Opinion Commentary & Media VII

[giantroo]

 

[apollo_creed]

Still love Kingy. He's such a football nerd. Thankfully seems to have ditched the weird coloured blazers this year. Better to be fat in normal clothes, as you need to be bringing some serious spunk to get away with some of the blazers he has worn in recent years.

 

[DrZaius]

If it was directed at me then I would tell the person to * off.

I did qualify that this stuff is nothing like online bullying. That is the lowest of lowest acts.

I did also make the point that this stuff should stay on the field and not be leaked or reported to the media. You claim gay footballers are afraid to come out, I would think it isn’t simple name calling that stops that, but rather the * head media that would use it for their next story to generate some clicks.

I am afraid society has a lot to blame for how resilient people are. The generations of kids we are bringing up are getting less and less resilient because they live in a social media world and everything is given to them. Hell I am guilty of it with my kids, by giving them too much and not making them earn stuff and learn from hard work to earn something. Now they just expect stuff and truly don’t appreaciate their posessions.

I may be old fashioned, but the more people highlight these issues the more prevalent they become. If no one was outraged every 20 seconds, most of this stuff would be non-issues and sorted out by the people involved.

It's something that doesn't affect you personally so it's societies fault for being too soft. Got it.

You say people are getting "outraged" every 20 seconds, I say that maybe people are becoming fed up of others being campaigners for literally no reason.

 

[Makeshift Park]

This suggestion that the kids who survived the Covid lockdowns are softer than generation x or boomers is hilarious. Hilarious!

You'd think some of the old codgers around here had been conscripted to fight in the Somme the way they carry on.

 

[ToxicMegaPunts]

That first goal would have to be extremely rare occurance. A goal kicked from a centre bounce without any player actually taking possession. Can't think of another instance of this happening.

 

[big_e]

Living my life and not worrying about what might come out of some random dickheads mouth.

As I said in my post I’m not sure how people who are outraged by this type of thing would cope with real adversity.

There are a million things worse that could happen to you than being called a name, no matter how juvenile it might be.

I’m sure Universities will be soon be teaching a class on how to be outraged and blame everyone else but yourself for life’s problems.

I am no way likening this to vile behaviour like online bullying of kids etc. anyone that thinks a juvenile act like calling someone a name while playing footy is in that realm doesn’t get my post at all.

Maybe we should defer to one of our premiership players on this matter...

I know that in my playing or coaching days, if I was ever in earshot of a conversation about gay players, I would run for the hills. My anxiety would peak then spiral into depression and I would be agonising over if they knew about my gender issues.

I was fearful of what will they would think of me and the fear was paralysing. These emotions were real for me, as I knew my gender dysphoria was becoming very difficult to live with.

Or perhaps this...

My point of view as a member of the rainbow community is this — approximately 11 per cent of Australia’s population are in this community.

If this is extrapolated to AFL players, perhaps this means there are upwards of 80 players who maybe struggling with their gender or sexual orientation.

There were two teams out there on the weekend. If one of those players from either side was me — who was going through my experience — and I heard words to that effect, I can assure you, mental health is terribly affected. In fact the shame and fear are horrendous.

At any level, be it AFL or community football, we may lose great talent because everyone is not embraced for who they are.

I have spoken to many people in my travels and how they have quit our game because there is no one else like them or they are not welcomed.

We want a million people playing our game by the late 2020s. We are all human, we want to love, be loved and be supported.

Our game is for everyone, it will continue to be great with education, training understanding and acceptance.

 

[north_lad]

This suggestion that the kids who survived the Covid lockdowns are softer than generation x or boomers is hilarious. Hilarious!

You'd think some of the old codgers around here had been conscripted to fight in the Somme the way they carry on.

My parents were so irritating for like two years

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

If it was directed at me then I would tell the person to * off.

I did qualify that this stuff is nothing like online bullying. That is the lowest of lowest acts.

I did also make the point that this stuff should stay on the field and not be leaked or reported to the media. You claim gay footballers are afraid to come out, I would think it isn’t simple name calling that stops that, but rather the * head media that would use it for their next story to generate some clicks.

I am afraid society has a lot to blame for how resilient people are. The generations of kids we are bringing up are getting less and less resilient because they live in a social media world and everything is given to them. Hell I am guilty of it with my kids, by giving them too much and not making them earn stuff and learn from hard work to earn something. Now they just expect stuff and truly don’t appreaciate their posessions.

I may be old fashioned, but the more people highlight these issues the more prevalent they become. If no one was outraged every 20 seconds, most of this stuff would be non-issues and sorted out by the people involved.

Yes, I appreciate the point that prying media exploitation would be the most significant driver as to why gay footballers remain closeted.

But on point, I think you and I agree that it's not the outraged, loud voices that we should be changing our ways to accommodate. It's the gay kid in his room who takes the drastic step and tops himself. So, sure we can come down hard on online bullying. But shouldn't we also do all we can to remove the verbal homophobic abuse from both sides of the fence at the football? I can't imagine you would argue that the most severe racist slurs are okay if they just stay on the field.

 

[The Law]

Great release today. God I miss this man. Crazy to think we haven't had a decent small forward since Lindsay was creating havoc in and around the forward 50

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Great release today. God I miss this man. Crazy to think we haven't had a decent small forward since Lindsay was creating havoc in and around the forward 50

Our current predicament certainly make you appreciate him even more as a player.

 

[big_e]

Welcome back Tef.

The Law can't be Tef.

Because Tef fought The Law and The Law won.

 

[Cyber_punk]

We should have won this game.

A draw was severe unders for our effort that night

 

[koshari]

If it was directed at me then I would tell the person to * off.

I did qualify that this stuff is nothing like online bullying. That is the lowest of lowest acts.

I did also make the point that this stuff should stay on the field and not be leaked or reported to the media. You claim gay footballers are afraid to come out, I would think it isn’t simple name calling that stops that, but rather the * head media that would use it for their next story to generate some clicks.

I am afraid society has a lot to blame for how resilient people are. The generations of kids we are bringing up are getting less and less resilient because they live in a social media world and everything is given to them. Hell I am guilty of it with my kids, by giving them too much and not making them earn stuff and learn from hard work to earn something. Now they just expect stuff and truly don’t appreaciate their posessions.

I may be old fashioned, but the more people highlight these issues the more prevalent they become. If no one was outraged every 20 seconds, most of this stuff would be non-issues and sorted out by the people involved.

I actually think faux outrage has become a legitimate industry.

 

[koshari]

It's something that doesn't affect you personally so it's societies fault for being too soft. Got it.

You say people are getting "outraged" every 20 seconds, I say that maybe people are becoming fed up of others being campaigners for literally no reason.

Likely both

 

[Roosurgence]

Yes, I appreciate the point that prying media exploitation would be the most significant driver as to why gay footballers remain closeted.

But on point, I think you and I agree that it's not the outraged, loud voices that we should be changing our ways to accommodate. It's the gay kid in his room who takes the drastic step and tops himself. So, sure we can come down hard on online bullying. But shouldn't we also do all we can to remove the verbal homophobic abuse from both sides of the fence at the football? I can't imagine you would argue that the most severe racist slurs are okay if they just stay on the field.

I never said it was ok. What I said was keep it to the field and deal with it behind closed doors.

The problem is the AFL loves to feed this stuff to the media, because in some misguided way they see this as their opportunity to score social brownie points and be seen as doing something. All they actually achieve is to cause public outrage and division. But they are so hungry for any attention they don’t give a **** about the fallout.

Do we as a society need to know what Clarko or Jeremy Finlayson said on a football field? Has this had any bearing on anyone but the individuals concerned?

I’m not condoning he behaviour, just saying deal with it in house and stop putting it in the public domain. Then the gay kid you refer to doesn’t have to be bombarded with it.

 

[Roosurgence]

It's something that doesn't affect you personally so it's societies fault for being too soft. Got it.

You say people are getting "outraged" every 20 seconds, I say that maybe people are becoming fed up of others being campaigners for literally no reason.

Society is soft. People will always be campaigners, the quicker you realise that, the quicker you can move on and not let it define your life.

There is literally 1 million worse things happening in the world than someone getting called a name on a football field.

But you keep maintaining the rage, while most people will worry about more important things regardless of the world being full of campaigners.

 

[Roosurgence]

I actually think faux outrage has become a legitimate industry.

The biggest issue with all this faux outrage is that a lot of it comes from individuals that aren’t even directly connected to the issue.

A lot of individuals connected to it probably don’t want a part of it and take it for what it is, dickheads being dickheads.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

The biggest issue with all this faux outrage is that a lot of it comes from individuals that aren’t even directly connected to the issue.

A lot of individuals connected to it probably don’t want a part of it and take it for what it is, dickheads being dickheads.

Yep.

w***ers that elect to be outraged on behalf of others.

 

[koshari]

Yep.

w***ers that elect to be outraged on behalf of others.

Mostly people with abilities to monitise it, media, facebook, talkback radio etc...

 

[LB2Snake]

Great release today. God I miss this man. Crazy to think we haven't had a decent small forward since Lindsay was creating havoc in and around the forward 50

Under rated player IMO.
As good as Shai Bolton was this bloke, and the media absolutely fawn over Shai.
In fairness we’ve barely even tried to replace him in 20 years. Could have had a heap of replacements.

 

[FlyHigh18]

Spot the difference in journalism standards

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Great release today. God I miss this man. Crazy to think we haven't had a decent small forward since Lindsay was creating havoc in and around the forward 50

elite ****ing content from north.

what a man, what a player. legit miss him

 

[Epictetus]

elite ******* content from north.

what a man, what a player. legit miss him

Yep. He gave a shit. He played with personality and flare and, in his own way, mongrel.

 

[The Law]

Under rated player IMO.
As good as Shai Bolton was this bloke, and the media absolutely fawn over Shai.
In fairness we’ve barely even tried to replace him in 20 years. Could have had a heap of replacements.

Probably the most underrated in recent history and it still angers me how unfairly he was treated by the AFL and opposition supporters (getting zero protection and if anything the AFL encouraged the poor treatment).

Some of those goals are first class. The 45m goal with no shoe would have to be in my top 5 for greatest ever AFL goals.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

elite ******* content from north.

what a man, what a player. legit miss him

The highlights of his seven goal game against Carlton would rival any game in history. The campaigner had twelve scoring shots FFS.

Flat out phenomenal performance.