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In that era, Lmac was is the least of our issues draft-wise.
2011 Brad McKenzie
2012 Taylor Garner
2013 Luke McDonald
2014 Sam Durdin
2015 Ben McCay
He stands out as the best first round pick of five years in terms of positive output for the club.
We already were shafted by rule changes. The change of father son from 50 to 100 games when Josh Kelly was 17 was clearly manipulated that he would end up at GWS. **** other clubs and their father sons. If they’re good enough, we’ll pay the price.Yeah, you're spot on. Every whinge rebounds awkwardly in this way. Just when you think you're finally going to game the system, years of complaining sees the system change just at the wrong moment.
While I agree with the substance of your post, I don't agree with the bolded. If you ever saw Peter Daicos play, there's a good argument that he indeed does possess some crazy football powers. He was an absolute freak - elite vision, play reading ability and off the charts ball skills. In 1990, he kicked 97 goals playing mainly as a pocket/flanker.Clubs should be careful complaining about father-sons. Swings and roundabouts. Saints might be unlucky but it isn’t as if Peter Daicos had some crazy power others don’t to teach his kids.
Geelong drafted Hawkins with a third rounder, which resulted in the system changing. If the system didn’t change we could have picked up McDonald for a third instead of a first.
The odds of a son being good enough to play at the highest level is so low it's ridiculous - yet we have all these mind numbing rules.
For starters, what's this silly 100 games rubbish?
The joy in following in your father's footsteps is no less because he only played 99 games instead of 100.
What's wrong with unpredictability.
Brilliant idea, but common sense and logic are the flaws in the argument. Our transparent AFL will never do it.is there any reason why if a player who qualifies as father son, the AFL make it so they are not eligible as an academy pick with current rules.
This makes more sense to me.
I just think the AFL cant have it both ways in this scenario.
If the AFL continue to allow both options for a player in this scenario then imo makes father son rule is obsolete, which I would prefer to keep for history the game.
just interested in others thoughts here.
From the AFL's perspective Academies are for expansion clubs to get cheap talent in and those club's have an inherent issue with obtaining father-son recruits due to how recently they joined the competition. Hence, father sons can be drafted as an academy pick. The AFL can and does have it both ways, and they try to have it both ways with as many things as inhumanly possible.is there any reason why if a player who qualifies as father son, the AFL make it so they are not eligible as an academy pick with current rules.
This makes more sense to me.
I just think the AFL cant have it both ways in this scenario.
If the AFL continue to allow both options for a player in this scenario then imo makes father son rule is obsolete, which I would prefer to keep for history the game.
just interested in others thoughts here.
I'd have thought that Sydney and Brisbane have been around long enough that they can generate their own father-son picks.From the AFL's perspective Academies are for expansion clubs to get cheap talent in and those club's have an inherent issue with obtaining father-son recruits due to how recently they joined the competition. Hence, father sons can be drafted as an academy pick. The AFL can and does have it both ways, and they try to have it both ways with as many things as inhumanly possible.
Societally friendly taxpayer funded game, and balls deep with gambling and drinking partners.
Player welfare and protecting the head is of utmost importance, but knees to the back of the head in a marking contest look ****ing awesome in marketing material so we can't remove that aspect.
Umpires abuse makes recruiting and retaining umpires difficult so we'll lie about how good they are and instruct the media not to go hard on them, but **** NO we are not going to do anything to ensure there are less reasons to be upset with the umpires. Making them full time to try and improve standards and make it a career path? Make the rules easier to interpret? Even just have the rules be the same for 3 years in a row so punters actually understand what they're talking about when criticising the umpires is a bridge too far.
Sure, but they're also expansion markets so if they could be winning more than losing the AFL would really appreciate that.I'd have thought that Sydney and Brisbane have been around long enough that they can generate their own father-son picks.
As you've said, and as we know, favoritism and the desire to maximise the game easily outweighs equalisation.Sure, but they're also expansion markets so if they could be winning more than losing the AFL would really appreciate that.
It's not just that, NRL has no drafts so the clubs develop regions. The junior players in those regions know that if they are good enough they can stay in state. The academies are so junior players are more likely to chose to play AFL safe in the knowledge that if they are good enough they can stay in the stateFrom the AFL's perspective Academies are for expansion clubs to get cheap talent in and those club's have an inherent issue with obtaining father-son recruits due to how recently they joined the competition. Hence, father sons can be drafted as an academy pick. The AFL can and does have it both ways, and they try to have it both ways with as many things as inhumanly possible.
Societally friendly taxpayer funded game, and balls deep with gambling and drinking partners.
Player welfare and protecting the head is of utmost importance, but knees to the back of the head in a marking contest look ****ing awesome in marketing material so we can't remove that aspect.
Umpires abuse makes recruiting and retaining umpires difficult so we'll lie about how good they are and instruct the media not to go hard on them, but **** NO we are not going to do anything to ensure there are less reasons to be upset with the umpires. Making them full time to try and improve standards and make it a career path? Make the rules easier to interpret? Even just have the rules be the same for 3 years in a row so punters actually understand what they're talking about when criticising the umpires is a bridge too far.
One of them just the Norm Smith Medal!I'd have thought that Sydney and Brisbane have been around long enough that they can generate their own father-son picks.
Conveniently allows for franchises in the northern states to gain an advantage in recruiting that is less able to be countered by the club of the father.For starters, what's this silly 100 games rubbish?
Bloody hell Devington. Did you get a knock on the head or something last night? It's the friggin' AFL.From the AFL's perspective Academies are for expansion clubs to get cheap talent in and those club's have an inherent issue with obtaining father-son recruits due to how recently they joined the competition. Hence, father sons can be drafted as an academy pick. The AFL can and does have it both ways, and they try to have it both ways with as many things as inhumanly possible.
Societally friendly taxpayer funded game, and balls deep with gambling and drinking partners.
Player welfare and protecting the head is of utmost importance, but knees to the back of the head in a marking contest look ****ing awesome in marketing material so we can't remove that aspect.
Umpires abuse makes recruiting and retaining umpires difficult so we'll lie about how good they are and instruct the media not to go hard on them, but **** NO we are not going to do anything to ensure there are less reasons to be upset with the umpires. Making them full time to try and improve standards and make it a career path? Make the rules easier to interpret? Even just have the rules be the same for 3 years in a row so punters actually understand what they're talking about when criticising the umpires is a bridge too far.
Logically it makes sense, if a draft prospect is F/S eligible, it means his dad played at least 100 games of footy, so hard to see how they would be lost to the game. Cynically, it seems if they can be declared eligible to one of the non-AFL state northern clubs, the AFL sees that as a good thing.is there any reason why if a player who qualifies as father son, the AFL make it so they are not eligible as an academy pick with current rules.
This makes more sense to me.
I just think the AFL cant have it both ways in this scenario.
If the AFL continue to allow both options for a player in this scenario then imo makes father son rule is obsolete, which I would prefer to keep for history the game.
just interested in others thoughts here.
Funny you should say that ...Should make it one game.
Watch some club identify a top notch 15yo, draft his 45yo Dad, pick the dad once as an unused sub and then claim the kid as father son. It'd be awesome.
garner was great other than the injuries, hindsight is 20/20In that era, Lmac was is the least of our issues draft-wise.
2011 Brad McKenzie
2012 Taylor Garner
2013 Luke McDonald
2014 Sam Durdin
2015 Ben McCay
He stands out as the best first round pick of five years in terms of positive output for the club.
is there any reason why if a player who qualifies as father son, the AFL make it so they are not eligible as an academy pick with current rules.
From the AFL's perspective Academies are for expansion clubs to get cheap talent in and those club's have an inherent issue with obtaining father-son recruits due to how recently they joined the competition. Hence, father sons can be drafted as an academy pick. The AFL can and does have it both ways, and they try to have it both ways with as many things as inhumanly possible.
I'd have thought that Sydney and Brisbane have been around long enough that they can generate their own father-son picks.
If nobody with a pick before us (ie in the top seven) bid on him, we would have been able to get him with our second pick, which was 26.Why did WC bid on him too?
This is a development problem for us. Not a talent ID issue.
Most recruiters fit the 190cm McDonald in the top five or six players of this year's draft pool, and see him moving into the midfield in time after starting his career as a rebounding, skilful defender.
McDonald's stocks rose last year when he was a standout for Vic Metro as a 17-year-old. He was also eligible for the Greater Western Sydney mini-draft and had some interest from clubs before coming to an arrangement with the Kangaroos.
He captained Vic Metro this year and warmed to the position, and is an outgoing personality who is a natural leader.
Riley Sanders likes this!Yeah, you're spot on. Every whinge rebounds awkwardly in this way. Just when you think you're finally going to game the system, years of complaining sees the system change just at the wrong moment.
Make it happen Sonja!Should make it one game.
Watch some club identify a top notch 15yo, draft his 45yo Dad, pick the dad once as an unused sub and then claim the kid as father son. It'd be awesome.