List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Prexm]

McStay
Dean
Kelly
McMahon

one would have to be moved on or moved to the rookie list

Dean is already on the rookie list . I can see McMahon being delisted and then either he or Wilson taking the last rookie spot presuming no one else is interested in drafting them. The other possibility is Kelly gets delisted and McMahon retained. Think one of Kelly or McMahon will go off the primary list.

 

[Jen2310]

Dean is already on the rookie list . I can see McMahon being delisted and then either he or Wilson taking the last rookie spot presuming no one else is interested in drafting them. The other possibility is Kelly gets delisted and McMahon retained. Think one of Kelly or McMahon will go off the primary list.

Wilson has been on the cat b rookie list for 3 years. Dont think you can then put him on the cat A rookie list. Has to be promoted to senior list, or delisted I would think

 

[Jen2310]

Brayshaw just signed a 6 year deal at melbourne. Thats 3 of their players on long term deals.

 

[Prexm]

Wilson has been on the cat b rookie list for 3 years. Dont think you can then put him on the cat A rookie list. Has to be promoted to senior list, or delisted I would think

Think you are right , I was meaning to delist him and then there is the option to re-draft him to the main Rookie A list. I doubt any other club would take him. If they 100% want to keep him then yes he will have to be promoted to the senior list but number of list spots is the issue. I saw there is still 13 uncontracted players on the main list so will depend a lot on how many of them will go and how many players we bring in from other clubs.

 

[loki04]

Check again, he's at 4 which is ludicrous and like I said he'll change it.

I hope Scully does fall and we take him with one of our many 3rds.

Reckon he will prove to be one of those players people turn around after a 5 years going how did he slide to there...

He really hasn't been given opportunity to show his wares properly outside his u18 sanfl comp of which he was largely dominant. Limited time in VFL game and 1 game in champs for limited game as well.

One thing I like about him is his ability to kick bags this is not something learnt and many players struggle to break a 3 or 4 goal Pb at any level. He has the potential with growth to be a 5 to 10 goal day out player.


Still believe a Scully and Lemmey (potentially Jeferson) would be a great double act in years to come.

 

[Jen2310]

Think you are right , I was meaning to delist him and then there is the option to re-draft him to the main Rookie A list. I doubt any other club would take him. If they 100% want to keep him then yes he will have to be promoted to the senior list but number of list spots is the issue. I saw there is still 13 uncontracted players on the main list so will depend a lot on how many of them will go and how many players we bring in from other clubs.

Yeah. Its gonna be a tough decision. Not as easy as it was in previous years are many of them are 24 or younger.

We'll only have 1/2 max rookie spots available, just a matter of who you would prefer to be rookied

Collingwood (15): Trent Bianco, Callum Brown, Tyler Brown, Isaac Chugg (unrestricted free agent), Mason Cox (unrestricted free agent), Jordan De Goey (restricted free agent), Jamie Elliott (unrestricted free agent), Oliver Henry, Will Hoskin-Elliott,Will Kelly, Jack Madgen, Liam McMahon, Caleb Poulter, Tom Wilson.

 

[Quicky]

I was supportive of McStay as a key defender at the beginning of the year and it was not a popular opinion.

 

[Quicky]

McStay
Dean
Kelly
McMahon

one would have to be moved on or moved to the rookie list

I think Kelly and Madgen are done. If McStay is here as a key defender I see Dean and Begg as the key defenders in the VFL with McMahon a third tall or shifted forward.

 

[riddick78]

He's not. But to pry someone out of a club you usually have to pay overs. Were crying out for a big body at both ends and he fills a need. I havent heard anyone from the club confirm the 5 x 600 is accuarate anyway. My guess is theyre hoping to play him down back to free up Moore. How much better was Darcy when Roughy was down there? And then were betting the house on Krugs getting his body right to play KPF.

I agree, I miss seeing Moore playing intercept and running out of the backline, our backline looks so much better when Moore is intercepting. We aren't sure what CFC is offering him, they may play him down back or fwd, or as a swingman. Like many here, i don't know what the club see in him, but looks like he's ours next year and hopefully he becomes a solid in for us.

Hopefully they can get Krugs body right, but he has to play smarter, he can't keep putting his body on the line. He may have an injury cloud over him at the moment, but i also remember when Moore and Billy did as well and they got their bodys right and i hope Krugs can too. I look forward to seeing a full healthy list next year, Krugs, Ash, Checkers, Oli, Ginni, McCreery, Billy, Cameron and Cox in the fowardline and Moore, Murphy, Bruz, Noble, Pendles, Daicos, Dean, Howe, with McStay as a swingman. Hopefully we can add a small foward to that list as well.

 

[loki04]

I was supportive of McStay as a key defender at the beginning of the year and it was not a popular opinion.

I just hope it's not at the detriment of investing in the draft.

Years ago the club had a anti Ruck early draft policy where they felt they could poach other teams 2nd or 3rd string rucks or use alternate rookies like Fanning, to avoid investing and developing their own.

They have changed that stance to KPF over the last decade and I think it's flawed thinking.

 

[loki04]

I think Kelly and Madgen are done. If McStay is here as a key defender I see Dean and Begg as the key defenders in the VFL with McMahon a third tall or shifted forward.

McMahon at 198cm should long term be looking at being Dustin Fletcher style KPD. That lanky speedy pest that gets a fist in.

 

[DopeMaster]

Not from me.

I don't think we should be spending the rumoured coin we're offering him.

But if he comes he's 100% one of us and I'll back him all the way.

If 600k isn’t just a number someone pulled out of their dick, it could well be a max number, I.e. AA, premiership, top 5 Copeland etc - a contract could be up to 600k where in reality it’s closer too 400. We just don’t know and taking 600k as gospel where it’s just media garbage and you’re probBly way of the mark.

 

[Quicky]

I just hope it's not at the detriment of investing in the draft.

Years ago the club had a anti Ruck early draft policy where they felt they could poach other teams 2nd or 3rd string rucks or use alternate rookies like Fanning, to avoid investing and developing their own.

They have changed that stance to KPF over the last decade and I think it's flawed thinking.

McStay is a free agent so it shouldn't affect our draft hand. Taranto on the otherhand... Agree we have failed to invest in key forwards.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I was supportive of McStay as a key defender at the beginning of the year and it was not a popular opinion.

It’s still hard to justify on a money basis, paying a key forward to play negating defender… unless the reported money is wrong.

 

[manicpie]

I hope Scully does fall and we take him with one of our many 3rds.

Reckon he will prove to be one of those players people turn around after a 5 years going how did he slide to there...

He really hasn't been given opportunity to show his wares properly outside his u18 sanfl comp of which he was largely dominant. Limited time in VFL game and 1 game in champs for limited game as well.

One thing I like about him is his ability to kick bags this is not something learnt and many players struggle to break a 3 or 4 goal Pb at any level. He has the potential with growth to be a 5 to 10 goal day out player.


Still believe a Scully and Lemmey (potentially Jeferson) would be a great double act in years to come.

Scully won't go in the first 2 rounds. He is too tall for the defenders he plays against in the SANFL U18's. If you watched his game on the weekend, you'll see that he really did struggle against better opposition. His ground ball ability is really poor, he's pretty much a mark and kick player which doesn't help his chances of going earlier.

 

[Prexm]

Yeah. Its gonna be a tough decision. Not as easy as it was in previous years are many of them are 24 or younger.

We'll only have 1/2 max rookie spots available, just a matter of who you would prefer to be rookied

Collingwood (15): Trent Bianco, Callum Brown, Tyler Brown, Isaac Chugg (unrestricted free agent), Mason Cox (unrestricted free agent), Jordan De Goey (restricted free agent), Jamie Elliott (unrestricted free agent), Oliver Henry, Will Hoskin-Elliott,Will Kelly, Jack Madgen, Liam McMahon, Caleb Poulter, Tom Wilson.

That is close to the list I saw. 12 confirmed on main list and 2 rookies. it says 15 but only 14 listed here. Is Sidey signed to go on as he is on the list I saw. We will only have one rookie spot available which will be Chugg going you would think.

 

[Jen2310]

That is close to the list I saw. 12 confirmed on main list and 2 rookies. it says 15 but only 14 listed here. Is Sidey signed to go on as he is on the list I saw. We will only have one rookie spot available which will be Chugg going you would think.

Sidebottom isn't OOC, prob not til next year. Believe he quietly re-signed last year
Noble needs to be promoted. So with Chugg you'd think, thats 2 rookie spots. But Carmichael then takes 1 of then, so 1 is available.

 

[Quicky]

McMahon at 198cm should long term be looking at being Dustin Fletcher style KPD. That lanky speedy pest that gets a fist in.

McMahon doesn't play that way though. I like his intercept game, field kicking and athleticism. So far he is very ordinary defensively though. I hope he gets there but i'd be easing his development and third tall works that way.

 

[Scodog10]

I’d like to keep them on the rookie list If possible, purely because of their size and possibility of being late bloomers.

Adelaide bid on Kelly in the draft didn’t they?
Would they pay a third for him or consider a pick swap? Kelly and a couple of thirds for a second?

A decision needs to be made on Wilson as well and personally Wilson > either of those two. Wilson isn’t senior list material right now so he winds up on the rookie list for mine.

On the two individually I honestly just don’t rate Kelly aside from his kicking (which has a bit of the B Reid’s about it). He’s a poor mark, has zero competitiveness and isn’t a huge body. You rarely make it with that skill set and if you do it’s never in a meaningful way. The nearest comparison I have is GC Peter Wright, but he could at least take a good mark despite being inconsistent (a bit like Cox) and is obviously a lot bigger.

McMahon is a bit more challenging to assess. Covid recruit meaning he never had his top age U18 year of footy, but similarly looks to lack competitiveness and I don’t know if he has workrate or closing speed issues because he always seems to get beat on the lead as a defender. It’s one thing to get beat on the lead if you make them earn it and another entirely to be 5 metres off the pace on a short hit up (which seems to happen constantly). In hindsight they probably should have extended him late in 2021, tell him 2022 was development and 2023 the expectation is there to be pressing for a best 22 spot. Now though I think a one year extension is the best you can do.

Nothing would surprise me though so clearly none of that is a firmly held view.

 

[Quicky]

It’s still hard to justify on a money basis, paying a key forward to play negating defender… unless the reported money is wrong.

What is a starting full back worth? It's probably high?

 

[Carlthetruth]

Scully won't go in the first 2 rounds. He is too tall for the defenders he plays against in the SANFL U18's. If you watched his game on the weekend, you'll see that he really did struggle against better opposition. His ground ball ability is really poor, he's pretty much a mark and kick player which doesn't help his chances of going earlier.

Has no functional strength, none! A gentle breeze blows him sideways. One word to describe his game atm is weak. Physical presence and aggression is totally absent and that won't impress clubs. Surprised Mare had him ranked as high as 4, wonder if he's seen him play?

 

[Scodog10]

What is a starting full back worth? It's probably high?

$600k would be less than Andrews, Pearce, Weitering, May and Taylor are on. McCartin, DeKoning, Mackay, Aliir and if you want to class him a full back Wilke will all be on more than that in their next contract given their importance to each team.

Lastly there’s some wildcards. Keath who would be ball park $500-600k, but age is the issue there. Barrass who really could be on anything. Ballard because until recently someone had to be getting the money up there and he’s been one of their most reliable for a few years. Rampe who’s a bit like Wilke as a full back undersized, but structurally that lock away defender.

 

[Prexm]

A decision needs to be made on Wilson as well and personally Wilson > either of those two. Wilson isn’t senior list material right now so he winds up on the rookie list for mine.

On the two individually I honestly just don’t rate Kelly aside from his kicking (which has a bit of the B Reid’s about it). He’s a poor mark, has zero competitiveness and isn’t a huge body. You rarely make it with that skill set and if you do it’s never in a meaningful way. The nearest comparison I have is GC Peter Wright, but he could at least take a good mark despite being inconsistent (a bit like Cox) and is obviously a lot bigger.

McMahon is a bit more challenging to assess. Covid recruit meaning he never had his top age U18 year of footy, but similarly looks to lack competitiveness and I don’t know if he has workrate or closing speed issues because he always seems to get beat on the lead as a defender. It’s one thing to get beat on the lead if you make them earn it and another entirely to be 5 metres off the pace on a short hit up (which seems to happen constantly). In hindsight they probably should have extended him late in 2021, tell him 2022 was development and 2023 the expectation is there to be pressing for a best 22 spot. Now though I think a one year extension is the best you can do.

Nothing would surprise me though so clearly none of that is a firmly held view.

Wilson/McMahon/Kelly. Likely scenario. 1 on main list , 1 delisted and then takes last rookie spot through rookie draft, 1 delisted. Not sure which way they will go.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Don’t recall anyone question Wright skills - attitude definitely.

reckon there were many who said he wasn't that good.

 

[Prexm]

McStay is a free agent so it shouldn't affect our draft hand. Taranto on the otherhand... Agree we have failed to invest in key forwards.

It could indirectly affect our draft hand. Ideally McStay as a FA , we get a pick through a trade for JDG which we hand over for Taranto. The not ideal situation, JDG goes as a FA, we get McStay as a FA and then we have to give our own first round pick for Taranto.