a "poor kick", then De Goey fits that boat better than anyone else and has an off-field incident list longer than Santa's naughty list. His lack of interest from other clubs should be a sign that he's not as good as what Pies fans think.

 

[Gymnorhina tibic]

I feel the opposite. We'd be all losing our minds, saying he's the exact player we don't need. If people don't like Taranto because he's "weak" and a "poor kick", then De Goey fits that boat better than anyone else and has an off-field incident list longer than Santa's naughty list. His lack of interest from other clubs should be a sign that he's not as good as what Pies fans think.

You have seen Jordy play yeah?