List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[brockbruiser]

“Brodie Grundy is on Port Adelaide’s radar and it means he would command about $700,000 a year.”

All these media types speculating before any negotiation has taken place that we will fork out the full $300k. I know the media keep running with this figure, but we aren't going to be that stupid, its not Treloar all over again. The draft pick(s)/compensation we will receive for Grundy will determine the compensation.

 

[Couch Coach]

Port is the one we want going after Grundy its the perfect pick and being an Adelaide boy even better.

Lycett and Port 1st for Grundy and Pies 3rd

You take that, they have no need for Lycett, would love to somehow get Georgiadias and Ports 1st

Lycett would be a great fit at Geelong aswell.

The point to Grundy leaving is to save cap space. Lycett $ plus still paying Grundy $ doesn't save cap space.

Lycett deal rumoured to be 5 years for $3M = $600K pa average

AFL trade news: West Coast choose not to match Port’s free agency offer for Scott Lycett

Eagles’ bid for Kelly boosted after letting Lycett walk to Port

www.foxsports.com.au

Grundy deal rumored to be 7 years for $7M with $950K pa average remaining

The Pies could soon have a complex problem. An easy answer would create a ‘lethal’ pairing

The Pies could soon have a $4.7m problem. This easy answer would create a ‘lethal’ pairing

www.foxsports.com.au

$600K for Lycett plus $300K to Grundy saves only ($50K).

I doubt Port would offer Lycett and a 1st in the first place let alone if we tried to pay less thn $300K pa.

 

[Apex36]

That would require Grundy and Pies to agree to terminate his contract. Let's put this in the unlikely basket.

Pretty sure he was just referring to Henry.

 

[sideswipe]

Pretty sure he was just referring to Henry.

Ah true. Sorry Harry O

 

[Apex36]

“Brodie Grundy is on Port Adelaide’s radar and it means he would command about $700,000 a year.”

All these media types speculating before any negotiation has taken place that we will fork out the full $300k. I know the media keep running with this figure, but we aren't going to be that stupid, its not Treloar all over again. The draft pick(s)/compensation we will receive for Grundy will determine the compensation.

Grundy is on about $900k, so it would be us chipping in $200k if his destination club was paying $700k. You’d assume the $300k offer would only be available if a club was willing to give up something good to get him in.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

It's a salary dump.. ffs you guys are delusional.

Yes and no

It's not quite the same context as the 2020 fire sale

We could still technically keep him if we wanted/needed to

 

[thommo_legend]

pick 27

Yes and no

It's not quite the same context as the 2020 fire sale

We could still technically keep him if we wanted/needed to

We will get nothing, its a salary dump

 

[sr36]

pick 27

We will get nothing, its a salary dump

If he is traded, what we get will be related to how much of his salary we dump.

 

[Couch Coach]

"We need to get Grundy in on no more than $400k for 5 years which is really $700k for 3. I’d also look Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

straight in the eye and tell him that he either signs a 2 year deal with us or he can go to West Coast for pick 2, Fremantle is out of the question.

I’d trade Salem, Hunt, Bowey and Weideman to Collingwood for Maynard, Henry, Grundy and their first rounder coming back.

We should also trade Petty to Port for Georgiades, I’m deeply concerned that crying on the field doesn’t align with the Demon Spirit. We should be able to get Breust and Gunston in as free agents by trading out the likes of Jordon, Tomlinson, Sparrow, Spargo, Harmes and Melksham to create cap space.

This should alleviate our form slump.

2023 Best 22
B: Maynard - May - Turner
HB: Brayshaw - Lever - Rivers
C: Langdon - Oliver - Viney
HF: Breust - T McDonald - Fritsch
F: Georgiades - Henry - Gunston
R: Gawn - Grundy - Jackson/Pick 2
I: B Brown - Weideman - Baker - Collingwood’s first rounder
Sub: Petracca"

I'm not sure which part is the funniest of this post:
1/. Grundy for $400K meaning we pay $500K-$600K pa
2/. Jackson staying
3/. Picking on Petty
4/. Us trading Maynard
5/. Our 3 players being worth less than their 4 so we have to give a 1st rounder too
6/. Ruck line of Gawn, Grundy and Jackson
7/. Weideman on the bench after his is traded to us?
8/. Henry at FF
9/. Petracca the sub

 

[Gaspard]

The salary cap savings that are talked about so much in the Grundy story don't make much sense to me. The salary figures for all players are unknown, the contribution Collingwood might make to a salary transfer is, as far as I can see, a guess by media figures, and the likely cost of players being considered is further guesswork.

Really good players are hard to find. When you get one, you try to keep him, and add to the stocks around him. You don't move him on in the hope that you can find as better one. In Grundy's case, there may be something in his game that McRae doesn't want in his team. This is a reason for moving him, if it exists, but a possibly slightly excessive contract is not.

I think back to the grand finals in which we were hammered out of the middle by sides with big ruckmen when we had lean mobile ones. I also note that we regularly get monstered in the middle with our current rucks, even though, like Grundy, they get the lion's share of the taps. This is clearly a problem for the midfielders, not for the ruckmen.

I will take a lot of convincing that there are solid reasons for disposing of Grundy, and the thought of paying another top player to perform for another club is truly disheartening. I just cannot see the gain in paying a third of his salary to gain a lesser player who has to be paid the remaining two thirds. Same money, weaker player!

 

[ksardog]

Grundy to Port for Georgiadis and their 2nd round pick ( especially if Henry does want to go, which we have no idea as yet )

 

[Couch Coach]

Grundy to Port for Georgiadis and their 2nd round pick ( especially if Henry does want to go, which we have no idea as yet )

Port don't have 2nd this year.
Currently 8, 52 and 56 prior to finals, F&S, Compo, Trades, etc.

 

[What is a cakewalk]

The dialogue around the possible grundy trade is starting to frustrate me. Apparently all of melbourne, geelong, port, hawthorn and gws interested but apparently we're still trading him for peanuts and copping 300k a year ongoing in our salary cap. If this eventuates we'd want to be getting a best 10 player in, or I reckon enraged phone call rates to the membership department may trump that of the 2020 shit show.

 

[ksardog]

Port don't have 2nd this year.
Currently 8, 52 and 56 prior to finals, F&S, Compo, Trades, etc.

they will get something for Amon going to Hawks on big coin, work around that pick, whatever it is

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

pick 27

We will get nothing, its a salary dump

Yeah that's not really true

We'll get something. It's just a matter of what

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

The salary cap savings that are talked about so much in the Grundy story don't make much sense to me. The salary figures for all players are unknown, the contribution Collingwood might make to a salary transfer is, as far as I can see, a guess by media figures, and the likely cost of players being considered is further guesswork.

Really good players are hard to find. When you get one, you try to keep him, and add to the stocks around him. You don't move him on in the hope that you can find as better one. In Grundy's case, there may be something in his game that McRae doesn't want in his team. This is a reason for moving him, if it exists, but a possibly slightly excessive contract is not.

I think back to the grand finals in which we were hammered out of the middle by sides with big ruckmen when we had lean mobile ones. I also note that we regularly get monstered in the middle with our current rucks, even though, like Grundy, they get the lion's share of the taps. This is clearly a problem for the midfielders, not for the ruckmen.

I will take a lot of convincing that there are solid reasons for disposing of Grundy, and the thought of paying another top player to perform for another club is truly disheartening. I just cannot see the gain in paying a third of his salary to gain a lesser player who has to be paid the remaining two thirds. Same money, weaker player!

Well l guess the club is looking at in a way, in terms of Grundy, is that we pay $1.5M over 5 years, yet we will have salary cap space accumulating to $3.2M, maybe more, over the same period.
Considering a player like Harry McKay is out of contract next year, do we have a big crack at him to give us the key forward we are crying out for, or do we balance out the list more with adding key position players, also with a inside midfielder or two.
List management is a tough position with the decisions to be made, and externally judged very harshly, because your damned if do, and damned if you dont. Be interesting to see where we go with alot of players at seasons end, and no doubt there will be some hearts broken with certain players probably existing. If that happens to be the case, then the only thing that matters is that the player is happy and leaves with no animosity, and the club is comfortable with the decisions made.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

The dialogue around the possible grundy trade is starting to frustrate me. Apparently all of melbourne, geelong, port, hawthorn and gws interested but apparently we're still trading him for peanuts and copping 300k a year ongoing in our salary cap. If this eventuates we'd want to be getting a best 10 player in, or I reckon enraged phone call rates to the membership department may trump that of the 2020 s**t show.

If he is getting traded, which hasn’t been confirmed by anyone but media speculation, then l'm sure the club wont be doing it for peanuts....

 

[What is a cakewalk]

If he is getting traded, which hasn’t been confirmed by anyone but media speculation, then l'm sure the club wont be doung it for peanuts....

So i would hope, but our trading history (and tbh that of g wright) doesn't fill me with confidence

 

[rdangelo]

If a miracle happened and we won the premiership, could we see Howe/Sidebottom potentially retiring?

Wouldn't mind to keep the list turning over if that was the case

 

[stormskye]

"We need to get Grundy in on no more than $400k for 5 years which is really $700k for 3. I’d also look Luke Jackson straight in the eye and tell him that he either signs a 2 year deal with us or he can go to West Coast for pick 2, Fremantle is out of the question.

I’d trade Salem, Hunt, Bowey and Weideman to Collingwood for Maynard, Henry, Grundy and their first rounder coming back.

We should also trade Petty to Port for Georgiades, I’m deeply concerned that crying on the field doesn’t align with the Demon Spirit. We should be able to get Breust and Gunston in as free agents by trading out the likes of Jordon, Tomlinson, Sparrow, Spargo, Harmes and Melksham to create cap space.

This should alleviate our form slump.

2023 Best 22
B: Maynard - May - Turner
HB: Brayshaw - Lever - Rivers
C: Langdon - Oliver - Viney
HF: Breust - T McDonald - Fritsch
F: Georgiades - Henry - Gunston
R: Gawn - Grundy - Jackson/Pick 2
I: B Brown - Weideman - Baker - Collingwood’s first rounder
Sub: Petracca"

I'm not sure which part is the funniest of this post:
1/. Grundy for $400K meaning we pay $500K-$600K pa
2/. Jackson staying
3/. Picking on Petty
4/. Us trading Maynard
5/. Our 3 players being worth less than their 4 so we have to give a 1st rounder too
6/. Ruck line of Gawn, Grundy and Jackson
7/. Weideman on the bench after his is traded to us?
8/. Henry at FF
9/. Petracca the sub

Posts like these are why I love Bf trade threads

 

[mumblingpie]

Hopefully Grundy renegs and this can be buried

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

The salary cap savings that are talked about so much in the Grundy story don't make much sense to me. The salary figures for all players are unknown, the contribution Collingwood might make to a salary transfer is, as far as I can see, a guess by media figures, and the likely cost of players being considered is further guesswork.

Really good players are hard to find. When you get one, you try to keep him, and add to the stocks around him. You don't move him on in the hope that you can find as better one. In Grundy's case, there may be something in his game that McRae doesn't want in his team. This is a reason for moving him, if it exists, but a possibly slightly excessive contract is not.

I think back to the grand finals in which we were hammered out of the middle by sides with big ruckmen when we had lean mobile ones. I also note that we regularly get monstered in the middle with our current rucks, even though, like Grundy, they get the lion's share of the taps. This is clearly a problem for the midfielders, not for the ruckmen.

I will take a lot of convincing that there are solid reasons for disposing of Grundy, and the thought of paying another top player to perform for another club is truly disheartening. I just cannot see the gain in paying a third of his salary to gain a lesser player who has to be paid the remaining two thirds. Same money, weaker player!

I personally wouldn't believe the 300k reports you're seeing. Media always inflates the real numbers. I doubt Grundy is on a million a year either

Simple fact is, any club out there understands that they too would be paying Grundy similar money to us to have/keep him, so I'd wager any club that wants him now will be paying the vast majority of his contract to get a "peak age" ruckman.

Why are we getting rid of him? I've kinda outlined my thoughts on this before, but in the end, I still believe it's simply a case of us not getting our money's worth from him ultimately. I also suspect Grundy's contract could be an issue for our club's culture. This is just pure speculation on my behalf, but given McRae's background, I'm guessing he's (and Graeme Wright) building a culture of "you take unders to keep this team together" which makes the existence of Grundy's contract a potential thorn in the side going forward for future contract negotiations.

Graeme Wright came from Hawthorn where even Luke Hodge recently confirmed on radio that that was the culture at Hawthorn (which Buddy leaving seems to also confirm) and Fly came from both Brisbane (who obviously had a cap advantage back then) and Richmond (again, look how many players got squeezed out thanks to Martin and Lynch) where he understands the need to keep a successful team together requires financial sacrifice.

 

[No SPIN]

The point to Grundy leaving is to save cap space. Lycett $ plus still paying Grundy $ doesn't save cap space.

Lycett deal rumoured to be 5 years for $3M = $600K pa average

AFL trade news: West Coast choose not to match Port’s free agency offer for Scott Lycett

Eagles’ bid for Kelly boosted after letting Lycett walk to Port

www.foxsports.com.au

Grundy deal rumored to be 7 years for $7M with $950K pa average remaining

The Pies could soon have a complex problem. An easy answer would create a ‘lethal’ pairing

The Pies could soon have a $4.7m problem. This easy answer would create a ‘lethal’ pairing

www.foxsports.com.au

$600K for Lycett plus $300K to Grundy saves only ($50K).

I doubt Port would offer Lycett and a 1st in the first place let alone if we tried to pay less thn $300K pa.

great post mate - the sums don't add up.
And we haven't even seen how McCrae could potentially transform Grundy's game.

 

[KinderSmock]

JAY RANTALL.

Got two years. And debuted.

 

[neilk]

That would require Grundy and Pies to agree to terminate his contract. Let's put this in the unlikely basket.

Thought he was talking about Henry?