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Yeah absolutely - I am certainly not advocating for us going and picking up Hayes, however a similar nature player would've filled a few holes for us through the last 12-18 months, and in particular in 2024.If he wasn't nearly 29, then yeah. Rookie pick up at best, covers a hole if anyone goes down. He would have covered Checkers well this year. Hope fully we don't have to worry about Checkers next year.
Exactly right. And how is 20 a first rounder.. it ain't!!
the actual trade:
GWS finished 7th and Ess finished 8th in 2021 so Geelong received back picks 24 & 25 in 2021 draft in addition to securing Cameron, arguably the best forward in the game.
- Geelong gave up two middling 1st rounders (13 & 15), a 2nd rounder (20) in 2020 and a future 4th rounder (2021)
- Geelong received Cameron + two future 2nd rounders (one from GWS & one on-traded from Ess).
that might be close to the best trade value ever extracted in the history of the afl or perhaps a close run second to their trade with GCS, receiving Bowes + 7 in exchange for a 3rd rounder!!
Geelong What Geelong Gave What Geelong Got Jeremy Cameron 80 games 53 XG Pick 13 Pick not used 1212 points 79 XG Pick 15 Pick not used 1112 points 71 XG Pick 20 Pick not used 912 points 66 XG 2021R2 (Essendon)
(estimate: pick 24)Pick not used 785 points 56 XG 2021R2 (Greater Western Sydney)
(estimate: pick 27)Pick not used 703 points 51 XG 2021R4 (Geelong)
(estimate: pick 71)Pick not used 29 points 5 XG 4 picks 0 players 0 games 3265 points 221 XG 2 picks 1 player 80 games 1488 points 160 XG
Anyway, what number is Trac taking? 12?
Anyway, what number is Trac taking? 12?
The 2 scenarios couldn't be further apart, Grundy was a salary dump, Demons want to keep Trac.We got a 2nd rounder for Grundy didn’t we? AND we still had to pay him. Our 2nd for Tracc should be fair.
This trade for Schultz hurts even more now.
Pick 9 we could have almost done it.
I don't blame Schultz at all.
I think it's too small a sample size to be definitive. I think if we draft more players incapable of playing AFL for the next 2 or 3 years we will have more data & can then say this strategy definitely doesn't work. I think your jumping the gun with your "we should draft better players" statement. Lets just wait & see.i think we should try to draft better players. I dont agree with the current strategy of drafting players who are incapable of playing AFL at senior level. While trading has overcome this policy to some extent, I think drafting unsuitable players is just not sustainable.
That you put Adams in the same category as Petracca is ridiculous.But there's posters that justified us trading out a contracted VC Adams to a contender in Sydney for peanuts just because they offered him 3 years.
So all we have to do is offer Petracca 2 more years on top of his remaining contract and Melbourne will have to trade him for peanuts also because he wants to come to us...
Why would we be intentionally drafting players incapable of playing AFL?i think we should try to draft better players. I dont agree with the current strategy of drafting players who are incapable of playing AFL at senior level. While trading has overcome this policy to some extent, I think drafting unsuitable players is just not sustainable.
Anyway, what number is Trac taking? 12?
Smit looks promisingA weird example of the sort of player we should like at - without actually being the player we should look at.
Heading in to 2025, someone like Hayes would be an astute pick up for both a bit of ruck and key forward coverage. After the disaster of the last 2 years with rucks and forwards falling down around us, another cheap back up would not go astray imo.
For 2025 there's really only DC14 and Mason who you would comfortably pick in the ruck - and with Mason 34 next year, and starting to break down a bit body wise, we put a lot of our eggs in the DC14 basket. I do acknowledge we have Steene and Smit coming through, however it would be a tall ask to expect them to come in next season and impact consistently at AFL level.
Up forward we have Checkers, McStay and Kreuger as our main marking targets, and while I think that is a fine mix - both Kreuger and Mcstay's recent injury history does not fill me with much hope of getting 20+ games out of the pair of them.
In basic summary - I would not want us picking up Hayes, but someone on the outer at their club who could pinch in the ruck and up forward for us next year if required would certainly not be the worst recruitment this off season for us.
I think it's too small a sample size to be definitive. I think if we draft more players incapable of playing AFL for the next 2 or 3 years we will have more data & can then say this strategy definitely doesn't work. I think your jumping the gun with your "we should draft better players" statement. Lets just wait & see.
Why would we be intentionally drafting players incapable of playing AFL?
Agreed - but at 19 and very raw he will still need some time and development before he's ready to step up to the level.Smit looks promising
Can you be specific- which players had odd shaped bodies or health issues.so we can win a premiership?....maybe you know what the strategy is. I can see why they do certain things like the recruitment of the browns and will kelly and the time that they kept them on the list. We've seen that at our local level when the coach picks his son in the team. However, that doesnt explain all the odd shaped players that come onto the list, the odd health issues, the backstories that are a little different. Maybe we're trying to broaden acceptance of the game....
I just think we should focus our drafting more on getting players who can play games at the senior level.
You haven’t actually compared Adams to Petracca in a serious way here have you? We made out like bandits on the Adams deal because he’s added nothing to Sydney except cover for Mills. Petracca is a top 5 player in the game.But there's posters that justified us trading out a contracted VC Adams to a contender in Sydney for peanuts just because they offered him 3 years.
So all we have to do is offer Petracca 2 more years on top of his remaining contract and Melbourne will have to trade him for peanuts also because he wants to come to us...