List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade & FA 2024

[No SPIN]

Defensively.

Not offensively.

Imo it was a costly trade for a position we had Harrison capable of developing in.

Would have rather kept it and used it this year for a KPP.

Offensively they are equal.
Defensively, and in respect of commitment, diligence, attitude and focus - Schultz is streets ahead.
It’s no contest.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing now that we know of Brodies massive injury.
We may well have used the pick in a different way if the injury happened 12 months ago.

 

[No SPIN]

I was very surprised we let him go when we have a dearth of type and usually clubs give KPP 4 to 5 years to grow into it.

Needs to really add a bit of mass to that frame.

I think it was a choice between him and Begg. At the time Begg looked to have much greater upside.

 

[Apex36]

Defensively.

Not offensively.

Imo it was a costly trade for a position we had Harrison capable of developing in.

Would have rather kept it and used it this year for a KPP.

Yep. Defensive upgrade, offensive break even, probably a loss in terms of link up/midfield capability.

Whilst I think it was still a good move to bring him in, the price was just way too high from a cost/benefit perspective. He was definitely worth last years first, but it’s hurting us badly at the draft/trade table this year unless we can push deep in to finals which is looking unlikely at this point.

 

[Jen2310]

Valued Collingwood utility Will Hoskin-Elliott

32

Will Hoskin-elliott

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.0

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

4.7

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

232.7

4star

D

11.1

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

180.6

3star

D

12.4

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

has begun talks on a new deal as veteran teammate Steele Sidebottom

22

Steele Sidebottom

Age

33

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.4

5star

K

14.1

5star

HB

13.3

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.7

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

24.0

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

12.0

5star

M

4.5

4star

T

4.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

31.6

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

17.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

6.0

5star

remains a live chance of playing into a 17th season.
Hoskin-Elliott has enjoyed a strong season typically plugging gaps for Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

Age

50

Ht

176cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

, having filled roles across the forward line, wing and half-back.

He has kicked a goal in eight of his 13 games, while gathering at least 17 touches in three of the other matches.
Sidebottom has played 15 of Collingwood’s 16 games this year and while his numbers have dipped, he has been another important factor across the wing and half-back.

With Scott Pendlebury

10

Scott Pendlebury

Age

36

Ht

191cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.5

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

13.3

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

12.9

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

CL

3.6

4star

D

12.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.8

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

inching towards a new deal – as revealed by this masthead last month – and Jeremy Howe

38

Jeremy Howe

Age

34

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

21.5

5star

K

16.5

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

6.5

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

433.3

5star

D

15.2

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

keen to play on, Collingwood’s three oldest players could each be back next season.
A final decision on Sidebottom is expected later in the year but should he avoid injury and land a new deal, he will be in line to follow Pendlebury as the only Magpies to reach 350 games.

Young ruck Oscar Steene is another Magpie expected to get into contract talks soon.

The uncapped 201cm big man has been sidelined by toe injury for most of this season and has returned to running, with the hope to return to the VFL field late in the season.

With Mason Cox

46

Mason Cox

Age

33

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

battling injury, Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

29

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

has been left to shoulder the ruck burden solo for much of this season and the Pies will require ready made ruck depth next year.

Aside from veterans like Sidebottom, Pendlebury and Howe, the Pies have locked in most of their top players for next season, with linebreaker Oleg Markov

37

Oleg Markov

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.4

3star

MG

228.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.4

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

4.2

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

295.2

5star

one notable player without a deal.

Josh Carmichael and Nathan Murphy

28

Nathan Murphy

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

3star

MG

176.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

176.5

3star

will both drop of the list, having medically retired due to concussion.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/collingwood/collingwood-contract-latest-on-will-hoskinelliott-steele-sidebottom-and-oscar-steene/news-story/cbfb79ec01c5a876b80298c5875c6a9f

 

[soreplums]

Was Carmichael on the senior list or rookie list?

 

[Harry O]

Was Carmichael on the senior list or rookie list?

Rookie
Carmichael Bytel and Begg likely to be removed from rookie list
Leaving Dean Sullivan Eyre Smit and Long

 

[soreplums]

Rookie
Carmichael Bytel and Begg likely to be removed from rookie list
Leaving Dean Sullivan Eyre Smit and Long

It’s a real shame. I reckon had he been right to play, he coukd have been a really good stop gap up forward with the absences we have had.

 

[SchuPie]

Young ruck Oscar Steene is another Magpie expected to get into contract talks soon.

Great news.
Bodes well for our Ruck / forward combo over the next 5-10 years w Smit

 

[Bussie]

Without Checkers, I'd be inclined to play Johnson for the rest of the year, or until it's obvious he can or can't play. I feel he's a confidence player and needs a consistent run. Time will tell.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Without Checkers, I'd be inclined to play Johnson for the rest of the year, or until it's obvious he can or can't play. I feel he's a confidence player and needs a consistent run. Time will tell.

It already is.

 

[Kappa]

Without Checkers, I'd be inclined to play Johnson for the rest of the year, or until it's obvious he can or can't play. I feel he's a confidence player and needs a consistent run. Time will tell.

We’ve had many years of evidence that shows Johnson is at best a player with a few flashes of brilliance but little impact outside of that, and at worst you’d be better off playing a man down.

I didn’t see his last vfl game, but outside of that his vfl form in general has been embarrassing. They had to remove him from the vfl forward line due to his performance

 

[Harry O]

We’ve had many years of evidence that shows Johnson is at best a player with a few flashes of brilliance but little impact outside of that, and at worst you’d be better off playing a man down.

I didn’t see his last vfl game, but outside of that his vfl form in general has been embarrassing. They had to remove him from the vfl forward line due to his performance

Trade him to Melbourne to play with his cousin Swap of selections

 

[Fat Jesus]

Johnson does not chase. Zero fwd pressure. That's his main fault.
I'm certain they drum this into all the players. Some never listen or learn.
Ginni was the same.

 

[Jen2310]

Johnson does not chase. Zero fwd pressure. That's his main fault.
I'm certain they drum this into all the players. Some never listen or learn.
Ginni was the same.

to his credit, with being much more fitter, Jack has improved in that area this year.

 

[Fat Jesus]

to his credit, with being much more fitter, Jack has improved in that area this year.

I hope so for his future.
Never hated on him. Just thought Schultz is a tad better at everything.
Jack has time on his side. Still a kid.

 

[Jen2310]

I hope so for his future.
Never hated on him. Just thought Schultz is a tad better at everything.
Jack has time on his side. Still a kid.

Lots of time.
Schultz was a complete player as you would expect at 26, so thats expected.
Those Jack's age 20/21, there is lots of improvement until they get to their prime, so happy to see him doing well.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Trade him to Melbourne to play with his cousin Swap of selections

McAdam is his brother.

 

[RobJD]

Without Checkers, I'd be inclined to play Johnson for the rest of the year, or until it's obvious he can or can't play. I feel he's a confidence player and needs a consistent run. Time will tell.

Agree, if he kicks another 5 goals this week, he'll be in the side next week.

 

[Jen2310]

Agree, if he kicks another 5 goals this week, he'll be in the side next week.

I doubt he plays again this year, with Cox returning and Mcstay in the next week or two.

 

[sr36]

I doubt he plays again this year, with Cox returning and Mcstay in the next week or two.

And Elliott already back - who plays just as tall as him.

 

[Jen2310]

And Elliott already back - who plays just as tall as him.

thats right.
he had his opportunity while mcstay was out early this year. He didn't take it.

 

[Copeland]

I was very surprised we let him go when we have a dearth of type and usually clubs give KPP 4 to 5 years to grow into it.

Needs to really add a bit of mass to that frame.

And we kept Kelly

 

[Bramax]

The fact is we have been constantly burnt with future trading.

Schultz is looking like another L in that column.
Many people didn't like the cost of that trade BEFORE the year started.

Schultz was the leading goal kicker for Freo for the 2 years prior to the Pies recruiting him. He was kicking around 30 goals per season (33 goals in 2023).
We were always going to have to cough up more than what was ideal but on the face of it back then, adding Schultz to a Premiership team made us even stronger.
It’s easy to look back in hindsight. I still think our ladder position and draft pick we now have to give up makes the trade look worse than it really is. Even Freo would have been expecting a very late first round pick this year.

 

[Jen2310]

 

[Harry O]

Think he would be a good fit as we try and rebuild the midfield
Offer Croms the Frampton deal - future third