Game Day Collingwood v Carlton, MCG Friday 28 July, 7.50pm

[sr36]

WHE sub

Will come on in the last and his 3 touches and 0.5 tackles will turn the game

In all seriousness… Ginni the better sub option.

Can bring him in up front and then rotate others out of the forward mix

Ginni > WHE as sub option

Depends who you're subbing out.

 

[swoop42]

Blues media and fans just putting out pre-emptive excuses. They have a couple injuries, but not the number that constitutes a valid excuse for losing.

Let's be honest.

We'd be no better if the situation was reversed.

McKay and Walsh are two quality outs. Both are top 6 players for them and no point pretending otherwise.

Kennedy has played 14 games, Silvagni 16, so many more times than not included in their 23 this season when available.

They have some excuses available albeit it's nowhere near as bad as the injury list suggested on Tuesday. We have none with only Hill unavailable.

I expect to win.

 

[unplugged]

Game 198 for WHE tomorrow.

Thanks

 

[Jen2310]

WHE would have reached 200 games about now if not for his hand injury. He doesnt feel like someone about to hit this milestone.

 

[3rdMan]

Let's be honest.

We'd be no better if the situation was reversed.

McKay and Walsh are two quality outs. Both are top 6 players for them and no point pretending otherwise.

Kennedy has played 14 games, Silvagni 16, so many more times than not included in their 23 this season when available.

They have some excuses available albeit it's nowhere near as bad as the injury list suggested on Tuesday. We have none with only Hill unavailable.

I expect to win.

We've had games with similar outs and still expected to win. Certainly weren't writing the game off as unwinnable.

Having players out has an impact, but even as a fan, you don't concede a game for a couple of outs, that's all I was saying.

 

[Jen2310]

Special announcement?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

You talk as if you’re in the middle of some type of dynasty. You haven’t won a flag in 10 years. And before you say it, yes I know your miles above us, and we’ve been absolute trash for decades. But my point is you need to actually win something before you start talking like you’re the king pins.

All I said is our main rival is next weeks opponent. Carlton apart from that are irrelevant to us.

Lots of teams think they are our number one rival. We don’t think that way nor care. Like I said, take a number and form a queue, everybody thinks they are our number one hate.

 

[swoop42]

We've had games with similar outs and still expected to win. Certainly weren't writing the game off as unwinnable.

Having players out has an impact, but even as a fan, you don't concede a game for a couple of outs, that's all I was saying.

We didn't have to play ourselves.

 

[Scodog10]

Special announcement?

I’d assume the announcement of contract extensions for the Daicos brothers.

 

[Chameleon75]

Markov coming into the 22 offsets the run of Hill doesn't it?

Who do you think has the potential to cover the loss of a goal kicking small forward better?

Ginnivan an actual small forward or Hoskin-Elliott a utility?

While I don't have any great issue with Ginnivan not being included Hill has kicked 22.11 to WHE 10.4 this season.

So is the extra 3 possessions per game of WHE (who averages the 16th most disposals per game for us in 22/23) worth more than the double scoring capacity of Hill?

Not for mine and it's why Ginnivan could have been a viable option.

FWIW a 19yo Ginnivan kicked 40.19 last season compared to WHE with 14.7. Nearly 3 times more scoring capacity for the cost of only 3.5 less possessions per game.

Who do you think was of more value to our team last season?

The slow Ginnivan or the quick WHE?

so why wasn’t he recalled?

I’m suggesting it’s team balance, it’s not a best 22 but a best 23, Markov’s elevation to the starting 22 still means we’d be down a runner from the side we fielded last week, if we’re in a situation like last week we we’re lacking run WHE can provide it.

Not being a smart arse, but can you think of another reason beside team balance that has ginni overlooked?

 

[legendstatus]

I’d assume the announcement of contract extensions for the Daicos brothers.

100k+ members

 

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100k+ members

That's what I was going to suggest too. Unless it's 120k?

 

[3rdMan]

We didn't have to play ourselves.

I reckon any self respecting fan of an anywhere near relevant team would at least give their team a shot against us. Maybe that rules out Carlton fans .

We, at this point at least, give teams a look in. Our best is scary, but it mostly lasts a quarter. We take risks with our defence and despite conceding the least points can give up easy goals. Our ladder position is dominant, but we aren't as impregnable as the usual dominant top team. I'm hoping we keep improving as we approach finals to widen our margin of error, because at the moment we are often at risk of dropping a game if mistakes are made late. Better than last year, for sure, but still room for improvement.

 

[Lifelong Pie]

so why wasn’t he recalled?

I’m suggesting it’s team balance, it’s not a best 22 but a best 23, Markov’s elevation to the starting 22 still means we’d be down a runner from the side we fielded last week, if we’re in a situation like last week we we’re lacking run WHE can provide it.

Not being a smart arse, but can you think of another reason beside team balance that has ginni overlooked?

Markov has replaced Hill, WHE replaces Markov as the sub, 2 running players for 2 running players, we are not a runner down, we just have a different mix

 

[Chameleon75]

Markov has replaced Hill, WHE replaces Markov as the sub, 2 running players for 2 running players, we are not a runner down, we just have a different mix

that was my point actually, being if we played ginni in place of WHE, it would be altering the balance while WHE maintains it.

 

[Lifelong Pie]

that was my point actually, being if we played ginni in place of WHE, it would be altering the balance while WHE maintains it.

Ok, I must have read it wrong sorry, you are right

 

[Scodog10]

100k+ members

Could be! Last I’d seen a couple of weeks back we were low 90’s so I just assumed we were no hope given three of our remaining home matches were unlikely to provide access to 3 game memberships. Solid effort if we got there.

 

[Scodog10]

that was my point actually, being if we played ginni in place of WHE, it would be altering the balance while WHE maintains it.

Ginnivan is a breed unto himself so he’ll get support from some quarters no matter what. He’s played 4 VFL matches this year (I think) and only one of them has been at AFL standard. Despite that some want him ahead of a guy that’s played every senior match when fit. It’s mad.

 

[Kirby]

Ginnivan is a breed unto himself so he’ll get support from some quarters no matter what. He’s played 4 VFL matches this year (I think) and only one of them has been at AFL standard. Despite that some want him ahead of a guy that’s played every senior match when fit. It’s mad.

2 of them

 

[sr36]

Ginnivan is a breed unto himself so he’ll get support from some quarters no matter what. He’s played 4 VFL matches this year (I think) and only one of them has been at AFL standard. Despite that some want him ahead of a guy that’s played every senior match when fit. It’s mad.

The strange thing is the logic of the one position guy being a more suitable sub than the bloke who can play every position.

 

[Laurie Holden]

The strange thing is the logic of the one position guy being a more suitable sub than the bloke who can play every position.

Agree although it’s not every position, more like 3 positions.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Our song also has the same racial undertones, A cakewalk was a dance undertaken mainly at slave plantations where the prize would be a cake.

Oh God! Rename us Merri-bek quickly!

 

[thebigsaveloy]

Great the WHE is straight back in, pretty quick recovery from a fractured hand!

He's not a sub IMO, his biggest strength is his running so you want him to play the whole game. A lot of his best moments have been in last quarters when his opponents just can't keep up.

From what I've seen so far Beau has been the best sub but I want him to play a full game. Most likely Markov will be our sub if he can hold his place, it should be someone with pace wither way. Although if Ginni can string multiple good games together in the VFL he will be considered too.

 

[3rdMan]

We're going to have to start trying our sub out for impact not just player management. Markov has had two without great impact (second better than first). Ginnivan, Beau, Mitchell and Reef probably the best sub performances so far.

Assuming a full list, I think Markov, WHE and Hill are competing for one spot and the sub. Don't see any other realistic options. I think Hill could be a great sub for impact, not flexibility, WHE best for flexibility, Markov not very flexible or impactful, the least likely sub for mine.

Will come down to performance over the next 5 games, but my guess is Markov in the 22, Hill sub and WHE to miss. I'd probably go with WHE ahead of Markov, as otherwise we're a forward short (as we are this week - one less than we've played most of the year anyway), but think Fly really likes Oleg. Some concerns over Hill's mentality as sub, but he has the tools to succeed in the role. Also think WHE can be a good sub, flexibility and potential scoreboard impact.

Outside options: AJ, Frampton, Ginnivan, Krueger, Reef. Aj, Frampton, Krueger too risky if we lose a runner early. Would need to play an extra runner in the 22 for this to be an option. Ginnivan and Reef not too likely, would need to pass two of WHE, Markov, Hill.

 

[Geelong_Bisons_#36]

Take a moment to appreciate the strong depth this year.
With Bobby Hill out too.
All those 4 would probably be in most teams best 22.