Waste of future trading?
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Stocker displayed absolutely nothing apart from hitting players hard after the ball has left the area… don’t get the interest
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In regards to the Weideman savagery a few pages back.
I remember:
Some were adamant that Leigh Brown is too slow can't play and had already failed at two clubs.
Some were adamant that Luke Ball was past it, too slow, can't kick over 30m.
Some were adamant that Chris Tarrant wasn't going to get form back, washed etc.
Some were adamant that Darren Jolly wasn't going to be our ruck savior and that we should look at younger options.
Some were adamant that Krakeour was too weak, one trick pony, wouldn't perform under Mick's boundary-line gameplan.
I'm not pointing fingers or insinuating that I know more, just saying I think we're too quick to write off how many factors contribute to players not reaching potential and how a change of environment, coach, playing circle etc. can genuinely be a huge key in unlocking what a lot of players HAVE, but haven't been able to SHOW. Even something as simple as a new coach that WANTS you in that first 22.
I remember:
Some were adamant that Leigh Brown is too slow can't play and had already failed at two clubs.
Some were adamant that Luke Ball was past it, too slow, can't kick over 30m.
Some were adamant that Chris Tarrant wasn't going to get form back, washed etc.
Some were adamant that Darren Jolly wasn't going to be our ruck savior and that we should look at younger options.
Some were adamant that Krakeour was too weak, one trick pony, wouldn't perform under Mick's boundary-line gameplan.
I'm not pointing fingers or insinuating that I know more, just saying I think we're too quick to write off how many factors contribute to players not reaching potential and how a change of environment, coach, playing circle etc. can genuinely be a huge key in unlocking what a lot of players HAVE, but haven't been able to SHOW. Even something as simple as a new coach that WANTS you in that first 22.
You can add Steak knives in there for the Beams deal.
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Perfect mate, better recent example!
Could Weideman possibly be a defender? Don't think he's ever been played as one since being drafted
I like to now refer to it as silver cutlery
Hopefully soon it will be Silverware. As in the Premiership kind.
In about 2 more pages Stocker will be compared to Dangerfield FMD !!!!!
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Yep, the dream is to bring in a youngish A grader when your in our position. Not C graders.....
Give me a spell.
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Stengle this year is a good example of what you're talking about.
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Absolute ripper of an example. Peter Wright up there aswell.
I'm not trying to be ridiculous about it but Titch is a lot slower than Sewell ever was and doesn't have the same sideways movement as he once did (following his leg fracture). His (Titch's) kicking is restricted (slow up and unders) and its one of the main reasons he kicks sideways and backwards so much, he HAS to safe kick. He's always had a quicker brain than Sewell and he will attract plenty of ball and use his great hands....but he's not going to get a team moving forward from stoppage quickly anymore (which is the way Sam Mitchell wants his team to play).
He is also limited position wise, he can only be of any benefit as an inside mid (admittedly something we lack) but he'll slow our transition every time he's involved in a chain.
If he was still a "valuable" inside mid...you don't think someone as astute about midfield play as Sam Mitchell would have kept him?
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There's obviously something happening with lists and salary cap because money is being found by a lot of clubs.
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We got into this position by recruiting players who would have been laughed off here. AJ, Gini, Noble and Cekkers all rookie picks. Cameron was a nobody, Lipinski wasn't good enough, Murphy was about to be delisted.
Carlton keep getting the available "a graders". Which season would you prefer? It doesn't matter how famous the players it doesn't matter the draft pick, it matters that we get better.
Ralph reporting JDG has had the old contract offer reinstated - 2 years guaranteed with automatic 2 year extension if behavioral clauses are met. $800k per year. JDG will stay.
Grundy - friends saying he is so motivated that he’s telling them he’ll win the Brownlow next year.
If he’s that motivated I would not trade him.
Grundy - friends saying he is so motivated that he’s telling them he’ll win the Brownlow next year.
If he’s that motivated I would not trade him.
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Some were adamant Pat Lipinski was a hopeless player and too slow.
Some were adamant Jamie Elliott was too short to be any good at footy.
Some were adamant Jack Ginnivan couldn't run, couldn't find the ball and was just a naughty boy.
Some were adamant Ash Johnson was overrated.
Some were adamant Nathan Murphy was a concussed cricketer.
Our list is filled with knocks on players' names. It's the beauty of sport: there's subjectivity in every corner and no right or wrong answer. Our recruiting department know more than we do about these players and that's why I have faith they'll try their best and hopefully make a good decision.
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Mitchell tried to fire sale every senior player last year. Mitchell's elite hands inside is what we need. Selwood, as slow as he was, had time and space in clearances last weekend.
AFL 2022: Latest trade, free agency and contract updates
Collingwood withdrew its contract offer to Jordan De Goey after his Bali antics, but the deal has been ticked off again by the Magpies’ board – with some key conditions.@RalphyHeraldSun
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September 5, 2022 - 6:00PM
Collingwood is preparing to put Jordan De Goey’s withdrawn contract back on the table in a deal which would offer him $3.2 million over four seasons if he avoids off-field controversy.
De Goey looked like the qualifying final matchwinner against Geelong with two classy goals in a stunning 26-possession eight-clearance, nine-tackle display until Gary Rohan’s late mark and goal won the game for Geelong.
The Herald Sun understands the Magpies are prepared to offer him the deal they took off the table after his Bali antics, which was a two-year guarantee with a behavioural trigger for a further two seasons.
Currently on a deal of around $750,000, De Goey would be handed a pay rise to $800,000 a season and, while that would not be the seven-figure salary he has hoped for, it would still be handsome reward for his on-field feats.
The Collingwood board is prepared to tick off that deal as long as the behavioural conditions are written into De Goey’s contract.
Jordan De Goey dominated against Geelong in the qualifying final. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images
The talks could kick off again as soon as next week if the Pies lose to Fremantle, with Collingwood having committed to postponing discussions until its season is over.
De Goey pleaded guilty to second degree harassment but dodged a conviction over last year’s New York nightclub incident and directed a $10,000 AFL fine to the Salvation Army.
He was also fined $25,000 (fully suspended) for pulling aside the top of a woman at a Bali nightclub as he revealed his ADHD diagnosis.
But Collingwood believes De Goey continues to make progress in his path towards avoiding some of the distractions that have seen him fail to maximise his eight-season career.
De Goey said after the Bali fine he was continuing to seek help for his diagnosis.
“Late last year, I was diagnosed with ADHD and I am trying to become more aware of why I make mistakes that I do. I have again made a mistake – this is an ongoing journey for me – and I remain absolutely committed to changing,” he said.
St Kilda’s incoming chief executive Simon Lethlean said recently the Saints board had approved the club’s desire to chase De Goey. Essendon was also reported as a potential suitor by the Sunday Herald Sun.
De Goey will have to decide whether to take a guaranteed contract, which could be worth up to $4 million over five years, or work for his contract security at the Pies.
Like Richmond’s Dustin Martin, De Goey has the rock star persona and brand appeal that means he will be richly rewarded over his career for playing at a big Melbourne club playing sold-out finals.
Jordan De Goey’s future remains up in the air. Picture: Michael Klein
He also believes Collingwood has a good chance of winning premierships in future seasons.
He posted on Instagram this weekend with a photo of the Collingwood team lining up for the national anthem before the Geelong final with the caption: “Brothers”.
De Goey missed training on Monday as he battles a sore AC joint, but is expected to play against Fremantle on Saturday night.
Collingwood’s $3 million, five-year free agency offer that will land Dan McStay is also looking a rosier proposition after his excellent performance in the ruck against Richmond.
Brodie Grundy looks increasingly likely to move to a rival club, with Melbourne the strong favourite, so the Pies will need to develop a ruck battery in his absence.
Darcy Cameron, Mason Cox and forward-ruck Nathan Kreuger will be joined by McStay, with Adelaide’s Billy Frampton also likely to join the club and capable of playing ruck as well as key posts up forward and in defence.
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Difference is that the club were actually interested in those players. Is there anything pointing towards us being interested in Weed other that one single unsubstantiated BF rumour?
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Nope none at all, more a sentimental post.
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