List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[sr36]

Exactly. The example falls over if the reports of McStay's contract value and length are accurate. The whole idea of Moneyball was finding these gems on comparatively cheap deals. That McStay deal is at (if we're being kind) or over market value. Moneyball is also tough in an AFL context because there are far fewer players to analyse and a much different trade system.

At the heart of moneyball is recruiters valuing the right things. That team got an advantage against the opposition because the other teams were overpaying for the wrong things. Thus the important stats were relatively cheaper. If bringing the ball to ground is an undervalued stat, it's a moneyball situation. However, I don't think it holds, as his salary rumours suggest that it's a skill that is only undervalued by us supporters and not the respective list managers.

 

[neilk]

Yep, really surprised tbh.

Is he a risk with his knee problems?

 

[NMBB]

That statement was debunked when he had 3 votes against us in a brownlow winning year. Bucks was a stubborn coach, like MM. refused to admit his strategies were ever flawed

So it would appear

 

[loki04]

Sen on Stocker delisting; Discusses football abilities not up to scratch, mental health (A shame, possibly linked to the expectations Re: drafting process) and lack of speed/ athleticism.

Further details revealed on Carlton's Stocker chopping

“The bottom line is...”

www.sen.com.au

I don't know about the other stuff but the bolded is a joke. A lot worse footballers then him getting games.

 

[loki04]

Ben Brown didn't go at any pick in his draft year, or the next few years. Wasn't drafted until 21.

Yes he was drafted at 21 at pick 47 I'd consider that his draft as in he didn't go rookie listed or mature recruit.

He entered the draft.

I guess I should of said went undrafted for 3 years then entered the draft and went pick 47, then years after contended for multiple Coleman's with many 2nd places to Jezza Cameron.

 

[loki04]

Or he may just lean on Bolton for information who would know him better than Voss.

Hopefully he also speaks with the young man himself, sometimes players don't respond to one coach but excel under another.

 

[Apex36]

I don't disagree. I'd be interested in getting Melbourne involved with Grundy and a three club trade.

Pies lose: Brodie Grundy, CW 2023 first round selection, CW 2022 third round selection
Pies get: Darcy Parish, Melb 2022 second round selection

Demons lose: FRE 2022 first round selection, MEL 2022 second round selection
Demons get: Brodie Grundy, ESS 2022 third round selection

Bombers lose: Darcy Parish, 2022 third round selection
Bombers get: FRE 2022 first round selection, CW 2023 first round selection

It’s posts like these that make me angry that there’s no thumbs down buttons anymore. Grundy, a first and a third for Parish and a likely late second is a ****ing awful outcome.

 

[soreplums]

Part of me wonders if we should be having a look at Adam Tomlinson as part of the deal should Grundy go to Melbourne?

I'd be ok getting Weideman, Tomlinson and a pick in the deal. Both add valuable depth (at minimum) at both ends and Tomlinson has even shown he can have a run in the middle as a big bodied mid in spurts.

i can’t believe I’m saying this again, but I’ve got a full body condom on this time. As part of the trade we should ask for H…H… Har…… I can’t say it. We should get the bloke whose old man smashed a ball back into play from 4 rows back in the stands in the ‘79 GF.

 

[soreplums]

Hope where the Darcy Parish smoke is there's a little fire. Better than Mitchell and much younger. He's everything we need in an inside midfielder

What’s the smoke?

 

[soreplums]

Going to Hawks might get us Mitchell even cheaper

I’d prefer him, but depending on trade capital, Mitchell might do

 

[soreplums]

That video said he was linked to Hawks at 20 seconds. I'd definitely have him. He's RFA next year. It's interesting Hopper and Parish may leave a year out from free agency. That may be a new trend.

Ive been saying this for years

 

[manicpie]

i can’t believe I’m saying this again, but I’ve got a full body condom on this time. As part of the trade we should ask for H…H… Har…… I can’t say it. We should get the bloke whose old man smashed a ball back into play from 4 rows back in the stands in the ‘79 GF.

Is he available? I have him in a heartbeat

 

[KJpie]

I don't know about the other stuff but the bolded is a joke. A lot worse footballers then him getting games.

Bit of a copout from the Blues for mine, their basically admitting that they failed to do due diligence on Stocker when they drafted him if he wasn't athletically up to it. Just BS
He looked a bit heavy in parts however missing 2020 with mental health issues would explain that.
Hope the kid can get well & gets another shot, maybe as a DFA or SSP.

 

[soreplums]

Is he available? I have him in a heartbeat

Contracted 2024

 

[manicpie]

Bit of a copout from the Blues for mine, their basically admitting that they failed to do due diligence on Stocker when they drafted him if he wasn't athletically up to it.
He looked a bit heavy in parts however missing 2020 with health issues would explain that.
Hope the kid can get well & gets another shot, maybe as a DFA or SSP.

Carlton have quite a few players on really big money and they are quite possibly going to lose McKay next year or even Walsh. Both contracts expire next year and they won 't be able to fit both. Stocker is just a salary dump, good player but excess to needs(and played out of position). They will need to get rid of a couple more players like McGovern. I would take a shot on Stocker, he can play inside mid very well

 

[JuniorB]

What’s the smoke?

High THC weed.

 

[KJpie]

Carlton have quite a few players on really big money and they are quite possibly going to lose McKay next year or even Walsh. Both contracts expire next year and they won 't be able to fit both. Stocker is just a salary dump, good player but excess to needs(and played out of position). They will need to get rid of a couple more players like McGovern. I would take a shot on Stocker, he can play inside mid very well

Would come cheap & for the price of a list spot, still hard to pull the trigger after the Beams disaster with his mental health issues. Thus the SSP suggestion.
I would be shocked if it was a salary dump as he wouldn't have been on much coin at the Bloos.
I thought it was poor form to go public on his mental health issues. Thought that should have been kept in house.

 

[KinderSmock]

It’s posts like these that make me angry that there’s no thumbs down buttons anymore. Grundy, a first and a third for Parish and a likely late second is a ******* awful outcome.

Agreed.

Parish is good but not for the house, land package and second mortgage. I don't think we'll be engaging in a three way swap to get Grundy to Melbourne, either. Jackson might even be staying so that throws a spanner in the works.

 

[manicpie]

What’s the smoke?

OG Kush, I believe

 

[KJpie]

What’s the smoke?

Rumoured Parish wants out possibly to Hawks

 

[LuckyLee]

Why wouldn’t the Blues seek to trade Stocker for a pick rather than just cutting him loose?

Seems very strange. Perhaps a bit more to the story than we know?


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[Pragmatic Shill]

Why wouldn’t the Blues seek to trade Stocker for a pick rather than just cutting him loose?

Seems very strange. Perhaps a bit more to the story than we know?


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I would assume they would have sought to gauge interest from other clubs before making the call.

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[brysie]

Grundy is not an AA ruckman. That was 3 years ago ffs. Just like how Hannebury is no longer an AA wingman.

Timelines, form and age matter when we are talking trades….

He's a dual All Australian - that's a fact. Whether he makes another All Australian team in the future is pure speculation.

Reputations, just like form and age, also matter when talking trades. Each factor is a risk that a team will weigh up when deciding firstly whether to acquire a player, as well as the cost of that acquisition.

Luke Hodge, Grant Birchall, Sam Mitchell are all examples of players who were recruited after Brisbane and West Coast undertook a risk/reward analysis, as was Hanneberry following St Kilda's risk/reward assessment.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Some were adamant Pat Lipinski was a hopeless player and too slow.

Some were adamant Jamie Elliott was too short to be any good at footy.

Some were adamant Jack Ginnivan couldn't run, couldn't find the ball and was just a naughty boy.

Some were adamant Ash Johnson was overrated.

Some were adamant Nathan Murphy was a concussed cricketer.

Our list is filled with knocks on players' names. It's the beauty of sport: there's subjectivity in every corner and no right or wrong answer. Our recruiting department know more than we do about these players and that's why I have faith they'll try their best and hopefully make a good decision.

But Weideman has been in the AFL since 2016 - 7 years. It's not like there hasn't been time to adequately assess his worth as a player.

 

[tranquilli lace]

But Weideman has been in the AFL since 2016 - 7 years. It's not like there hasn't been time to adequately assess his worth as a player.

Same reason I have big doubts on Billy Frampton. 8 years in the system.