List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[loki04]

McMahon doesn't play that way though. I like his intercept game, field kicking and athleticism. So far he is very ordinary defensively though. I hope he gets there but i'd be easing his development and third tall works that way.

Yeah my thoughts was to continue to mould his game over time looking at his 5th year not so much 3rd. I agree with his pros that you listed bit that athleticism should be able to see him come in late with spoils with reach much like DF did at Essendon. Avoids him having to use the body that needs a lot of strength work.

 

[loki04]

McStay is a free agent so it shouldn't affect our draft hand. Taranto on the otherhand... Agree we have failed to invest in key forwards.

I think it can effect the thinking of what we need rather then directly as in picks used.

 

[Quicky]

It could indirectly affect our draft hand. Ideally McStay as a FA , we get a pick for JDG which we hand over for Taranto. The not ideal situation, JDG goes as a FA, we get McStay as a FA and then we have to give our own first round pick for Taranto.

Only if we lose De Goey which I'm hoping doesn't happen.

 

[Quicky]

I think it can effect the thinking of what we need rather then directly as in picks used.

I'd hope it leaves our 1st rounder free to use on a key forward.

 

[KinderSmock]

Yeah. Its gonna be a tough decision. Not as easy as it was in previous years are many of them are 24 or younger.

We'll only have 1/2 max rookie spots available, just a matter of who you would prefer to be rookied

Collingwood (15): Trent Bianco, Callum Brown, Tyler Brown, Isaac Chugg (unrestricted free agent), Mason Cox (unrestricted free agent), Jordan De Goey (restricted free agent), Jamie Elliott (unrestricted free agent), Oliver Henry, Will Hoskin-Elliott,Will Kelly, Jack Madgen, Liam McMahon, Caleb Poulter, Tom Wilson.

At least three of those afforementioned players will have to go.

At the moment, leading candidates are Brown x2, Wilson, Chugg, McMahon and Madgen.

If Chugg went to make room for someone else like Tyler Brown, I could support that.

 

[CPH12]

I’m not a fan of mcstay. Just my opinion. I know we need KPP, but I’d prefer to wait for the right ones than overpay for the not quite right. Again IMO, others will disagree. I do however find the discussion of him playing defence interesting. Is this confirmed? Or are we jus trying to justify why we’d offer an average forward such a large deal? I hope I’m proven wrong, i just still suffer from PTSD from 2018 contracts along with wells etc. We are a big club, we shouldn’t be required to pay a north Melb tax. Time will tell.

I also wasn't a fan of this deal. However if he is being brought in to play kpd, and he knows this, I am ok with it. Has been a big hole without roughhead this year and should allow Moore to get back to his form from a couple of years ago.
Was actually thinking this morning if mid season trading was allowed, I would be so much more confident heading into finals if we had brought in a big key stopper mid season

 

[loki04]

I'd hope it leaves our 1st rounder free to use on a key forward.

Yeah that would be ideal but got a feeling it will be a mid or flanker.

 

[Prexm]

Only if we lose De Goey which I'm hoping doesn't happen.

Thats right me too. I am using the JDG out and getting someone to replace him scenario which seems the most likely.

 

[CPH12]

The contrast between Knightmare and twomeys rankings is interesting. Pretty much agreement on the midfield, but completely different in regards to key position, with the exception of busslinger. May mean there is some good options in the teens, early 20s if we have some picks available

 

[manicpie]

If we are after McStay as a defender, wouldn't we be better off chasing Darcy Gardner from the Lions? Restricted free agent who hasn't re signed yet, at least he's a bloody good defender

 

[Prexm]

At least three of those afforementioned players will have to go.

At the moment, leading candidates are Brown x2, Wilson, Chugg, McMahon and Madgen.

If Chugg went to make room for someone else like Tyler Brown, I could support that.

That would give us 4 spots available to take to ND assuming McStay comes in and any other player transfer is 1 for 1. Wilson not included in numbers. Probably take 3 which would bring main list to 36 and pass on the last pick and then re-rookie Wilson or McMahon. Option also to only take 2 picks as Noble will be promoted which means one of the players listed above could stay on main list or pick another player up from another club

 

[Scodog10]

The contrast between Knightmare and twomeys rankings is interesting. Pretty much agreement on the midfield, but completely different in regards to key position, with the exception of busslinger. May mean there is some good options in the teens, early 20s if we have some picks available

Without having seen either Twomey>>>Knightmare in terms of how the draft is currently shaping up. On one hand Knightmare is a pure judge of talent and one of the very best going around (really second only to Pie 4 Life, IMO) whereas as a journalist Twomey leans more into word of mouth.

For instance Wells and Hine sit together chatting the draft both are cagey with each other around who/ what they’re looking at, but Wells might say he likes the talls at the pointy end and Hine might say he likes a few of the outside types (these are obviously very broad statements). Twomey then speaks to Hine asking him what he’s seeing and he says a few people are rating the talls at the pointy end he then speaks to Wells who says the people he’s been talking to are liking the outside types. Twomey then pieces his phantom together based on that info and his own viewing.

There’s pros and cons to both.

 

[manicpie]

The contrast between Knightmare and twomeys rankings is interesting. Pretty much agreement on the midfield, but completely different in regards to key position, with the exception of busslinger. May mean there is some good options in the teens, early 20s if we have some picks available

Even with all the flak he cops, Twomey is always pretty much spot on. As for the KF options, there is no doubt we will be able to pick one up in the early 20's. It seems recruiters are a bit gun shy when it comes to KPP in this draft, I don't if it's because there are some outstanding midfielders as well as some really good medium sized talls but they do seem gun shy, which is great for us

 

[KinderSmock]

Even with all the flak he cops, Twomey is always pretty much spot on. As for the KF options, there is no doubt we will be able to pick one up in the early 20's. It seems recruiters are a bit gun shy when it comes to KPP in this draft, I don't if it's because there are some outstanding midfielders as well as some really good medium sized talls but they do seem gun shy, which is great for us

The thing with KF is that very few are fully developed in their draft year. A lot of clubs will target the midfield guns early as they have KPP or rate midfielders higher.

 

[Quicky]

Thats right me too. I am using the JDG out and getting someone to replace him scenario which seems the most likely.

So many permutations haha!

 

[Quicky]

Yeah that would be ideal but got a feeling it will be a mid or flanker.

Yeah I feel like it could go anyway depending on how the trade period evolves, what picks we have, who's there on the night. So many moving parts.

 

[Quicky]

Without having seen either Twomey>>>Knightmare in terms of how the draft is currently shaping up. On one hand Knightmare is a pure judge of talent and one of the very best going around (really second only to Pie 4 Life, IMO) whereas as a journalist Twomey leans more into word of mouth.

For instance Wells and Hine sit together chatting the draft both are cagey with each other around who/ what they’re looking at, but Wells might say he likes the talls at the pointy end and Hine might say he likes a few of the outside types (these are obviously very broad statements). Twomey then speaks to Hine asking him what he’s seeing and he says a few people are rating the talls at the pointy end he then speaks to Wells who says the people he’s been talking to are liking the outside types. Twomey then pieces his phantom together based on that info and his own viewing.

There’s pros and cons to both.

Twomey will get closer with the order. Knightmare I often disagree with but he's got a really good record with key position players. I think he's got an interesting approach with what he looks for which has some runs on the board.

 

[Silky23]

Why the hell are so many people complaining about McStay being traded to us to play as a key defender?

I literally cannot remember the last good FB we’ve had past Roughead, maybe Prestigiacomo? Seriously, I can’t tell you how livid I am when I see Chol and Casboult tear us a new arseh*le because we don’t have anyone big or strong enough to play the role.

If we pay 600k for McStay to be our FB for the next 5 years then do it. He’s 196cm and 97kg with a booming left foot. I’m not complaining. We have never been spoilt for choice in terms of KPP.

 

[VinnieB]

Fact is that we recruit a young KP forward and it will take him 3-5 years to become a potentially very good player.
McStay, with his size and experience, provides some support in that area and helps out Mihocek. Start of the season I wouldn't have bothered with him. Given we are playing finals, I can understand it happening. Would just prefer to keep another 1st round pick if JDG decides to leave. But maybe he isn't?

Wouldnt surpise me at all if JDG stays and Grundy goes (although I would like to keep him).

Or, Brisbane is just going to use their compensation pick (a second round?) on matching points. Maybe we give them 2x 3rd round picks for him.

 

[Quicky]

Why the hell are so many people complaining about McStay being traded to us to play as a key defender?

I literally cannot remember the last good FB we’ve had past Roughead, maybe Prestigiacomo? Seriously, I can’t tell you how livid I am when I see Chol and Casboult tear us a new arseh*le because we don’t have anyone big or strong enough to play the role.

If we pay 600k for McStay to be our FB for the next 5 years then do it. He’s 196cm and 97kg with a booming left foot. I’m not complaining. We have never been spoilt for choice in terms of KPP.

Dunn and Brown were both excellent full backs at their peaks with us.

 

[Prexm]

Fact is that we recruit a young KP forward and it will take him 3-5 years to become a potentially very good player.
McStay, with his size and experience, provides some support in that area and helps out Mihocek. Start of the season I wouldn't have bothered with him. Given we are playing finals, I can understand it happening. Would just prefer to keep another 1st round pick if JDG decides to leave. But maybe he isn't?

Wouldnt surpise me at all if JDG stays and Grundy goes (although I would like to keep him).

Or, Brisbane is just going to use their compensation pick (a second round?) on matching points. Maybe we give them 2x 3rd round picks for him.

Once Brisbane gets their compo pick though , McStay is a Pie through FA. Nothing can then change this.

 

[AmericanMustard]

I can’t recall McStay playing as a key defender but he can’t be any worse than he is as a forward.

If that’s the thinking it may not be a terrible option, we severely need assistance down back Kelly is gone next year, Roughead already gone and VFL watchers round here suggest McMahon is miles off it.

With an aging Howe, McStay/Moore/Dean/Murphy could be a decent option of talls and allows Moore to play more freely which we’ve missed since Roughead went down. Is he a better option than entering a bidding war over Griffin Logue

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115.4

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4.4

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5.4

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2.4

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2.4

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? Guess that’s the question the club needs to answer

 

[Silky23]

Dunn and Brown were both excellent full backs at their peaks with us.

Dunn played 33 games for us across 4 seasons. Brown was good but never amazing.

 

[Dynamics]

If 600k isn’t just a number someone pulled out of their dick, it could well be a max number, I.e. AA, premiership, top 5 Copeland etc - a contract could be up to 600k where in reality it’s closer too 400. We just don’t know and taking 600k as gospel where it’s just media garbage and you’re probBly way of the mark.

I mean, sure, I agree. That's why it's a rumour.

 

[Prexm]

I can’t recall McStay playing as a key defender but he can’t be any worse than he is as a forward.

If that’s the thinking it may not be a terrible option, we severely need assistance down back Kelly is gone next year, Roughead already gone and VFL watchers round here suggest McMahon is miles off it.

With an aging Howe, McStay/Moore/Dean/Murphy could be a decent option of talls and allows Moore to play more freely which we’ve missed since Roughead went down. Is he a better option than entering a bidding war over Griffin Logue? Guess that’s the question the club needs to answer

The connection is he played some defence early in his career when Leppitsch was coach.