List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[JLC]

Love all the faux bravado from people in their negotiation strategies. Big talk is easy from the sidelines.

Why the hell would you not do further pick swaps if it helps us get the deal we want? This is not a pissing competition.

The Dogs are losing Lipinski either way. We have the upoer hand for once.

What did the Dogs do to help us re treloar? What did Kangaroos do to help us re Stevo? How did Hawthorn help us with Phillips?

 

[The Young Chevalier]

Possibly the first & only time I've had any sort of intel. Mate of a brother type thing but I know someone who knows Pat Naish and he reckons the Pies are keen to get him in as a DFA. Take with a grain of salt and all that, just passing on what my mate was telling.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Possibly the first & only time I've had any sort of intel. Mate of a brother type thing but I know someone who knows Pat Naish and he reckons the Pies are keen to get him in as a DFA. Take with a grain of salt and all that, just passing on what my mate was telling.

Cheers, that backs this article up …

Delisted Tiger hopes for AFL lifeline after 'pretty positive' chats

Former Richmond father-son Patrick Naish hasn't given up on returning to an AFL list in 2022

www.afl.com.au

 

[tranquilli lace]

Possibly the first & only time I've had any sort of intel. Mate of a brother type thing but I know someone who knows Pat Naish and he reckons the Pies are keen to get him in as a DFA. Take with a grain of salt and all that, just passing on what my mate was telling.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least with Fly & Leppa's knowledge of him.

 

[stormskye]

maybe naish can take nobles spot. We need less turnover kings

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Where did I say threat? And why would he be raising the PSD himself in an interview? That would be amateurish.

Exactly what I thought when I read that post.

He knows it'll be asked.

That's some Shade Smooth Operator shit right there!

How refreshing.

 

[Ingy]

Exactly what I thought when I read that post.

He knows it'll be asked.

That's some Shade Smooth Operator sh*t right there!

How refreshing.

Coast to coast, LA to Chicago

 

[sr36]

Where did I say threat? And why would he be raising the PSD himself in an interview? That would be amateurish.

Agree, but the flipside is why would he deny the PSD possibility, regardless of whether Lipinski has given him the option? And why would Lipinski’s manager give him the option at this stage of negotiations?

To me all he said was its a possibilty, as it's what is going to drive the price down.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Eg. the PSD threat that many seem to think we own- that card is owned by Lipinski not Collingwood.

No it's owned by Pies & Penske file.

Just like GW used it this morning subtly.

Lapenske might've not given permission, or maybe he did or he can't get upset with the club or GW because he didn't actually threaten the PSD.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Coast to coast, LA to Chicago

That’s the old Route 66

Would have been way cool back in the day. These days its a tired sad old piece of kitch Americana.

 

[partypie]

Possibly the first & only time I've had any sort of intel. Mate of a brother type thing but I know someone who knows Pat Naish and he reckons the Pies are keen to get him in as a DFA. Take with a grain of salt and all that, just passing on what my mate was telling.

Cheers, that backs this article up …

Delisted Tiger hopes for AFL lifeline after 'pretty positive' chats

Former Richmond father-son Patrick Naish hasn't given up on returning to an AFL list in 2022

www.afl.com.au

I'd guess that would have to be as an SSP selection after the draft, as we're not likely to have any room for DFA signings before the draft with the number of low-value picks (5-6) we'll likely have in hand for bid matching come the day of the ND.

 

[sr36]

No it's owned by Pies & Penske file.

Just like GW used it this morning subtly.

Lapenske might've not given permission, or maybe he did or he can't get upset with the club or GW because he didn't actually threaten the PSD.

Agree. It's a threat hanging over the Dogs.

But unless the manager is poor, he's noncommital about what will happen if no trade occurs. He wants a trade. So he wants the Dogs to be worried that they will get nothing if Lipinski plays that card and thus drop the price. And he wants us to be worried about not getting Lipinski if a trade doesn't happen, so we raise our price closer to our maximum price.

 

[inxs88]

While we got junk picks for Witts for f/s points it was still more than a pick in the 50s. We netted 44 & 62, which in terms of points works out as pick 37.

The annoying thing with the Witts deal is we didn't get one of GC's picks in the 20s, which was around his worth. Lynch I have slightly lower at mid 30s.

We only got J Daicos (and C Brown)

 

[grayza2018]

Sorry if mentioned already (I missed it in prior pages if so), but could we get onto St Kilda for a future 2nd pick? They don't seem to be doing much this trade period, and need points for Owens and Windhager, could we sling them a couple of these picks we hold, to help them out. Especially if we do a deal with Richmond for pick 27 for more picks our way?

But on the other hand, if we bring in a future 2nd again does that heighten our fear of seeing future first get dealt at some point?! Draft night as a live trade, or prior

 

[partypie]

My post wasn’t really a reference of comparison to Daicos, or anyone for that matter. It was just in response to a few posters who seem to be going way overboard on JHF hype that he hasn’t necessarily earned this year save for maybe a couple of standout games.

Overall his numbers are underwhelming for someone people are describing as a ‘generational talent’.

Oh he's clearly not a generational talent. Might get off to a fast start in 2022 though which will keep the plaudits rolling in.

Personally I'm thinking we might see one of the weaker draft crops we've had in a while when all is said and done, as the lack of football (or even training / physcial development) for many of these kids over their final two years of junior footy almost certainly has to be a factor in holding back their development as footballers to some degree.

 

[Rusty Beam]

he can, but the difference to his big games and quiet games is a fair bit. Works on that, he is a jet. I don’t blame Adelaide one bit, home grown talent, remember, that have lost a fair few these past few years, a player the public can genuinely get excited about, just like we are with Daicos. I see him more in the Dangerfield mould, but a much better kick.

I don’t disagree regarding home grown talent and Adelaides desire. Particularly given the hype around JHF.

I’m also really struggling with these Dangerfield and Fyfe comparisons.

Sure he’s got some similar traits (mainly that acceleration from stoppage), but would Dangerfield be able to play the same combativeness, if he was 2 inches shorter and significantly lighter? As JHF probably will be. Likewise Fyfe?

It will be an interesting watch this space IMO.

Also there are plenty of things JHF is great at, kicking definitely isn’t one of them. I’d say it is actually on a very similar to Dangerfield.

 

[Countrypie]

Agree. It's a threat hanging over the Dogs.

But unless the manager is poor, he's noncommital about what will happen if no trade occurs. He wants a trade. So he wants the Dogs to be worried that they will get nothing if Lipinski plays that card and thus drop the price. And he wants us to be worried about not getting Lipinski if a trade doesn't happen, so we raise our price closer to our maximum price.

But...I'm getting the vibe from GW that he doesn't care. That's the game he' playing and i doubt he's gong to move very far. If at all.

 

[inxs88]

One of the worst players I've ever seen.. I kid you not.. I'm still having nightmares of him playing at FF.. gives hope to any aspiring Afl players who have had a good crack at it on Playstation and that re.. awful player.

He may have played the single worst game for the Pies against the Gold Coast in 2018 when he had 10 possessions and 9 clangers. Three weeks later Hine gave him a two year extension.

 

[sr36]

But...I'm getting the vibe from GW that he doesn't care. That's the game he' playing and i doubt he's gong to move very far. If at all.

He's a cool dude. But my money is on us trading him for more than pick 58, if that's what we started with.

 

[regpies]

Who would North take pick 1 in PSD?

After the reaming that Ned Guy allowed the Dogs to give us last year I’m all for getting Lipinski in the PSD as a very small amount of payback.

 

[magpies42]

LMAO, you can’t knock Daicos based off that position alone, in the limited sample of games we have seen from Daicos against men, he has been spectacular. Head to head with JHF, he has annihilated him.
I don’t really care either way as we get Daicos regardless but to use the fact JHF played well in a final to assume a better position than Daicos who hasn’t been afforded that opportunity due to COVID, makes no sense at all.
Too many people suffer from recency bias.

Daicos’ VFL performance was no where near as dominant. The fact Adelaide offered three first round picks to get Horne suggests he is something special.

 

[regpies]

You said clubs don't walk players to PSD because they want to preserve relationships, embarrassingly forgetting about Hately last year.

You're now saying lets walk him to the PSD. What about the so-called 'relationship' we have with the WB? Not worth preserving now?

If I should improve my reading comprehension, maybe you should get your memory loss checked.

After last year I don’t know how anyone can think we have a ‘relationship’ with the Bulldogs. Same with GWS, aside from bidding on IQ they have given away players for nothing to so many teams but we always pay maximum price with them.

 

[Prochard123]

So what happens if we trade pick 27 to Richmond for 38, 42, 47? Will we be able to make any selection in addition to Daicos/Dib?

We'd have 3066 points, assuming Daicos bid comes at pick 3, with discount we cough up 1787 points (using up 36, 38, 42, 43, 46), leaving us with 1279 points.

If we trade 55 & 58 for Lipinski, we'd still have 47 & 48 to make 2 selections? Am I missing something here?

 

[Mongo Ming]

Was thinking a future third from Hawks may be a reasonable return for Lynch, as they will be rubbish in 2022.

Then bundle our 2 future thirds to try to get back into the second round next year.

 

[Gone Critical]

Although fast on its way to becoming - this is not the NBA. If a player doesn't want to go somewhere rarely do the club or clubs go against this. PSD threat very much there still! walk Lipinski via the PSD!!

True it’s rare but there are also very few instances where it’s a viable option also. I would think the AFL would prefer for the integrity of the system that would happen if NM wanted Lipinski

After all it’s an open draft and if a player puts themselves into it they should expect they can be picked up by a team other than the one of their choice and in that instance would be happy to go where they were picked.

I don’t think clubs would be unwilling to pull that trigger if the situation arises and nor should they. Lipinski says he has no gripe with the dogs but wants gametime . NM can offer that as well as us