Opinion Commentary & Media VII

[LuvtheKangas]

Guys we are beyond shit.

Stop trying to convince yourself of greener grass and bluer skies. Face reality.

It's embarassing and we're pathetic. Every bit of evidence support this.

It's easy not to be too emotionally invested when one is honest with themselves. Delusion helps nothing.

Some of the stuff I've read in this forum over the past week has been very amusing. The coping mechanisms have been activated into overdrive (we're missing CCJ and would've won a couple of games with him, we expected to be this bad and things are on the right track).

No one, not even the most pessimistic supporter saw this coming, and no one should be happy with the state of the club at the moment.

 

[Midas]

I will say this … until the AFL allows players to trade players with no consent, all this competitive balance stuff is A Grade Baloney.

JHF demanding PA and the price they paid, regardless of what we received, was nowhere near equitable but GWS and WCE sucked up the fat, will always happen.

Had this been a thing where he had no voice would we have got more? I’m willing to bet yes.

This is the elephant in the room no one talks about but it’s a professional game, if you can’t travel interstate you don’t get to play.

FIFO workers get paid to work interstate because it’s part of the gig.

AFL players need to relocate and it’s part of the gig.

One thing Cornes has spoken about regularly and until that happens this will always be an issue.

 

[lockheed]

I will say this … until the AFL allows players to trade players with no consent, all this competitive balance stuff is A Grade Baloney.

JHF demanding PA and the price they paid, regardless of what we received, was nowhere near equitable but GWS and WCE sucked up the fat, will always happen.

Had this been a thing where he had no voice would we have got more? I’m willing to bet yes.

This is the elephant in the room no one talks about but it’s a professional game, if you can’t travel interstate you don’t get to play.

FIFO workers get paid to work interstate because it’s part of the gig.

AFL players need to relocate and it’s part of the gig.

One thing Cornes has spoken about regularly and until that happens this will always be an issue.

Would the AFLPA agree to that?

 

[Val Keating]

Would the AFLPA agree to that?

Not until a couple of years wages set them and their family up for life. As good as they get paid, the minimum wage isn’t enough for clubs to be able to uproot their families and sell them interstate.

They have kids in school, their partners have careers.

Maybe if there was a caveat that only players on a million plus PA could be traded without their consent?

 

[Reverend Shinboner]

Not until a couple of years wages set them and their family up for life. As good as they get paid, the minimum wage isn’t enough for clubs to be able to uproot their families and sell them interstate.

They have kids in school, their partners have careers.

Maybe if there was a caveat that only players on a million plus PA could be traded without their consent?

The idea to put a minimum figure on trading players without consent is a good one. But I would put the minimum at $150k, not $1m. $150k is bloody good coin, particularly for 18-30 year olds. It's not like they get sent to Christmas Island or Syria (which is apparently better than QLD), they're going to some of the world's most livable cities...

 

[LuvtheKangas]

The idea to put a minimum figure on trading players without consent is a good one. But I would put the minimum at $150k, not $1m. $150k is bloody good coin, particularly for 18-30 year olds. It's not like they get sent to Christmas Island or Syria (which is apparently better than QLD), they're going to some of the world's most livable cities...

Well, some would have to go to Adelaide too.

 

[Midas]

The idea to put a minimum figure on trading players without consent is a good one. But I would put the minimum at $150k, not $1m. $150k is bloody good coin, particularly for 18-30 year olds. It's not like they get sent to Christmas Island or Syria (which is apparently better than QLD), they're going to some of the world's most livable cities...

100 per cent. They could perhaps have a relocation stipend, or rent assistance if the contract length is only 12 months for example.

But until this happens, and it won’t because the AFLPA holds too much power, the inequities in the competition will continue infinitely because of the pull to larger clubs and the go-home factor.

 

[Val Keating]

The idea to put a minimum figure on trading players without consent is a good one. But I would put the minimum at $150k, not $1m. $150k is bloody good coin, particularly for 18-30 year olds. It's not like they get sent to Christmas Island or Syria (which is apparently better than QLD), they're going to some of the world's most livable cities...

It’s not enough money. Imagine if you have 2 kids in school and your partner is a teacher or something and then the next week you’re expected to move the whole family interstate when you’re a fringe best 23 player

 

[giantroo]

Ticks, crosses and top trade priorities: Every AFL club graded in midseason report card

Who AFL sliders must target to revive flag dreams as tense trade period looms — State of Play

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Caracas]

It’s not enough money. Imagine if you have 2 kids in school and your partner is a teacher or something and then the next week you’re expected to move the whole family interstate when you’re a fringe best 23 player

I can’t help but think that, regardless of any tweaks to the system, we’d still be in the exact same hole that we are in right now. We are where we are due to a coincidence of very bad decision making and bad luck.

 

[Val Keating]

I can’t help but think that, regardless of any tweaks to the system, we’d still be in the exact same hole that we are in right now. We are where we are due to a coincidence of very bad decision making and bad luck.

I’m not sure the decisions were that bad. We were stuck in that no man’s land of 7th-10th and needed to orchestrate a bottoming out to get access to top end talent through the draft which in theory should put us in the position of challenging for a flag after a period of short term pain.

When we were stuck in that middle table black hole the narrative was that North wouldn’t be able to survive bottoming out, so wouldn’t have access to top draft picks and therefore never really push for a flag.

I was in favour of the brave path the club chose at the time and still believe it was the right call. The only thing that matters is winning flags and I believe that was the only way North would be able to compete for one in the future, they tried to go down the trade/FA path but couldn’t get players.

 

[Midas]

Not until a couple of years wages set them and their family up for life. As good as they get paid, the minimum wage isn’t enough for clubs to be able to uproot their families and sell them interstate.

They have kids in school, their partners have careers.

Maybe if there was a caveat that only players on a million plus PA could be traded without their consent?

No offence, but cry me a river.

Relocation is a part of plenty of careers and it should be part of a national competition.

These blokes are living a childhood dream and like any career it can be cut throat.

But getting fair value for contracted players allows clubs more levers to pull that can make them competitive quicker.

They can’t have their cake and eat it too.

North whinging about not enough levers to pull is ironic when they’ve had a pre season draft sitting there that could have netted us CCJ,

It’s not enough money. Imagine if you have 2 kids in school and your partner is a teacher or something and then the next week you’re expected to move the whole family interstate when you’re a fringe best 23 player

Who would be on 250k

 

[Val Keating]

No offence, but cry me a river.

Relocation is a part of plenty of careers and it should be part of a national competition.

These blokes are living a childhood dream and like any career it can be cut throat.

But getting fair value for contracted players allows clubs more levers to pull that can make them competitive quicker.

They can’t have their cake and eat it too.

North whinging about not enough levers to pull is ironic when they’ve had a pre season draft sitting there that could have netted us CCJ,

Who would be on 250k

After listening to players and ex players like Phil Davis speak on this, that’s the main thing they bring up, and as it currently stands the players have all the power in that respect.

 

[Makeshift Park]

After listening to players and ex players like Phil Davis speak on this, that’s the main thing they bring up, and as it currently stands the players have all the power in that respect.

If there’s anyone out there struggling to support a family on 400k a year, I’d argue they have bigger problems than the possibility of relocating to another city.

 

[koshari]

Is it just me or is there absolutely no correlation between that stat and a team's position on the ladder?

sometimes it comes down the the technicalities of the stat, for Example, GWS transition as well as anyone but sit middle of that table, so i dont know what the prerquisite is, maybe GWS tend to pressure and rebound from turnovers rather than kicking,

also if a team is dominating and the oppo are not scoring points ( i suspect collingwood for example ) there will be less kickins to transition from so there would be less of a sample to accurately compare. obviously this isnt the case with us where we would likley have among the highest kick ins in the league.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

No offence, but cry me a river.

Relocation is a part of plenty of careers and it should be part of a national competition.

These blokes are living a childhood dream and like any career it can be cut throat.

But getting fair value for contracted players allows clubs more levers to pull that can make them competitive quicker.

They can’t have their cake and eat it too.

North whinging about not enough levers to pull is ironic when they’ve had a pre season draft sitting there that could have netted us CCJ,

Who would be on 250k

I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated but CCJ and his manager refused to exercise the pre-season draft. Now, we could have told him that if he wanted to come to North, it was PSD or stay where you are, and almost certainly he would have chosen to stay at Richmond. In hindsight, that would have been a better outcome for us, but for posters to keep regurgitating the fallacy that we had PSD as an option in that trade is just so tiresome.

 

[Caracas]

I’m not sure the decisions were that bad. We were stuck in that no man’s land of 7th-10th and needed to orchestrate a bottoming out to get access to top end talent through the draft which in theory should put us in the position of challenging for a flag after a period of short term pain.

When we were stuck in that middle table black hole the narrative was that North wouldn’t be able to survive bottoming out, so wouldn’t have access to top draft picks and therefore never really push for a flag.

I was in favour of the brave path the club chose at the time and still believe it was the right call. The only thing that matters is winning flags and I believe that was the only way North would be able to compete for one in the future, they tried to go down the trade/FA path but couldn’t get players.

Yeah, I agree with you, Val. Apollo Creed’s posts of “harsh reality” are having their effect on me, I suppose. We’re way beyond “bottoming out” at this stage, though.

 

[giantroo]

 

[big_e]

100 per cent. They could perhaps have a relocation stipend, or rent assistance if the contract length is only 12 months for example.

But until this happens, and it won’t because the AFLPA holds too much power, the inequities in the competition will continue infinitely because of the pull to larger clubs and the go-home factor.

Relocation expenses are already included in the current CBA.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

About time. Now watch for an increase in players throwing and dropping ball now they have less time to dispose of the ball and watch the umpires completely ignore these free kicks too.

 

[apollo_creed]

I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated but CCJ and his manager refused to exercise the pre-season draft. Now, we could have told him that if he wanted to come to North, it was PSD or stay where you are, and almost certainly he would have chosen to stay at Richmond. In hindsight, that would have been a better outcome for us, but for posters to keep regurgitating the fallacy that we had PSD as an option in that trade is just so tiresome.

Or not traded what we did. We blinked first and overpaid.

90% of the time what clubs first ask for a wantaway player is excessive and they know the actual deal will be worse. Somehow we gave them their excessive demand instead of holding firm.

Idiotic. Unless you're an apologist in which case what a great bit of business by the worst team and recruiters in the AFL era.

 

[Midas]

I can’t have us whinging about wanting more levers to pull when we haven’t even bothered to use the Pre Season Draft for what it’s there for.

Don’t know why we blinked, and don’t know why players coming to the Club don’t want to be ruthless and put the club they are going to in the best position.

If we used that lever we could have had CCJ, Logue and Fisher and used the draft capital used to acquire more talent.

Instead we have to be the nice guys and invariably we are just the fluffer for better deals and nothing particularly advantageous has come back our way yet either.

 

[Loose_Cannon]

Would the AFLPA agree to that?

I doubt they would consider that until the player's share of revenue is closer to 50% (currently 28%), like it is in other professional leagues where trading players requires no, or limited, agreement from the player. Most leagues add protections for veteran players (see the MLB 10-5 rule) that could be added in to help offset the concerns players with families would have.

 

[Val Keating]

Yeah, I agree with you, Val. Apollo Creed’s posts of “harsh reality” are having their effect on me, I suppose. We’re way beyond “bottoming out” at this stage, though.

Oh yeah, don’t get me wrong, it’s dogshit

 

[DuckYeah]

No one knows the rules. Not even the AFL