Don't be surprised if McInnes is at the Saints next year
Straight swap for King or would the Saints have to throw in a sweetener?
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Don't be surprised if McInnes is at the Saints next year
I’d take the punt on Trac. I mean, if we did a medical (guessing club was at least considering) on Wingard I’d definitely take a punt on Trac.Normally I would agree with you - that it's a bit of gamble taking on a player at a high value of the back of a significant injury.
However Trac seems a very determined and professional bloke - he's very big on looking after his body/recovering well, works hard on his nutrition and exercise - and as reference idolizes our own Scott Pendlebury for his work and diligence to recovery and health etc
If there was a player you'd be comfortable taking a bit of the injury risk on - it's these caliber players that you know will do everything in their power to be top-shape every time they step on the field.
Personally I think it’s a last Hail Mary at a premiership before the absolute cliff comes for this team. It’s one I’d rather not take.
We need to rebuild our list with youth. As great as Petracca is right at this stage, he will be 29 years old before the start of next season and is on a massive contract with 5 years left.
Given his playing style I can’t see him maintaining his output until the end of that deal. Similar to Dusty, who only just turned 33 and dropped off a cliff in terms of performance for the last couple of years, I can see the same happening with Petracca.
Ultimately IMO we’d be paying a ridiculous amount for 3 years of top shelf football from him.
Wingard was being demoted from the main list to the rookie list.I’d take the punt on Trac. I mean, if we did a medical (guessing club was at least considering) on Wingard I’d definitely take a punt on Trac.
Getting the deal done is the hardest part if it came about.
Squats, mainly.How?
That would be an intersting move with Sharman, Owens, Camaniti, Membrey, Howard and Wilkie ahead of him in the various roles he could play, but with the impending departure of Battle and limited alternatives it may be the best he can do. Especially considering his time at Collingwood as a forward looks done and Keane likely on the way down back.Don't be surprised if McInnes is at the Saints next year
That would be an intersting move with Sharman, Owens, Camaniti, Membrey, Howard and Wilkie ahead of him in the various roles he could play, but with the impending departure of Battle and limited alternatives it may be the best he can do. Especially considering his time at Collingwood as a forward looks done and Keane likely on the way down back.
I think we are no chance of getting Christian. However, if we packaged up Reef & Fin for an early/mid 2nd rounder, that would help.
Future first & multiple 2nds for Petrecca.
Ha. I had forgotten about King. How well have the Saints gone in his absenceStraight swap for King or would the Saints have to throw in a sweetener?
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Depending on who it cost to get him, it'd extend our window significantly.
Normally I would agree with you - that it's a bit of gamble taking on a player at a high value of the back of a significant injury.
However Trac seems a very determined and professional bloke - he's very big on looking after his body/recovering well, works hard on his nutrition and exercise - and as reference idolizes our own Scott Pendlebury for his work and diligence to recovery and health etc
If there was a player you'd be comfortable taking a bit of the injury risk on - it's these caliber players that you know will do everything in their power to be top-shape every time they step on the field.
That's basically the cost of SchultzI think we are no chance of getting Christian. However, if we packaged up Reef & Fin for an early/mid 2nd rounder, that would help.
Future first & multiple 2nds for Petrecca.
Personally I think it’s a last Hail Mary at a premiership before the absolute cliff comes for this team. It’s one I’d rather not take.
We need to rebuild our list with youth. As great as Petracca is right at this stage, he will be 29 years old before the start of next season and is on a massive contract with 5 years left.
Given his playing style I can’t see him maintaining his output until the end of that deal. Similar to Dusty, who only just turned 33 and dropped off a cliff in terms of performance for the last couple of years, I can see the same happening with Petracca.
Ultimately IMO we’d be paying a ridiculous amount for 3 years of top shelf football from him.
Agreed. If we still want to top up for one last crack with Pendles/Howe/Sidebottom, we would be much better off getting a 31 year old Parker for cheap instead of continuing to mortgage our future. Parker would have a good 1-2 years which will better align with our expected drop off when our veterans retire.I reckon with our list profile it would give us another 2 years.
Then we’d hit a West Coast’esque cliff right as Tassie is primed to enter the comp and drain the talent pool.
It’s a massive risk to take. Not one I’d be willing to take with our lack of young talent.
There are firsts and firsts.Would have to be 2 firsts and a young player eg. Allan
I don’t mean to single you out but I disagree with all of the thinking here.
Our current draft hand is poor. We’re about to finish mid ladder and have given our future first and next year our picks will likely be used for points for McGuane.
If there ever was a way you can bring Petracca (future first, players) then you just have to do it. It’s the area of the ground were poorest in and he’s top 5 in the comp there.
At the very worst all it does it delays a full rebuild by a year. If we’re out of contention next year all you have to do is not renew our veterans, not trade your picks and you can have your rebuild. The salary you pay Trac becomes negligible if all we’re doing is picking up his current contract negotiated pre new tv rights. And even then free agency and picks trading for f/s and academies have changed the game in this regard, we do not need years and years at the bottom to rebuild as long as we remain an attractive club.
On the injury risk itself, it’s not an acl nor a repeat hamstring or soft tissue so with a professional like him I don’t see the issue. Dusty and Trac may play similarly in some aspects but they are nothing alike in preparation. Petracca plays a mid season game against North Melbourne like it’s a Grand Final, Dusty plays like it’s pub football.
Hawks mate reckons Battle is gonna stay a SaintThat would be an intersting move with Sharman, Owens, Camaniti, Membrey, Howard and Wilkie ahead of him in the various roles he could play, but with the impending departure of Battle and limited alternatives it may be the best he can do. Especially considering his time at Collingwood as a forward looks done and Keane likely on the way down back.
Where did you hear that?Tend to agree. I think it will take him an entire season to find fitness and form.
Still can’t get his HR over 110 for extended periods.
That’s a touch pessimistic on the fitness of JDG, IMO. With a core mid group of Petracca, Naicos and JDG you aren’t needing to do anything much to fill the rest of the midfield pieces. I’d be willing to wear a Richmond like drop down the ladder if it meant extending our window by a further 3 years which this would because Petracca is more Dangerfield than Martin. It’s also exactly what Geelong did by securing Cameron who was 8 months younger when he joined the Cats.I reckon with our list profile it would give us another 2 years.
Then we’d hit a West Coast’esque cliff right as Tassie is primed to enter the comp and drain the talent pool.
It’s a massive risk to take and could set us back for a significant period of time. Not one I’d be willing to take with our lack of young talent.
That’s a touch pessimistic on the fitness of JDG, IMO. With a core mid group of Petracca, Naicos and JDG you aren’t needing to do anything much to fill the rest of the midfield pieces. I’d be willing to wear a Richmond like drop down the ladder if it meant extending our window by a further 3 years which this would because Petracca is more Dangerfield than Martin. It’s also exactly what Geelong did by securing Cameron who was 8 months younger when he joined the Cats.
I hadn’t heard any of this, which now makes me very circumspect about him getting back to his best. ( for his sake I hope he recovers completely).Will Trac be missing a block of footy early next season. I thought he said on Nova, that he wouldn't be doing anything to physical for another few months or early into next year.
The only concern would be the weight loss and muscle mass, and how long it takes for him to be able to get back into full fitness and ready for the physicality of AFL footy...
You seem to completely disregarding the picks we will have to use to acquire him. Or the very few talented younger players we’d have to trade out to acquire picks.
That will mean even less young talent coming onto our already very old list.
I think you are also underselling Dusty. Supposedly he’s one of the hardest trainers going around…
But if you don’t like him as a comparison. How about Dangerfield whose output has also similarly dropped off for the last 2-3 or so years? Or the litany of other midfield champions who all retired around 31-33 years of age, after declining in their last few years.