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McStay, Cox, Checkers, Walker….I personally hope it’s true.
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“It’s certainly a phenomenon in all walks of life”
- “What do you mean?”
-“Well, at one time, you've got it, and then you lose it, and it's gone forever. All walks of life: George Best, for example. Had it, lost it. Or David Bowie, or Derek Hine”
-“Derek Hine? Some of his recent drafting is not bad
-“No, it's not bad, but it's not great either. And in your heart you kind of know that although it looks alright, it’s actually just shite.”
-“Ok so what’s the point you are trying to make?”
-“All I'm trying to do is help you understand that Father-Son selections are merely a blip on an otherwise uninterrupted downward trajectory.
-“What about Harvey Harrison?”
-“I don’t rate him at all.”
-“Despite the Rising Star nomination?”
-“That means **** all. It’s a sympathy vote”
-“Right. So we all get old then we can’t hack it anymore. Is that it?”
-“Yeah”
-“That’s your theory?”
-Yeah! Beautifully ******* illustrated”
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Sorry if the list if off topic
Looking at the below, it would be interesting to debate Hine’s impact on the 2023 premiership
Murphy - slid to pick 39 2017 - recruiting
Moore - FS (injured 2018) Lucky
Howe - trade - football department
Maynard - pick 30 2014 recruiting
Frampton - trade - recruiting
Q - NGA - Lucky
Sidey - 2005! - Good drafting
Pendles - 2005! - drafting
Markov - SSP - football department
Hill - trade - recruiting/football department
Checkers - Rookie recruiting
Billy - pre draft trade - recruiting
Beau - pick 44 2020 - recruiting
JDG - pick 5 2014 - recruiting
Jaicos - FS (but taken as a “live” pick) - recruiting
Naicos - FS luck
Crisp - steak knives 2014 - recruiting
Cox - Cat b years ago - recruiting
Titch - trade - footy department
Cameron - trade - recruiting
WHE - trade - recruiting/footy department
Ginni - rookie - recruiting
Lippa - trade - recruiting/footy department
All the players you mentioned were from Buck’s/Malthouse era. Fly simply put the full stop on their work.In every case Coll has done the same thing.
Hawks Mids - just natural maturity and development of youth. No different to JDG, Pendles, Sidey coming of age.
Geel - we converted Brodie from back to fwd, Howe from fwd to back. Turned an American into an excellent Ruckman. Converted a reject in Markov to a premiership player, similarly an outcast in Frampton. Turned Cameron into what’s looking like an AA Ruckman.
GWS - restart of Hogan is no different to what we’ve done with Brodie, Howe, Markov, Noble etc
Dogs - our record of Finals and GF’s and Flags since 2016 is better.
I think Richards and West are example of good development, but current success is due to high draft picks.
In summary I don’t see huge advantages in player development from any of your examples over Coll.
Correct. He hasn’t been able to stake his claim. He was given chances.Which opportunity starved young talent?
Fin Macrae has had ample opportunities.
Steene is about to sign a new contract.Strong word is, Keane and Berry across from the Crows. I’m tipping JFN will go home as part of the deal.
Johnno as steak knives. I can imagine we’ll pay part of his last year (just to get rid of him).
Plus either McCrae/McInness/Steene or a second rounder (weren’t the Crows keen on Steene at the end of 2023).
Offloading JFN will create a large need for a good user out of defence. We have the cap space. I can see us making a play for Perryman (UFA).
So, getting Keane, Berry, Perryman
and losing cash + Johnson, Steene, JFN would be awesome!
How do we make this Berry + Keane thing (which is the strong word) happen?Steene is about to sign a new contract.
Not sure why noble would go home when his parents live in QLD and his twin brother is in vic - or was, not sure where he lives atm.
Johnson and a future 2nd for Berry + Keane?Not sure.
Maybe Johnson and a future 2nd?
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OkayJohnson and a future 2nd for Berry + Keane?
I’d imagine Crows would tell us to go pound sand.
3rd rounder is a junk pick. Noble slots into that defence and makes them automatically better. McInness has size and speed and can still be reprogrammed to play mid.Okay
We'll throw in a third.
Not sure what they expect, we don't have a big currency hand, and we plan on going to the draft for some talls.
maybe a swap of picks or something
Although with the improvement of Long, I wonder if they may see there may not be as much need for Berry. Time will tell.
Genuinely want your thoughts
- what would you consider cheap?
- what would we be prepared to offer?
- what would GC want?
- what would we want if he was ours?
He might explode as a better version of WHE if he came to us or he might be a trade bust.
Just my opinion but I think we’d be better off banking our picks and looking to add more, or rather, upgrade them
Johnson would be worth zero, would not get a game with any club. Better to not insult another club with putting him up as a possible trade.Johnson and a future 2nd for Berry + Keane?
I’d imagine Crows would tell us to go pound sand.
Okay
We'll throw in a third.
Not sure what they expect, we don't have a big currency hand, and we plan on going to the draft for some talls.
maybe a swap of picks or something
Although with the improvement of Long, I wonder if they may see there may not be as much need for Berry. Time will tell.
Bytel, Long, Sullivan and Markov have been given way more chances and not been able to stake their claim.Correct. He hasn’t been able to stake his claim. He was given chances.
Ditto McInness.
Allen and Ryan have been around for 2 years.
Nothing. None of em.
This isn't the year to be trading out future 2nds. We need to bank as many F2s as possible to match Mcguane and hopefully still take a F1 next year (or trade it out for another first rounder)Not sure.
Maybe Johnson and a future 2nd?
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Players choose the club. Not often anymore that you get player to club to pay for another player.3rd rounder is a junk pick. Noble slots into that defence and makes them automatically better. McInness has size and speed and can still be reprogrammed to play mid.
I’m seeing one of those two, future second and Johnno as steak knives.
Ed Allan has had 1? game - our VFL is sh#te so where's the evidence on his potential?Macrae/Reef/Allan/Ryan have not had the same chances and have shown more attributes in the limited opportunities that they have had.
The other club would be helping us, even if we paid his last year.Johnson would be worth zero, would not get a game with any club. Better to not insult another club with putting him up as a possible trade.
Correct - do not at any point over pay for C graders like Keane or Berry. Ok at the right priceThis isn't the year to be trading out future 2nds. We need to bank as many F2s as possible to match Mcguane and hopefully still take a F1 next year (or trade it out for another first rounder)
This might be the year to just sit and do nothing to limit the damage of another Schultz/Ginnivan type trade period. Especially when the names that might come are Keane and Berry..