List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade & FA 2024

[BuildEmUp]

Let’s see if he nominates the Pies as his preferred club before all the hand wringing.

Huh????? .. doesn't matter who he "nominates" he is not a FA ... When does Bailey Smith's contract expire? Smith's contract with the Western Bulldogs expires at the end of the 2024 season. He is not a free agent so any suitor will have to trade (e.g. 2 first rounders) for the player, or run the risk of him going through the pre-season draft .. no "hand wringing" just a simple fact for you : PIES have ZERO capital to effect any trade

 

[Bianconeri]

I would offer Finn and ash Johnston to the dogs for khamis

Why would the dogs take a poor man’s Jackson Macrae and JUH?

 

[Bianconeri]

Surely nobody actually misses Tay Adams… he can’t play four quarters as a midfielder anymore. Sure he would have been nice to cover Mitchell’s injury this year but we needed to get younger and quite frankly he was not best 22 coming into the season if he were still here

He’s not reinventing the wheel at Sydney. He’s been an okay pickup to boost depth and this is probably his chance to win a flag before he becomes depth next year

His stats a pretty similar to last years. He hasn’t lost much. People also forget he was a goal assist machine last season at 1.1 per game. He would have to reinvent the wheel to get a game in our current side.

Moving past Adams was a fine decision but we needed to replace him with another experienced midfielder then. Not an extra small forward.

 

[Bianconeri]

You can't play Noble and Daniel in the same team so cannot see it

We played Noble and Nick
Daicos off the half back flank for a while and managed to do okay.

 

[cakewalk06]

Wake up.

Grundy's $500k - $650k saving could've easily been found elsewhere especially with the cap massively increasing.

So someone like Henry who was determined to leave the club is traded for below true value but whenever we trade for someone who is determined to come to us we have to overpay? That's exactly what is wrong with our trading.

And Ginnivan I said has more talent. Pretty sure you're the one who said Ginnivan has a higher footy IQ than Hill last year. "Intensity, focus, commitment and aggression" are things that are developed to harness that talent. If Schultz had more talent he would've been drafted as an 18 year old. And Schultz and pace? Cmon.

Adams - why do we need to offer a 3 year contract when he was still contracted? If our intention was to go back to back, why strengthen one of our key rivals for the sake of a pick 30 odd?

There's no need for you to be the clubs spin doctor and say we can do no wrong. It's ok to criticize things we haven't been doing well and to try get better. Isn't that Fly's mantra?

We do a lot right as a club but (outside of coaching) our trading and list management has been one of the reasons that we have not being able to become a dynasty team like the Lions, Cats, Hawks and Tigers during that period. We've drafted in enough generational talent in the last two decades to match it with them. We've been blessed with Buckley, Swan, Pendles and now Naicos during that time who all have claims for Collingwood GOAT status (pretty sure Naicos will be it by end of his career). Would be a shame if the best we can do is convert that into a premiership once every 15 years and not try to do better.

Strongly agree with the bolded par. It’s something that pisses me off no end.
Especially dealing with Gold Coast and GWS. Over the years they have basically been feeder clubs for Richmond, Geelong and Carlton and given those teams insane leg-ups. We always seem to pay above market rates for anybody halfway rated.

The bowes bullshit was just on a whole new level.

 

[Bianconeri]

Half back is the least of our worries right now.

Would think another key defender would be more of a priority.

Not sure how you can watch our distribution from half back week in and week out and think it’s the area least of our worries.

Our 2022/23 run was built off our transition off half back, mostly off the back of Nick Daicos and has coincidentally abandoned this year since Nick Daicos’ and Jack Crisps move to a permanent midfielder.

 

[Bianconeri]

Daniel is an interesting one. His ball use out of the backline is something we need, but is he a liability defensively?

We have noble down there as well who also can be a liability aerially.

These are the type of moves we need to be looking at however. Our list is getting older and we haven't got a lot of tradeable picks to land big talent.

I guess the first question is can they play together like Nick an he did in 2022 and the first half of 2023?

The second question is Noble’s speed or Daniel’s kicking skill more important?

The third question is can trade in some contested ball winning midfielders to release Nick Daicos in the middle and move Crisp back to replace Noble’s speed whilst also being stronger defensively?

 

[amberfluid]

It's a minimum 2 decent mids, a key back and a running back/playmaker to get back to contention. A key forward would be nice but isn't the priority.

 

[sam_e]

Daniel is an interesting one. His ball use out of the backline is something we need, but is he a liability defensively?

We have noble down there as well who also can be a liability aerially.

These are the type of moves we need to be looking at however. Our list is getting older and we haven't got a lot of tradeable picks to land big talent.

will throw up in my cornflakes if we pick up Daniel on reportedly big $$s

don't need any more short-arsed (sub 170cm) players that can't run

seriously, given our surplus of small forwards, Joe Richards could play that half-back distributor role and do it better than Daniels and with more toe

as Jen said, we desperately need another key (or 3rd tall) back with intercepting and/or lock-down skills OR decent extracting bigger-body mids to support Nick

 

[Ugene41]

I guess the first question is can they play together like Nick an he did in 2022 and the first half of 2023?

The second question is Noble’s speed or Daniel’s kicking skill more important?

The third question is can trade in some contested ball winning midfielders to release Nick Daicos in the middle and move Crisp back to replace Noble’s speed whilst also being stronger defensively?

Daniel isn't slow (he'd be faster than Side bottom for example). He also has a knack of following up his kicks and presenting as a running option again like Nick.

Maybe we can package up Jack Macrae to come as part of the Daniel deal. Put him back in the guts and become the contested clearance beast he used to be. Similar to Mitchell. If we can do it as a salary dump type deal for a 3rd rounder, it'll help fill some gaps for cheap.

 

[sam_e]

Daniel isn't slow (he'd be faster than Side bottom for example). He also has a knack of following up his kicks and presenting as a running option again like Nick.

Maybe we can package up Jack Macrae to come as part of the Daniel deal. Put him back in the guts and become the contested clearance beast he used to be. Similar to Mitchell. If we can do it as a salary dump type deal for a 3rd rounder, it'll help fill some gaps for cheap.

we play an aggressive step-forward /rolling zone defence. our defenders can often rotate onto & be required to defend forwards taller & bigger bodied than themselves.

it's one of the reasons why Noble lost his spot to Markov end-2023.

168 cms (C.Daniels height) is a distinct disadvantage to playing back-6 in our set-up. and Sidey, 33 yo who has never been blessed w foot-speed (endurance beast though), isn't a great benchmark for 'line-breaking pace'

and if the coaching brains trust think a little laterally - given our surplus of small forwards(when all fit) - Joe Richards could play that role and do it better

 

[Kappa]

Maybe. But he’s young and the dogs may think they can get more out of him. At least he’s be open to be traded with his brother there.

There isn't many players in the AFL system the dogs would want less than another slow poorly skilled inside mid like Finn Macrae.

Even his brother who is much much better has struggled to get games.

Ash Johnson is another we'd have to pay another club to take.

 

[No SPIN]

Daniel isn't slow (he'd be faster than Side bottom for example). He also has a knack of following up his kicks and presenting as a running option again like Nick.

Maybe we can package up Jack Macrae to come as part of the Daniel deal. Put him back in the guts and become the contested clearance beast he used to be. Similar to Mitchell. If we can do it as a salary dump type deal for a 3rd rounder, it'll help fill some gaps for cheap.

If you’re that small you need line breaking speed and Hill level evasiveness - he has neither.
Great footy IQ, and kicking is not enough.

 

[swoop42]

One of the media programs mentioned that Battle was a Hawks supporter as a kid.

 

[Ugene41]

If you’re that small you need line breaking speed and Hill level evasiveness - he has neither.
Great footy IQ, and kicking is not enough.

It was enough to earn him an All Australian and a BnF

 

[No SPIN]

It was enough to earn him an All Australian and a BnF

But not enough to achieve the much smaller hurdle of current best 22 at WB.
Times and the game have changed.

 

[Harry O]

Will Phillips would be one of the midfielders I would target to start rebuilding our midfield

 

[JLC]

It’s not entirely our decision as to what makes a trade occur.
Freo knew what our 2023 1st was.
Certain to get a better pick by punting on our 2024 one, (unless we won the flag again).

Not many expected us to finish outside of Top 4.

But for some reason people want to blame everyone except for the players. GW put faith in this playing group and rightfully so. It is the playing group that have made the trade look poor.

How about we critique the following -

1. Darcy Moore has been poor for most of the season. He is neither playing man on man or effecting contests, he is too often in no man's land. You are the leader, sort out of the defence. Maxwell and Heater were both organisers and on field leaders.

2. Ash Johnson? We are desperate for a tall forward and he has barely given a yelp. Keep hiding in the Vfl. Doesn't this guy want AFL?

3. Finlay Macrae - Adams leaving opened up a spot for you? Actually do something.

4. Bobby Hill - Actually perform like a norm Smith medallist.

5. Quaynor - the vice captain? Below par for most of the season.

6. Lipinski - sub in the grand final. Too often goes missing. Why have you not commanded a midfield spot?

7. Josh Daicos - Copeland trophy winner has been poor. Fair enough he missed some of the pre season but I expect more.

8. Reef McInnes - why are you not a regular senior player? Why are you still only a bits part player?

The playing group starting with the leaders need to own it and fix it.

 

[satanshoof101]

Will Phillips would be one of the midfielders I would target to start rebuilding our midfield

Will Phillips, Angus Sheldrick, Cam Mackenzie

 

[Doc1763]

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Excellent news, we've been looking for a lead up forward since Blair retired.

 

[No SPIN]

Will Phillips, Angus Sheldrick, Cam Mackenzie

Modern mids need size otherwise they need exceptional pace, kicking and footy IQ eg Gulden, - so at 188cm Mackenzie is my preference.

 

[manicpie]

We should have added Sam Glover.

 

[soreplums]

Don't know why we're losing the fight to Hawthorn for Battle.

I’m still hearing he is coming to us.

The latest I heard on Smith is that he can nominate us, but Bulldogs have said that they will be taking the best deal.

 

[well left]

After yesterday I’d be looking at Davies if he’s keen to come south.

The fact he might be suspended for a couple of weeks just deprives him of the opportunity to drive up his trade value.


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[Jafo]

Don't know why we're losing the fight to Hawthorn for Battle.