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gokangas said:
Still the best all-round footballer I have ever seen. The man was football genius. Like you said Hoj - just so hard to fathom this dark side of my idol. He can rot in hell. I am still a little confused about why there hasn't been criminal charges and what is the status of the civil action in comparison. For example, he is being described in all the worst ways for his evil but he has never been convicted. Does the civil findings hold the same weight as a criminal conviction?
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It’s not the same thing and as others have mentioned the burden of proof is lower
Hojuman said:
Jeez, it's difficult to comprehend to Cable situation. For us oldies he was a champion player & rover and to watch any highlights from the glorious '70's will always feature his brilliance. Went close to jagging us a flag as coach in 1983 as well.

But without doubt it seems he had a dark and evil side. Undoubtedly our other champion players and aged club stalwarts would be disgusted. Think Greig, Shimmelbusch, Kekovich, Wade, Davis, Briedis, Burns, Henshaw who played alongside him or were coached by him.

I'm sure the club is looking at a statement esp.with Sonja & Jen in charge. Think it's a tad unfair as this occurred over 40 years ago and most people at the club now might have never met him, or if they have just over a quick conversation at a crowded function.

I'm sure a few of us have come across these types of people. We know how their other side is well hidden as they ingratiate themselves into peoples lives as coaches, teachers, priests ☹ They are sneaky bastard's to put it colloquially.

His life, family & legacy destroyed be hard to ever show his face in public again.
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my dear Mother Hojuman was a very passionate Cable fan as he was from a neighbouring area, she was very upset about it
Unfortunately (and fortunately I may add, that women are treated seriously in this regard and there is sufficient processes to find these things out), this is what the world we have
Footballers/celebrities are always people, capable of great good and great bad
 
gokangas said:
Still the best all-round footballer I have ever seen. The man was football genius. Like you said Hoj - just so hard to fathom this dark side of my idol. He can rot in hell. I am still a little confused about why there hasn't been criminal charges and what is the status of the civil action in comparison. For example, he is being described in all the worst ways for his evil but he has never been convicted. Does the civil findings hold the same weight?
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Sure we have some legal minds on here who can answer those questions. But l have no doubt that these women have any reason to lie and these things occurred.

We had a school teacher, pillar of the community, awards, MBE, etc.etc. But as schoolboys we knew what he was up to. No-one believed us back then. 35 years later he took his own life as the charges were about to be laid.
 
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krakouers said:
It’s not the same thing and as others have mentioned the burden of proof is lower
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So the media attacks are against a man never convicted - just confuses me tbh. I suppose they have the protection of the evidence being delivered in court. I stress again I do not think it is all bull5hit - Cable takes on POS status to me. But the legal side is interesting.
 

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gokangas said:
So the media attacks are against a man never convicted - just confuses me tbh. I suppose they have the protection of the evidence being delivered in court. I stress again I do not think it is all bull5hit - Cable takes on POS status to me. But the legal side is interesting.
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It’s always hard (in my limited understanding) of getting the burden of proof on some elements that happened so long ago, some memories are hazy, good lawyers have habits of querying elements, so a civil suit works from relying just on what can be proved or what can be alleged to have happened
 
krakouers said:
It’s always hard (in my limited understanding) of getting the burden of proof on some elements that happened so long ago, some memories are hazy, good lawyers have habits of querying elements, so a civil suit works from relying just on what can be proved or what can be alleged to have happened
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Would have thought that a judge would need similar levels of proof whether civil or criminal.
 
The tendency of people on this board to defend, diminish or question the indefensible just because someone may have worn a jumper we associate closely with is embarrassing and puerile.
 
gokangas said:
So the media attacks are against a man never convicted - just confuses me tbh. I suppose they have the protection of the evidence being delivered in court. I stress again I do not think it is all bull5hit - Cable takes on POS status to me. But the legal side is interesting.
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He’s been found on the balance of probabilities to be a serial child abuser.

For the case to be successful in a criminal case, the prosecutors would need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

Which I imagine would be difficult, given the historical nature of the incidents.
 
gokangas said:
Would have thought that a judge would need similar levels of proof whether civil or criminal.
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If it ever happens to you, take advise from the great Aussie band The Cruel Sea
“Get yourself a lawyer son, get yourself a real good one”
Not sure on what was said and what was presented but obviously it was enough to show while there may be not enough to formerly convict him (using a Rolf Harris as an example) there was evidence to show the woman had suffered sufficient “damages” (civil isn’t my area so apologies if it isn’t the word but from a contractual POV)
It’s possible to prove one without the other
 
Makeshift Park said:
He’s been found on the balance of probabilities to be a serial child abuser.

For the case to be successful in a criminal case, the prosecutors would need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

Which I imagine would be difficult, given the historical nature of the incidents.
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Bang on it
 
king of the road said:
The tendency of people on this board to defend, diminish or question the indefensible just because someone may have worn a jumper we associate closely with is embarrassing and puerile.
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People are people, Ying and Yang 🤷‍♂️

Personally, I loved Carey as a child
As an adult, that man is scum, I don’t condone what he did, but it’s hard to not look at him like I did as a kid and admire what he could do… He still remains (painfully) our last premiership captain
 
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The lawyer's whack at the AFL and the Club is legitimate but only after Cable's right to appeal lapses which it will shortly.

Once it lapses, all the things he suggests should definitely happen including our Club condemning the behaviour and offering support. I'm confident they'll do it.

I hope the lawyer is looking real hard though at the bankruptcy because I'm assuming Cable's not sleeping on a park bench these days. Fair bet there's been some recent shifting of assets. They've got to jump on that bs.
 
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Hojuman said:
Sure we have some legal minds on here who can answer those questions. But l have no doubt that these women have any reason to lie and these things occurred.

We had a school teacher, pillar of the community, awards, MBE, etc.etc. But as schoolboys we knew what he was up to. No-one believed us back then. 35 years later he took his own life as the charges were about to be laid.
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Its hard to prove something beyond reasonable doubt when it happened 30 years ago. Especially if cops were involved in covering it up cos evidence may have disappeared. This case was mentioned in a RC into WA police corruption tho so that gives more weight to the finding than just "the balance of probabilities".

Pretty devastated to be honest, looked up to Cable as a kid. Not as devastated as his victims tho.

What a pos.
 

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What exactly do the victims want North to say/do?

It's got nothing to do with us. We didn't have anything to do with what he did.


Used to work with a guy who was busted with thousands of pics of kids on his computer... yeah, those kinds of pics.
In that case I wouldn't have expected his workplace to make a statement on it, it's not like they weren't enabling him or anything.
 
gokangas said:
So the media attacks are against a man never convicted - just confuses me tbh. I suppose they have the protection of the evidence being delivered in court. I stress again I do not think it is all bull5hit - Cable takes on POS status to me. But the legal side is interesting.
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It's been mentioned several times in these threads in recent weeks.

He was friends with senior police officers. The Royal Commission into corruption in the WA Police found that police ran dead on the matter, deliberately not investigating it properly.
 
Roscoe said:
This was 40 years ago, it could have been any other team he coached or played for. The current club is not responsible in any way for the findings in a civil case against Cable.
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Nobody is saying the club is responsible.

Removing him from things like Team of the Century, Halls of Fame, etc is appropriate, imo. You can't take away premierships, medals, etc, that's history and it can't be changed.

But people are put into TOTC and HOF to honour them, and Cable has done things that mean he should not be honoured.

As an aside, I really ****ing hope that nobody at the club back when he was playing and coaching had any knowledge of these matters.
 
big_e said:
Nobody is saying the club is responsible.

Removing him from things like Team of the Century, Halls of Fame, etc is appropriate, imo. You can't take away premierships, medals, etc, that's history and it can't be changed.

But people are put into TOTC and HOF to honour them, and Cable has done things that mean he should not be honoured.
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It's been a week, logic would dictate all of that will come in due course

big_e said:
As an aside, I really ******* hope that nobody at the club back when he was playing and coaching had any knowledge of these matters.
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On the surface if it was found to be unequivocally the case they knew, felt the allegations were valid, and chose to ignore it, then it would be time to buy a Giants membership for me, but the problem with that if it does become an issue is Aylett, Joseph and Mantello are all dead and can't defend themselves, and Bob Ansett and Lloyd Holyoak are both 90, and Barassi is 87, not sure how you could expect to get a satisfactorily clear picture of events from 40 years ago given those circumstances.
 
Whilst rumours have been there for a long time, it's sad to have this situation confirmed. Tragic, obviously, for the women (girls) who endured this abuse. The number of girls and the number of occasions says a lot about his character or underlying mental health, or both. Regardless, it's inexcusable, and he's lucky not to have faced criminal proceedings and, likely, sanction.

It is sad, as a NM supporter, who loved watching Cable play, as it taints those memories of his on-field prowess. Like Carey, it evokes 'Why can't we have nice things?' sentiments, but that pales alongside what the girls went through.

As for the club, NMFC isn't exactly the Catholic Church, and the girls weren't under the care of North Melbourne, but I certainly hope there was no knowledge or cover-up going on. As for statements of concern, I'm sure Sonja and Jen would be all over this and trust their judgement as leaders and as women.
 
Woolly Mammoth said:
Who has actually done that in this case?
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I remember people early on in this thread questioning when he did what he did. Was he at Nth? Had he moved on? Does it relate to the club?
When that’s your primary consideration given what’s happened - you’re off the mark.
Many more examples.
 
krakouers said:
People are people, Ying and Yang 🤷‍♂️

Personally, I loved Carey as a child
As an adult, that man is scum, I don’t condone what he did, but it’s hard to not look at him like I did as a kid and admire what he could do… He still remains (painfully) our last premiership captain
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I get that too.
I have a strong positive attachment to the club and affinity with the players.
Sometimes that clouds your perspective for sure, particularly when you are young.
But to have that perspective over ride your logic when you’re older is the definition of puerile.
Not saying that’s you - just something in general we’re prone to.
 
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