List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[sr36]

Ralphy has written another article where he is very concerned on our behalf of the list profile.

We should have traded all our good players. Won the trade week. Then won the draft and the list profile flag and then we could top it off with a back to back spoon.

 

[adammania9]

Wow just wow… has anyone seen the fox article of the “winners” and “ losers” of trade period…

Have a read and love to see your thoughts as to what I am getting at!!

Ps for some reason I can’t paste the link… try the below if it works?

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Hawthorn paid a solid price for Barrass - a very good defender
Collingwood paid a good price for Houston - an elite player, and better in his position relative to Barrass

Both sides signed free agents on near identical contracts. Both are above average players in their position but not particularly elite. Both have been recruited to play multiple roles. Their B&F finishes are fairly comparable throughout their careers.

Hawthorn makes the winners list. Collingwood don't.

???

 

[NMBB]

Hawthorn paid a solid price for Barrass - a very good defender
Collingwood paid a good price for Houston - an elite player, and better in his position relative to Barrass

Both sides signed free agents on near identical contracts. Both are above average players in their position but not particularly elite. Both have been recruited to play multiple roles. Their B&F finishes are fairly comparable throughout their careers.

Hawthorn makes the winners list. Collingwood don't.

???

Article written by Dunstall, Lewis, Hodge et al?

 

[Jen2310]

Ralphy gone off here too lol

It is the three-word slogan that will haunt Collingwood’s 2025 season or put them on the brink of a stunning Magpie dynasty.
Players not picks.

At the end of a godforsaken, interminable 10-day trade period that finally caught fire in its final 10 minutes, Collingwood’s approach was the dramatic outrider.

They went all in as clubs instead banked picks in what could be a rare AFL superdraft.

Collingwood again tossed away a future first-round pick like confetti and burnt $1.7m-plus in newly-acquired cap space to secure dual All-Australian Dan Houston

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Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

and half-back flanker Harry Perryman

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Harry Perryman

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

.

Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

Age

51

Ht

176cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

, author of that famous quick-fix phrase, will believe Houston is a defensive game-changer and Perryman the jack-of-all-trades that will justify his $900,000 free agency price tag.

By this time next year the decision to give up so much draft capital will be boom or bust.

The Pies could have their second flag in three seasons in what might be seen in hindsight as a masterstroke of list management.

From there, the consequences be damned.

Or they could be retiring a long list of premiership stalwarts – Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Howe, Hoskin-Elliott, Mitchell – and have very little in the way of elite young talent to replace those Pies flag heroes.

That decision might not be so stark if by the end of the 10-day period so many rivals had not chosen this moment to stock up on picks in one of the best drafts since the famed 2001 mega-draft.



Richmond secured footy’s best non-expansion draft hand with no other option left as list boss Blair Hartley collected a stunning array of picks – 1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20, 23 and 24.

Port Adelaide’s deal for Houston looks unders and yet by the time they take at least three quality picks they can drag themselves out of deep waters, especially if they turn the Suns’ pick 13 into Sydney’s 19 and 22.

Carlton had a golden chance to secure Houston …. and declined as they instead went back to the draft.

It was so un-Carlton-like and yet a decision that will only extend their premiership window years into the future.

So the Pies are on watch, as rivals hear the murmurings about whether CEO Craig Kelly will be too involved in the football side of business with a new footy boss yet to be appointed and president Jeff Browne with one foot out the door.

Rivals might wonder if the Pies, like Richmond in 2001, have traded out of a superdraft in a decision that might bite them on the arse.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trades-2024-collingwoods-approach-dramatic-outlier-in-chaotic-trade-period/news-story/1ad373cc3962bccfcac68743920416f6

 

[lones37]

To be truthful, I'd "prefer" to be Richmond than us. Not because they're in a better position, but because they're going for a near full rebuild. I don't think they are necessarily more successful, but I find them more enjoyable as a fan.

The circumstances under which Nick arrived meant that a full rebuild wasn't really possible and likely won't be till the tail end of his career or after. Even then we may make different choices. We got a flag out of it and are a chance of another or more, so the quotes around prefer are real.

You don't rebuild when you have Nick Daicos on your list who is already playing like he is 27.

Chips in, flag chance every year, no one will win a flag by having 8 draft picks, just like GC and GWS keep proving.

The best method is to allow other clubs to develop players and then grab them via trade or FA, you just draft one or two players and attack the market.

And that is exactly what we will do, next year will have the space to get someone on huge money, and we will do that every year, whilst still drafting one or two players for need.

Look at the other teams like Melbourne, Essendon, Port, etc, they are going to the draft because they know they are not able to compete with the bets teams due to a lack of talent, especially Essendon, aside from Merrett they have no class at all.

We ain't doing that, ever.

 

[TradeDraft]

This trade period really highlighted the bias the journalists have, especially when collingwood is involved.
It is true what they say, sometimes when someone pats you on your back , what they really are doing is looking for a soft spot to stick the knife.
Seems like they have completely forgotten that we had a horrendous injury list as one point and only missed out on the 8 by percentage.Think we had the most points for a 9th placed team in AFL history.

Media/Jurno's are the Biggest Losers in this Trade Period

 

[gouki88]

Ralphy gone off here too lol

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trades-2024-collingwoods-approach-dramatic-outlier-in-chaotic-trade-period/news-story/1ad373cc3962bccfcac68743920416f6

When were we ever “in” the super draft?

 

[Fat Jesus]

Ralphy gone off here too lol

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trades-2024-collingwoods-approach-dramatic-outlier-in-chaotic-trade-period/news-story/1ad373cc3962bccfcac68743920416f6

Ralph = biggest loser in history.
The end

 

[Black_White]

Are we there yet?

 

[gerryg400]

Ralphy gone off here too lol

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trades-2024-collingwoods-approach-dramatic-outlier-in-chaotic-trade-period/news-story/1ad373cc3962bccfcac68743920416f6

How does Carlton “extend their premiership window years into the future.” by trading out 2 years worth of draft picks for a single 18 yo? What a brainless knob.

 

[celestial]

Does anyone remember when the last time a draft was last dubbed the "super draft" before it actually happened ?

 

[Jen2310]

When were we ever “in” the super draft?

Yeah, tbf to the club our first pick was 36
But suppose, could have gotten higher if we traded our F1 for some picks in the first round this year.

 

[Jen2310]

Does anyone remember when the last time a draft was last dubbed the "super draft" before it actually happened ?

2018? was deemed a super draft I believe. Or was it 2019, I get those two drafts mixed up lol

 

[sr36]

Hawthorn paid a solid price for Barrass - a very good defender
Collingwood paid a good price for Houston - an elite player, and better in his position relative to Barrass

Both sides signed free agents on near identical contracts. Both are above average players in their position but not particularly elite. Both have been recruited to play multiple roles. Their B&F finishes are fairly comparable throughout their careers.

Hawthorn makes the winners list. Collingwood don't.

???

I think the Hawks overpaid for Barrass and overloaded on tall defenders. Frost, and Scrimshaw were good this year.

 

[3rdMan]

When were we ever “in” the super draft?

Started at pick 36, will end up with an earliest pick of 40 something.

It's an odd fascination they have. What they're advocating is for us to allow two decent players to depart and bring in nothing but picks. Additionally bringing forward our F1 so we could get a good pick or picks in this draft. They're suggesting we go backwards next year.

That's not a Premiership window move. Not when the alternative is to bring in a 2x AA player. If there wasn't much available by trade maybe we would have went with picks, but with Houston as an option there was never any other choice.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Ralphy gone off here too lol

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trades-2024-collingwoods-approach-dramatic-outlier-in-chaotic-trade-period/news-story/1ad373cc3962bccfcac68743920416f6

Carlton had a golden chance to secure Houston …. and declined as they instead went back to the draft.

It was so un-Carlton-like and yet a decision that will only extend their premiership window years into the future.

I find this bizarre. Carlton have picks 3, 38, 63, 68, 69, 72. So pick 3 & 38 is extending their premiership window years? No pressure kids.

 

[Jen2310]

I've heard Reef has signed a 1 year extension.

 

[manicpie]

Carlton had a golden chance to secure Houston …. and declined as they instead went back to the draft.

It was so un-Carlton-like and yet a decision that will only extend their premiership window years into the future.

I find this bizarre. Carlton have picks 3, 38, 63, 68, 69, 72. So pick 3 & 38 is extending their premiership window years? No pressure kids.

Ralfs an idiot

 

[stormskye]

Ralph = biggest loser in history.
wThe end

My favourites

“They went all in“: no we didn’t. Perryman is 25 and Houston 27. If he is so obsessed with draft picks he would note that Perryman is one, pick 14.

“Collingwood again tossed away a future first-round pick like confetti” .. traded a future first for a dual AA defender, highest rated in the league.

“By this time next year the decision to give up so much draft capital will be boom or bust” what? last time I checked Houston and Perryman are playing longer than 1 season

“It was so un-Carlton-like and yet a decision that will only extend their premiership window years into the future” . The irony is Carlton are the ones that went all in, on pick 3. They’ve traded everything on someone that could be paddy dow.

How much this guy hates us is amazing. Talk about rent free

 

[TradeDraft]

Does anyone remember when the last time a draft was last dubbed the "super draft" before it actually happened ?

Most Years

 

[nahnah]

2018? was deemed a super draft I believe. Or was it 2019, I get those two drafts mixed up lol

Was 2018 and it’s proven to be a strong draft but like every draft ever there are still first round busts

 

[Jen2310]

Was 2018 and it’s proven to be a strong draft but like every draft ever there are still first round busts

Thats always gonna happen, not every 1st rounder will work out. No draft is perfect.

 

[stormskye]

I think the Hawks overpaid for Barrass and overloaded on tall defenders. Frost, and Scrimshaw were good this year.

If we paid up that for 29 year old KPP with back issues the media would meltdown

 

[3rdMan]

Carlton had a golden chance to secure Houston …. and declined as they instead went back to the draft.

It was so un-Carlton-like and yet a decision that will only extend their premiership window years into the future.

I find this bizarre. Carlton have picks 3, 38, 63, 68, 69, 72. So pick 3 & 38 is extending their premiership window years? No pressure kids.

A draft pick extends their window how? Their other top players will have retired by the time pick 3 is hitting his peak.

The moves we made are what extends a window, that's why we made them. Blues have reduced their window by not improving their list for 2025. If they could have had Houston instead then that's a big mistake.

 

[NMBB]

Carlton had a golden chance to secure Houston …. and declined as they instead went back to the draft.

It was so un-Carlton-like and yet a decision that will only extend their premiership window years into the future.

I find this bizarre. Carlton have picks 3, 38, 63, 68, 69, 72. So pick 3 & 38 is extending their premiership window years? No pressure kids.

We've been and gone.....