List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Mcstay as the Roughead replacement with Howe only a year or so off retirement makes the most sense. Moore has been less effective this year being unable to play his natural role.

We shouldn’t need him as a forward and shouldn’t be recruited as one but it’s always an option after he’s arrived.

 

[Pistol Night]

I think people are less hating on him and more hating on the ridiculous figure being bandied about for his contract.

I'm still yet to see the likes of his ardent supporters here such as Jen really, truly justify how he's worth that much based on his output to date.

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He's not. But to pry someone out of a club you usually have to pay overs. Were crying out for a big body at both ends and he fills a need. I havent heard anyone from the club confirm the 5 x 600 is accuarate anyway. My guess is theyre hoping to play him down back to free up Moore. How much better was Darcy when Roughy was down there? And then were betting the house on Krugs getting his body right to play KPF.

 

[manicpie]

Mcstay as the Roughead replacement with Howe only a year or so off retirement makes the most sense. Moore has been less effective this year being unable to play his natural role.

We shouldn’t need him as a forward and shouldn’t be recruited as one but it’s always an option after he’s arrived.

I doubt we're going to use him as a defender. He's going to play forward. I doubt we're going to commit to 5 years for a bloke to play a role that he doesn't even play. McStay would be lucky to have played 10 games as a defender

 

[Scodog10]

He's not. But to pry someone out of a club you usually have to pay overs. Were crying out for a big body at both ends and he fills a need. I havent heard anyone from the club confirm the 5 x 600 is accuarate anyway. My guess is theyre hoping to play him down back to free up Moore. How much better was Darcy when Roughy was down there? And then were betting the house on Krugs getting his body right to play KPF.

100%. Brisbane rate him and because of that they have good money on the table (I’d read $500k x4) so if another club wants him they need to trump it.

It’s more a question of whether overpaying is worth it in your key posts? For me it’s an acceptable decision because people on here have NFI how much Mihocek or Kreuger are on. Personally if I’m going to be critical of a player contract under Wright it’d be Kreuger’s over McStay’s.

I’m clearly in the camp of not taking this path, but realistically we have no experience in our KPD options (although I think it can work fwd) and Moore going it alone is killing his effectiveness. People were banging on about KPF stocks all of 2020-21, but it was always KPD that looked the more barron to me.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I doubt we're going to use him as a defender. He's going to play forward. I doubt we're going to commit to 5 years for a bloke to play a role that he doesn't even play. McStay would be lucky to have played 10 games as a defender

Yeah there’s the mystery. But it’s not as if it hasn’t happened before.

Mihocek was supposed to be a defender
Moore was expected to be a forward
Roughead was mostly a ruck-forward
Howe was a forward

Tarrant a great example of a forward reinventing himself mid career.
Reid ( when fit) , Picken, McCormack, the list goes on.

We are both speculating but to me he has the credentials to play in defence and I’m also taking into account that’s the position Leppitsch played so maybe that’s what his assessment is too.

 

[soreplums]

I've been told we are getting him for defence.

We'll see how that pays off, if that eventuates.

McStay
Dean
Kelly
McMahon

one would have to be moved on or moved to the rookie list

 

[The Phantom]

McWaitandsee

McPray

 

[manicpie]

Yeah there’s the mystery. But it’s not as if it hasn’t happened before.

Mihocek was supposed to be a defender
Moore was expected to be a forward
Roughead was mostly a ruck-forward
Howe was a forward

Tarrant a great example of a forward reinventing himself mid career.
Reid ( when fit) , Picken, McCormack, the list goes on.

We are both speculating but to me he has the credentials to play in defence and I’m also taking into account that’s the position Leppitsch played so maybe that’s what his assessment is too.

I suppose if you consider that we have Freddy and now Johnson, with a hope of getting a KF in the draft, maybe they will play McStay in defence

 

[Scodog10]

McStay
Dean
Kelly
McMahon

one would have to be moved on or moved to the rookie list

Given both are uncontracted I think the likelihood of both remaining at the club is less than the odds of both JDG and Grundy being retained (slim to none).

 

[Dynamics]

I've been told we are getting him for defence.

We'll see how that pays off, if that eventuates.

If (big if) that works out and he provides us with a key defensive pillar that allows Moore a little more freedom for the next 3-5 years, it would be money well spent. It would also make sense with the Leppa connection.

Lots of water to run under that bridge but I like the sound of your info, Jen!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I've been told we are getting him for defence.

We'll see how that pays off, if that eventuates.

This makes the most sense to me. Thinking back, I wonder how closely the timeline for talk of McStay coming to Collingwood, matched that of Roughead announcing his retirement. If McStay as a “player who never gets outmarked” can play a similar role to Roughead, as a negator, it might still allow Charlie Dean to be an intercepting defender in the mould of Jeremy Howe, and we don’t void our investment in Nathan Kreuger up forward.

 

[JuniorB]

100%. Brisbane rate him and because of that they have good money on the table (I’d read $500k x4) so if another club wants him they need to trump it.

It’s more a question of whether overpaying is worth it in your key posts? For me it’s an acceptable decision because people on here have NFI how much Mihocek or Kreuger are on. Personally if I’m going to be critical of a player contract under Wright it’d be Kreuger’s over McStay’s.

I’m clearly in the camp of not taking this path, but realistically we have no experience in our KPD options (although I think it can work fwd) and Moore going it alone is killing his effectiveness. People were banging on about KPF stocks all of 2020-21, but it was always KPD that looked the more barron to me.

McStay is an unrestricted FA and he may have other reasons for moving to Melbourne.
If so, money may not be the prime factor.
For security, a longer contract would be desirable but the $/year is purely speculation.
In any case, he seems well liked by Brisbane & a good citizen.
If he comes to us he'll be one of ours, so he deserves our support.
Of course, that doesn't preclude him from appearing in the whipping boys thread if his form warrants it!

 

[Couch Coach]

I doubt we're going to use him as a defender. He's going to play forward. I doubt we're going to commit to 5 years for a bloke to play a role that he doesn't even play. McStay would be lucky to have played 10 games as a defender

Drafted as a defender:

2013 Draft Profile: Daniel McStay

Daniel McStay (Eastern Ranges) Height: 193 cm Weight: 83 kg Position: Defender/Midfielder Player comparison: Tyson Goldsack (Better disposal) Strengths: Athleticism, Disposal, Versatility Weaknesses: Strength Daniel McStay is a valuable prospect in the 2013 National Draft because unlike many...

central.rookieme.com

2013 draft prospect: Daniel McStay

An athletic, tall defender who provides good counter-attack

www.afl.com.au

I can't find a breakdown of his AFL games to know how many are forward vs defence.

 

[Matrix10]

McStay
Dean
Kelly
McMahon

one would have to be moved on or moved to the rookie list

Kelly will be lucky to remain on the main list at seasons end , his got the last few rounds to flip the tables . Dean will fill the Roughy role allowing Darcy to do what Darcy does best , the licence to intercept mark and create with his natural dash and effective kicking down the line . Not sold on McStay, obviously Leppitsch believes in him , so we await to see if his judgement is sound further on up the road .

 

[frizzle]

I've been told we are getting him for defence.

We'll see how that pays off, if that eventuates.

That would be a little more feasible I guess. As a forward he is absolutely bog average.
Then again so was Liam Jones at the doggies until the Blues made him a defender.
I guess even if he turns out to be a reasonable defender one on one, then releasing Moore so we get the old Darcy back would be invaluable.
I'm still hoping this signing is also part of a deal to net us their first round pick, that they will want to offload for Ashcroft points.

 

[soreplums]

Given both are uncontracted I think the likelihood of both remaining at the club is less than the odds of both JDG and Grundy being retained (slim to none).

I’d like to keep them on the rookie list If possible, purely because of their size and possibility of being late bloomers.

Adelaide bid on Kelly in the draft didn’t they?
Would they pay a third for him or consider a pick swap? Kelly and a couple of thirds for a second?

 

[ThePhantom777]

Start preparing the welcome thread Dave!

 

[magpies42]

How expensive do you expect a player who’s been shown the door by his club while he’s under contract to be? No club is going to offer him big money, it’s going to be a “we’ll give you a chance” offer wherever he goes at this point.

Anything above 200k is not in our interest. He will take development time off the kids…not good for culture and he’s just not an impactful midfielder. Other clubs, looking for shortcuts will give him more.

 

[JuniorB]

I’d like to keep them on the rookie list If possible, purely because of their size and possibility of being late bloomers.

Adelaide bid on Kelly in the draft didn’t they?
Would they pay a third for him or consider a pick swap? Kelly and a couple of thirds for a second?

They recycled his brother too.

 

[unplugged]

McStay coming feels like the worst ever kept secret in AFL history... but why is everyone taking a random Supercoach twitter post so seriously?

 

[ZEV]

McStay is an unrestricted FA and he may have other reasons for moving to Melbourne.
If so, money may not be the prime factor.
For security, a longer contract would be desirable but the $/year is purely speculation.
In any case, he seems well liked by Brisbane & a good citizen.
If he comes to us he'll be one of ours, so he deserves our support.
Of course, that doesn't preclude him from appearing in the whipping boys thread if his form warrants it!

I'm kind of hoping that this is more the case, a return home on similar contract terms with the enticement being Melbourne, playing on the G and not being in Brisbane.

Given our luck with longer contracts and the realistic inability of any free agent we have recruited to impact on field I'm hoping that the 5 year aspect of the rumoured contract is not true. Especially since we have just given Murphy a 2 year deal and Johnson a one year deal.

 

[KinderSmock]

McStay to the Pies can be considered complete. We'll get him, he'll move. Our backline really needs a pillar like him so then we can free-up Maynard and others to move into the middle.

Dean, Ruscoe, and one of Kelly/McMahon would be the backups. You'd think one would be cut after this year if he's coming.

For people thinking McStay will impact upon JDG compo, I feel like we'll trade JDG should the interest arise given he's currently only valued at Pick 12. A smart would be to take a first AND second AND anything else to sweeten the offer.

 

[stormskye]

I’m not a fan of mcstay. Just my opinion. I know we need KPP, but I’d prefer to wait for the right ones than overpay for the not quite right. Again IMO, others will disagree. I do however find the discussion of him playing defence interesting. Is this confirmed? Or are we jus trying to justify why we’d offer an average forward such a large deal? I hope I’m proven wrong, i just still suffer from PTSD from 2018 contracts along with wells etc. We are a big club, we shouldn’t be required to pay a north Melb tax. Time will tell.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

For people thinking McStay will impact upon JDG compo, I feel like we'll trade JDG should the interest arise given he's currently only valued at Pick 12.

We’re fourth on the ladder, so currently he’s valued at pick #16 and it would be certain to slide further with bid matches.

 

[KinderSmock]

We’re fourth on the ladder, so currently he’s valued at pick #16 and it would be certain to slide further with bid matches.

Then trading is the smartest option. We're unlikely to miss finals now. A win against PA would all but ensure we're playing in at least the first week.