Tasmania Congratulations on Tassie License. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Other details TBA 3/5

[Chief]

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Tasmania - Tasmania Devils, welcome to the AFL. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Labor declares support for Stadium 6/5

Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/congratulations-on-tassie-license-mens-team-to-enter-2028-womens-team-tba-other-details-tba-3-5.1226653/ Was going to draft up a Summary but this is pretty good...

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[Walshawk]

This needs to be followed through on. If it isn't, AFL will know they can use us however they see fit moving forward.

With FIFO Tassie crowds half of what they were 5 - 10 years ago, and likely to halve again if no Tas team, not sure that the clubs, the AFL or the Tas govt will want the current arrangement to continue. Footy is done in Tassie if they don’t get a team.

 

[madmug]

With FIFO Tassie crowds half of what they were 5 - 10 years ago, and likely to halve again if no Tas team, not sure that the clubs, the AFL or the Tas govt will want the current arrangement to continue. Footy is done in Tassie if they don’t get a team.

Its pretty well done now. We either get a team to reignite the passion & health of the game here, or we start to organise the funeral arrangements now.

Maybe go out in style, have a decent Irish wake, beers, beer, beers etc.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

With FIFO Tassie crowds half of what they were 5 - 10 years ago, and likely to halve again if no Tas team, not sure that the clubs, the AFL or the Tas govt will want the current arrangement to continue. Footy is done in Tassie if they don’t get a team.

The crowds don’t bother the clubs or the afl though they get paid either way that’s why it needs to end

 

[Mr Taswegian]

The Tasmanian premier has today confirmed the Tassie AFL bid to be put to the president's in a couple of weeks will not include a new stadium. It is going to be interesting to see what sort of effect this has on our chances considering most president's have said it is very important,a very interesting few weeks ahead.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Premier confirms new stadium won't be part of Tassie's AFL bid

Tasmania confirms their formal proposal for the league's 19th licence won't include a new stadium ahead of a vote this month

www.afl.com.au

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If this doesn't get up, Gutwein deserves a big share of the blame for leaking the $750m stadium proposal and raising everyone's expectations. That enabled the AFL to make their ultimatum.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Premier confirms new stadium won't be part of Tassie's AFL bid

Tasmania confirms their formal proposal for the league's 19th licence won't include a new stadium ahead of a vote this month

www.afl.com.au

That is not good news for our bid considering most president's see it as a very important part of the bid.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

If this doesn't get up, Gutwein deserves a big share of the blame for leaking the $750m stadium proposal and raising everyone's expectations. That enabled the AFL to make their ultimatum.

Obviously they realised getting the money for a stadium by months end was never going to happen, definitely a major blow to our chances.

 

[Walshawk]

Best they can hope for now is a provisional/sub license without an entry date like Port got in 1994. Port’s was conditional on a merger taking place, Tassie’s will be conditional on a fully funded, AFL approved 25k stadium. The ball will then be placed back in Tassie’s court.

 

[The_Wookie]

Obviously they realised getting the money for a stadium by months end was never going to happen, definitely a major blow to our chances.

I think the AFL wanted a stadium guarantee, not the funding in place.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Nah I actually live overseas in the real world. You live in a country where the biggest football code upsets you.

´Go and do my school homework´....coming from you... someone that gets so triggered by a sport that he joins a web site just to troll it. lol.

What normal person does this?? Either a full **** or just no life.

I live overseas as well, and have worked overseas as well for many years
Are you one of those wannabee Pom's who wants to be Australian, but haven't the skill set to live in Australia?

 

[Walshawk]

I think the AFL wanted a stadium guarantee, not the funding in place.

Funding is the issue, so they are pretty much the same thing.

 

[Tassie_Tiger]

We now find ourselves in a catch 22. Will only get a 19th license if we fund a stadium and we can only consider full funding for a stadium if we have a 19th license.

 

[madmug]

I think the AFL wanted a stadium guarantee, not the funding in place.

I don't think you can make a guarantee unless you have a line of finance.

That in itself would be dependent on a business case which in this case would necessarily include an AFL licence.

The Feds have said they would make no comment of support until they saw an AFL team would be part of the bid for stadium money. Townsville got money for their new stadium years after they had an NRL team.

Even the AFL had to guarantee AFL GF's for 40 years before the refurbishment of the MCG was undertaken.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

We now find ourselves in a catch 22. Will only get a 19th license if we fund a stadium and we can only consider full funding for a stadium if we have a 19th license.

This is where conditional funding comes in, they should allocate funding for the stadium but only break ground when a licence is awarded.

 

[fargothegreat]

I think the AFL wanted a stadium guarantee, not the funding in place.

Right now we've got a state government committed to funding half the stadium and a federal government open to helping IF the state gets a licence.

Given the timeframe, I don't think you can ask for much more than that.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Right now we've got a state government committed to funding half the stadium and a federal government open to helping IF the state gets a licence.

Given the timeframe, I don't think you can ask for much more than that.

So do you think we will still get a licence at months end?

 

[MickG88]

What if Tasmania gets a license for the VFL with the provision that in two years they will enter the AFL. This would allow the Tasmanian team to recruit coaches and players well before their first year in the AFL system and give the coaches time to implement and train game plans and styles into the team.

 

[The_Wookie]

So do you think we will still get a licence at months end?

Depends on the stadium situation. Its not going to be seen as a viable bid without something like a minimum 30k capacity stadium.

Its all very well for people to throw the current state of the venues, and mars stadium and other regional venues which are occasionally used for traveling teams matches. Its quite another to expect the league to take a home team seriously playing out of sub 30k home venues in what they claim is natural AFL territory.

Even then, I think that the majority would vote yes, but the nay vote cant be the loudest voices in the room in it still wont get over. And thats the problem now.

 

[fargothegreat]

So do you think we will still get a licence at months end?

I don't think the AFL can afford to give a flat no answer, given the outrage it would cause and the North/Hawthorn money they would be lost. I also think any attempt to delay a decision would be seen by the government as "kicking the can down the road" and also mean no North/Hawthorn money. I don't think the AFL pulled that lever last year and can't get away with it again.

I think there's only two possible ways this can go:

• The AFL awards Tasmania a conditional licence that grants entry upon a stadium being built (or as a stadium is being built)
• The AFL awards Tasmania a licence outright because they're already confident a stadium can be funded (probably requires a wink wink nudge nudge from within the Federal Government)

 

[fargothegreat]

Depends on the stadium situation. Its not going to be seen as a viable bid without something like a minimum 30k capacity stadium.

Its all very well for people to throw the current state of the venues, and mars stadium and other regional venues which are occasionally used for traveling teams matches. Its quite another to expect the league to take a home team seriously playing out of sub 30k home venues in what they claim is natural AFL territory.

Even then, I think that the majority would vote yes, but the nay vote cant be the loudest voices in the room in it still wont get over. And thats the problem now.

The AFL is quite comfortable with a 25,000 seat stadium being built (same as GWS and GC). In fact, there's even been talk of a capacity as low as 22,000. They want the stadium for broadcast reasons, not because the current stadia have capacity issues.

 

[fargothegreat]

A BRAND new $750m stadium on Hobart’s waterfront could be a step closer on Wednesday when Federal Labor minister Catherine King backed Tasmania’s bid for an AFL team and said the Albanese Government would “talk constructively with the Tasmanian government” about the state’s infrastructure requirements.
Federal Infrastructure Minister, Ms King said the first priority was to land the 19th license and then focus on building the proposed state-of-the-art roofed stadium.

“It’s important that that 19th license is secured and that the AFL operates in good faith with Tasmanians to ensure that that 19th license is delivered,” she said.

“We’ll have discussions with the Tasmanian government about infrastructure needs, including infrastructure needs for sporting facilities, to enable that to function well, if that 19th license occurs.

“This is about not going out too early, not going out announcing things that, really, we may not be able to deliver because, at the end of the day, securing that 19th license is really important.”

Ms King encouraged the AFL to “talk to the Tasmanian government closely about how that happens”.

“You are a football-loving state and I hope very much that that 19th license happens and then we will talk constructively with the Tasmanian government about the infrastructure needs,” she said.

I don't mind this from the Feds. They're putting the pressure on the AFL to commit to Tasmania before they will commit to the stadium. I'd heard similar views privately from a friend inside the party, but its good to have the minister come out publicly and put the onus back on the AFL to deliver.

 

[theyellowsash]

honestly tas should tell the afl to go shove it with their stadium demands. all they should have to do is prove that they can be solvent with the current stadiums in the short term, with a long term plan to upgrade stands incrementally like the mcg does as capacity demands or the old stadiums reach their use by date. isnt the one north play at less than 10 years old?

 

[Tasmanian saint]

If this doesn't get up, Gutwein deserves a big share of the blame for leaking the $750m stadium proposal and raising everyone's expectations. That enabled the AFL to make their ultimatum.

Absolute rubbish the only reason we actually have a bid to begin at an advanced stage and even a chance of happening is down to Peter gutwein putting in the work and continuing to push the issue with the afl . Its the afl who unprofessionally have decided to move the goal posts at the last minute this whole process has been unbelievably unprofessional on there end

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Depends on the stadium situation. Its not going to be seen as a viable bid without something like a minimum 30k capacity stadium.

Its all very well for people to throw the current state of the venues, and mars stadium and other regional venues which are occasionally used for traveling teams matches. Its quite another to expect the league to take a home team seriously playing out of sub 30k home venues in what they claim is natural AFL territory.

Even then, I think that the majority would vote yes, but the nay vote cant be the loudest voices in the room in it still wont get over. And thats the problem now.

Did the two western Australian and south Australian clubs have brand new stadiums to play out of when they entered? These are not regional areas and both Subiaco and football park where out dated second rate stadiums it’s decades in before these clubs have got new stadiums. Brisbane are literally only getting a new stadium now due to the Olympics. The afl have gone out of there way to set ridiculous over the top demands for Tasmania hoping they won’t get met