List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Better off looking for the next Ceglar or Lynch

We have Begg in development.

Lynch and Ceglar have played two career games in total for Collingwood. Not sure why you suggest we need more of them instead of somebody who can actually back up as an immediate forward or ruck.

 

[Anzacday]

Neither the AFL nor Collingwood have tweeted about the Kreuger trade which means it's not official yet.
The good news out of that is TradeDraft is back in the race.

Edit: Seconds later and now it has...

 

[Masked Magician]

Graham Wright. Reputation. Everyone knows how he operates and Respects him. Yep, bolded and underlined as this is a key aspect of negotiations.

We are so bloody lucky to have him.

 

[Apex36]

Can you walk us through how this provides them leverage?

Genuinely made me laugh out loud when I read it

 

[OniAu]

I think thats an ongoing issue for us. They will come for him continually if he continues to look the goods. Geelong is home, his brother is there and they both surf. Much more likely he goes to Geelong than jack comes to us if the brothers ever play together.

An issue why ? How many sets of brothers have actually asked for trades to their brothers club where both have been best 22 and played numerous games.

I think fans/media really overlook the bonds built with the other players at the clubs. Those are hard to break to pry a player away, sure a paycheck is one thing. But we will always hopefully be paying him what he is worth. We are building a great core of young kids to build this team , that would be something hard to walk away from.

Why stress ourselves over something that is hear say.

 

[Jafo]

Neither the AFL nor Collingwood have tweeted about the Kreuger trade which means it's not official yet.
The good news out of that is TradeDraft is back in the race.

Edit: Seconds later and now it has...

 

[manicmagpie]

Updated with the Kreuger trade



We have 2,735 points - a surplus of 335 for the worst case Daicos scenario. This means we can currently give the WB any one of picks 46, 48, 55 or 58 for Lipinski and still be good to match pick 1.

*Among many other scenarios and ignoring whether we get any points this year for any of our trade outs

 

[Gone Critical]

An issue why ? How many sets of brothers have actually asked for trades to their brothers club where both have been best 22 and played numerous games.

I think fans/media really overlook the bonds built with the other players at the clubs. Those are hard to break to pry a player away, sure a paycheck is one thing. But we will always hopefully be paying him what he is worth. We are building a great core of young kids to build this team , that would be something hard to walk away from.

Why stress ourselves over something that is hear say.

More than brothers. Geelong is home, the team he supported and he surfs. As a package it would have attraction. Not stressing over it just observing. If we look like we can have success that helps for sure.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Just hearing some guy from the HS say Lipinski will be the steal of the trade period. What are they doing, trying to jack his price up??......

 

[CasuallyDressed]

Just hearing some guy from the HS day Lipinski will be the steal of the trade period. What are they doing, trying to jack his price up??......

Ofc they are.

 

[sr36]

Genuinely made me laugh out loud when I read it

THat's because you'r closed minded and not open to alternate views.


Out of curiosity, what situation would you call a neutral or only slightly leverage-tilted trade, or do you think they don't exist?

 

[lenny&carl]

Updated with the Kreuger trade

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We have 2,735 points - a surplus of 335 for the worst case Daicos scenario. This means we can currently give the WB any one of picks 46, 48, 55 or 58 for Lipinski and still be good to match pick 1.

*Among many other scenarios and ignoring whether we get any points this year for any of our trade outs

Very useful thanks. I wonder at what pick we would be free to trade out pick 22, and pay for daicos with the later picks?

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

l

Lipinski’s shoulders look small compared to Nathan’s in that photo.

 

[Gabbo64]

Graham Wright. Reputation. Everyone knows how he operates and Respects him. Yep, bolded and underlined as this is a key aspect of negotiations.

We are so bloody lucky to have him.

He's one of us. Should have always had him.

 

[Mick F]

An issue why ? How many sets of brothers have actually asked for trades to their brothers club where both have been best 22 and played numerous games.

I think fans/media really overlook the bonds built with the other players at the clubs. Those are hard to break to pry a player away, sure a paycheck is one thing. But we will always hopefully be paying him what he is worth. We are building a great core of young kids to build this team , that would be something hard to walk away from.

Why stress ourselves over something that is hear say.

Sounds like you’ve played football.

 

[Seedsfan]

We have Begg in development.

Lynch and Ceglar have played two career games in total for Collingwood. Not sure why you suggest we need more of them instead of somebody who can actually back up as an immediate forward or ruck.

Begg is more of a forward especially being sub 200

Because Ceglar and Lynch are very capable back ups. If we keep Cox as depth for one year then we will be looking for a back up next year

 

[jhr8]

Everything seems to be working out now.

After the doom and gloom we have a whole new coaching team, made an early trade to get points for Daicos, Kruger done for the equivalent of a pick in the 50s and just need to find the right pick for Lipinski. Hopefully we can look to trade 22 for a similar pick or even in the teens next year.

With Wright in charge I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we end up with Krueger, Lipinski, Daicos, Dib and 2 picks inside the top 20ish next draft.

Whatever happens - It’s nice to feel so positive about the club again. We really needed a full reset off the field and it’s working wonders already.

 

[OniAu]

Sounds like you’ve played football.

I bruise like a peach. I wish i did/could

Ashamedly played Badminton my saturdays hahha

 

[Rusty Beam]

It seemed pretty optimistic to me, but it’d be a pretty decent outcome! For those not playing at home he discussed the likes of Melbourne, Port and Geelong coming at it with their 2022 1st.

I think it’s a bit too optimistic too.

Personally I see us splitting it across both drafts. Reckon we’ll get a pick in the mid second rounder this year for Daicos and a future second next year. With Richmond or Geelong the likely buyers.

Essentially turning one future second rounder into two.

 

[manicmagpie]

Very useful thanks. I wonder at what pick we would be free to trade out pick 22, and pay for daicos with the later picks?

Right now it's pick 3, which is where I'm tipping Daicos to go. If we get some points back for Lynch or whatever we might be ok with pick 2.

 

[Apex36]

THat's because you'r closed minded and not open to alternate views.


Out of curiosity, what situation would you call a neutral or only slightly leverage-tilted trade, or do you think they don't exist?

No, it’s because the idea that one party wanting to buy a low value asset from the other makes that asset more valuable suddenly is ludicrous.

It’s like me walking in to Aldi and grabbing something off the shelf and taking it to the register only to be told by the cashier that it’s price has gone up by 20% because I want it.

And don’t try to convince me they want to keep him because ‘3 years’. Don’t you find it a little conspicuous that the media aren’t reporting an actual figure, which they usually do? They offered him a peanuts contract for 3 years because they wanted to give the impression that they’re upset at losing him. Hine probably would have fallen for it too, hopefully Wright doesn’t.

 

[snagbreac]

It’s where my mind would go if it didn’t contradict Ralph’s comments that Geelong were happy to let him get him to Collingwood. I mean if you’re happy to let him go are you really quibbling over a pick in the 40’s v 50’s?



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[Timmy from Thomastown]

Begg is more of a forward especially being sub 200

Because Ceglar and Lynch are very capable back ups. If we keep Cox as depth for one year then we will be looking for a back up next year

That’s fine. Maybe in 2023 we will have a Better set of key forwards than Cameron and he can revert to being the backup ruck.

As I said, ceglar and Lynch played two games for us in total so unclear to me why you think plucking another first year player out of nowhere will be any better depth than Cox.

He wll be more than adequate for a year. Maybe more, who knows.

Retain Cox and recruit another next generation 200 cm project player ... but don’t expect this kid to be immediate depth.

( this is all assuming lynch leaves which is not set in stone yet)

 

[South of the Yarra]

Don’t stress about brothers. I am happy for Jackson Macrae

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26

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96kg

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to request trades to Collingwood

 

[sr36]

No, it’s because the idea that one party wanting to buy a low value asset from the other makes that assert more valuable suddenly is ludicrous.

It’s like me walking in to Aldi and grabbing something off the shelf and taking it to the register only to be told by the cashier that it’s price has gone up by 20% because I want it.

And don’t try to convince me they want to keep him because ‘3 years’. Don’t you find it a little conspicuous that the media aren’t reporting an actual figure, which they usually do? They offered him a peanuts contract for 3 years because they wanted to give the impression that they’re upset at losing him. Hine probably would have fallen for it too, hopefully Wright doesn’t.

Aldi buys products because they want to sell them - this is an asset that Dogs wanted to keep, so not a great analogy.

Basically, we want him and we've convinced him to nominate us - we don't want the trade to fall through because both of those have what we would consider negative consequences - we either lose the player or we redue the likelihood of future players nominating us. Trade will get done for a price that both bparties are comfortable with - there will be no fleecing in either direction.

I'll ask again - what trade scenario do you consider neutral?