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It was easy to judge at the time. Schultz was not some gun that was worthy of a first and second round pick especially one that had the risk of being high if we fell off the cliff.The only risk was not finishing high on the ladder this year and nobody could have crystal balled the year we’ve had with injury.
Given our injuries, especially to our forwards, thank Christ we’ve had him.
Its easy in hindsight to judge the trade harshly.
Absolutely this. Hope we stop seeing ourselves as some sort of trade geniuses just because we managed to get Hill for a second rounder and back ourselves in the draft which built the majority of our elite core for the premiership.Small forward wasn’t an area of the list that needed improving given those coming through and I’d argue hasn’t been improved in any real way. If you were bringing in a Jeremy Cameron or Lynch or Dangerfield then I would have agreed with the strategy and risk /reward ..never the case and never worth the effort /price for mine.
None of this is hindsight. Way bigger holes that needed and still need surgery that will bite hard.
The fact so much went right in 2023 allowing us to salute was, for mine, a minor miracle. But the holes in the list were /are there if you wanna look. For mine, it made it more critical that we optimise our 1st & and 2nd rounders at the draft instead of valuing them like cheap confetti.
Have and always will take the view that you always ALWAYS take your 1st rounders to the draft - and will only ever make an exception if shopping in the Cameron, Lynch, Dangerfield part of the market.
Walking and chewing gum at the same time is still doable ..competing deep into finals whilst still drafting in young talent is also still possible.
Thought at the time it was a very very poor decision irrespective of likely EOY ladder position. Bottom 8 finish makes it an even costlier poor decision.
Outs:
Retire: Pendles, Howe, Sidey
Trade: McCreery, AJ
Delist: Begg, Bytel
We're feeling the hurt of the mismanagement of the list and salary cap from end of 2018 onwards. Grundy overpaid (could have kept Witts on much less coin), Treloar traded (would have thrived under McRae), Trading for a broken man in Beams.Schultz is a solid enough player but his trade will go down as one of the worst in history. The entire trade period last year was mind boggling.
Getting rid of Witts....We're feeling the hurt of the mismanagement of the list and salary cap from end of 2018 onwards. Grundy overpaid (could have kept Witts on much less coin), Treloar traded (would have thrived under McRae), Trading for a broken man in Beams.
Last season for Sidey, Howe, Begg, Bytel & AJ.
In: Fiorini, Keane, Stone, W.Phillips & S. Berry.
I’m dreaming, but such is life.
What are you paying (draft wise) to bring them in?Last season for Sidey, Howe, Begg, Bytel & AJ.
In: Fiorini, Keane, Stone, W.Phillips & S. Berry.
I’m dreaming, but such is life.
Outs:
Retire: Pendles, Howe, Sidey
Trade: McCreery, AJ
Delist: Begg, Bytel
They are both worth keeping. Howe as well. They are still quality and have the leadership experience to set the right culture and expectations on the training track and in games. Mass culling of veterans is how you end up in the North situation.Sidey and WHE are negotiating another 1 year deal each...
Agree.They are both worth keeping. Howe as well. They are still quality and have the leadership experience to set the right culture and expectations on the training track and in games. Mass culling of veterans is how you end up in the North situation.
It's the list cloggers like Bytel, Long, Markov, Begg etc that need to go first. We need to stop kidding ourselves about topping up with mature age SSPs instead of investing in the draft.
Agree on Bytel, Begg, Markov, I'd give Long another preseason, jury's out on Sullivan.They are both worth keeping. Howe as well. They are still quality and have the leadership experience to set the right culture and expectations on the training track and in games. Mass culling of veterans is how you end up in the North situation.
It's the list cloggers like Bytel, Long, Markov, Begg etc that need to go first. We need to stop kidding ourselves about topping up with mature age SSPs instead of investing in the draft.
I get that recruiting strategy this year, delisted young players instead of speculative rookie picks. 2-3 injuries and they’d be able to come in and play a role and also add mature bodies to our VFL side. 15+ injuries and playing a lot of these players together in the seniors is a different beast.Agree on Bytel, Begg, Markov, I'd give Long another preseason, jury's out on Sullivan.
Let's stock up on youngsters rather than taking up list spots with delisted players, obviously delisted for a reason.
We need to change things up and bring in an aggressive, shrewd list manager.
Last season for Sidey, Howe, Begg, Bytel & AJ.
In: Fiorini, Keane, Stone, W.Phillips & S. Berry.
I’m dreaming, but such is life.
They are both worth keeping. Howe as well. They are still quality and have the leadership experience to set the right culture and expectations on the training track and in games. Mass culling of veterans is how you end up in the North situation.
It's the list cloggers like Bytel, Long, Markov, Begg etc that need to go first. We need to stop kidding ourselves about topping up with mature age SSPs instead of investing in the draft.
I was thinking the same. Adding players just because they might be available. Need to rebuild right or end up like the tigersDream bigger Chrispiesss, that is a bunch of b and c graders IMO.
Last season for Sidey, Howe, Begg, Bytel & AJ.
In: Fiorini, Keane, Stone, W.Phillips & S. Berry.
I’m dreaming, but such is life.
For different reasons it’s a pity we weren’t able to retain Keane and Tohill. A couple of 24 year old key position players would be nice.Keane would be the only one of any interest in that lot....
Why are people retiring all 3? I find that very strange. I hope people are not blaming these 3 for our poor performances? What about Mitchell? I wouldn't be surprised if Cox retired given his run with injuries.
Howe is better at his role than any of the wannabe challengers.
Up for trade - McCreery, AJ (agree on those although will be a delisting based on trading Ginni for peanuts) but I still maintain Markov, Noble, even Lipinski should be up for trade. Finlay is probably a bust as well. May as well trade Ryan.
It's also time to shake up the coaching department.
Surely he is being targeted as head of footy for Tasmanian team?I feel I’ve missed something
Why is Wright looking to move on from Collingwood?
Feel like he’s only just got here
New challenge already?