Analysis Conspiracy theories surrounding Geelong's list management and salary cap

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Aug 7, 2016
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In light of Geelong's ability to target and successfully recruit yet another high-profile player to the club in Bailey Smith, I would like to examine the conjecture which surrounded not just Bailey's acquisition, but those of all his predecessors in the last decade.

Scrolling through BigFooty and social media in the last few days really got me reminiscing about some of the crazy conspiracy theories that have been bandied around by opposition supporters towards Geelong for the better part of fifteen years.

I think I first began to notice some rumblings on Facebook as Geelong became very successful in the late 2000s. Much was made in the media about Geelong players' vaunted taking unders for success initiative to explain how such a talented group could remain together for so long. A claim that was met with cynicism by some pundits.

However, once we lost Ablett to the newly formed Suns in 2010, the heat came off a bit, despite winning the flag the following year. Most neutrals saw us as being merely lucky to have snagged one more flag in 2011, as the oldest side in the competition, and that surely the "too old, too slow" Cats wouldn't be "too good" for a very long while, either.

As someone who lives in Adelaide, when Chris Scott and Jimmy Bartel were spotted at Adelaide airport and questioned by Channel 9 reporter, Tom Rehn, in 2012, after a suspected courting of Travis Boak, it wasn't just Port fans who were a little miffed. Crows fans, too, were a little on edge about the prospect of one day, Patrick Dangerfield, heading back to the motherland of Moggs Creek.

The attempted heist was as daring as it was brazen, but ultimately proved unsuccessful. However, as quickly as Travis Boak's admirable loyalty to Port Adelaide was accepted, the rumour mill swiftly turned to when, not if Geelong would be back to West Horsham to make a play for Patrick Dangerfield.

And, sure enough, with those seeds of fear planted in the minds of the Crows' faithful, the cynicism and toxicity within that supporter base - who were reeling from the very recent defections of players like Phil Davis to GWS, Kurt Tippett to Sydney, and Jack Gunston to Hawthorn (just to name a few) - was starting to foment by the year's end.

As much as this isn't about the Adelaide Crows, I feel that it was the pursuit and eventual success of managing to obtain the signature of Patrick Dangerfield that really set things of a conspiratorial nature in motion.

I especially recall some of the crazy things that Adelaide supporters were saying in the early days about Mardi Harwood, daughter of ex-Mayor of the City of Greater Geelong, Bruce Harwood. Some wild accusations were made around the influence that Mardi had over Patrick, and her ability to manipulate him vis-à-vis Bruce's influence and standing within the Geelong community.

It's been claimed, without evidence, that Mardi "refused" to start a family until they moved back to Geelong, and that Bruce, along with the late Frank Costa, were pulling strings behind the scenes to facilitate a move to the Geelong Football Club

Bruce himself didn't escape the ire of the Adelaide faithful where, on one occasion, the Geelong Football Club facilitated hosting the extended Dangerfield family with something like "thirty seats" at Simonds Stadium being made available. This was said to have been orchestrated by Mr. Harwood using his influence within the coterie club, and was done so with the express intention of undermining the Adelaide Crows.

Accusations were also levelled at Frank (as well as tropes about being "connected" owing to his Italian ethnicity) about his influence in the region. These include but are not limited to, "providing employment to Patrick's mother and aunt by hiring them to clean his Surf Coast palazzo" as well as other promises to set up Patrick in Geelong post-AFL, should he decide to make the move home.

We all know how it ended; Geelong got its man, and the rest is history.

However, what didn't end, is the continual conspiracy theories being thrown around by opposition supporters regarding Geelong's "bottomless salary cap" and how Geelong "must be rorting the system" to keep being able to afford to have a crack at - and successfully lure - star players from other clubs.

Many believe that in order to obtain the signature of Jeremy Cameron, very little had to do with Jezza's stated desire to move back to regional Victoria and everything to do with offering a "free farm" as well as other undisclosed "perks" (Ford Rangers and the like).

More recently, it seems as though Nigel Austin, founder and managing director of the Geelong-based clothing company Cotton On - a major sponsor of the Geelong Football Club - has also been in the gun for his apparent influence over luring players to the club.

It's been stated that Cotton On, as both a major sponsor of the GFC, and an individual sponsor of players, i.e. Bailey Smith, is displaying a conflict of interest because of the unfounded claims of having heavily contributed towards convincing Bailey to choose Geelong.

One only needs to observe the furore that was Bailey sitting in the stands amongst Geelong players at the preliminary final between Geelong and Brisbane as an example. This was done so at the behest of the Cotton On founder himself, or so it was reported.

It's been posited that the many influential people, both in the inner sanctum of the club and those business heavyweights on the periphery, are able to work in unison to covertly influence and facilitate a move for many star players to Geelong by having access to a network of Visy-style perks.

It has been stated by many (ahem, Richmond) supporters on here that Steve Hocking is extremely influential at AFL House, owing to his years served there, and knows the systems so well that he can and has devised a clandestine operation whereby the club is offering a suite of perks that covertly subvert the TTP (Total Player Payment) cap.

So, along with farms, miscellaneous plots of land at Armstrong Creek, subsidised Simonds homes built on said plots of land, Ford Rangers, lucrative Cotton On endorsements, as well as a CEO well-connected at AFL House, and a bevvy of influential local businessmen... what other parts in this sum have I missed which makes up the nefarious illuminati that is the only plausible explanation for Geelong's on and off-field success?
 
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It’s some of the funniest shit I’ve read about professional sport.

Some of them actually believe that the actual Tony Modra was spouting off in support of Grant Thomas when Thomas was giving Dangerfield a gobful on twitter the other day about not backing the GWS players…. The account belongs to some loser with 200 followers who calls himself Tony Modra 😂

The Stengle thing has done their head in. They think it’s legally proven that he’s overdosed and that the issue just disappeared.

None of them seem across the concept that areas of Victoria and the greater Australian continent itself have real estate markets that offer property opportunities as well, thus players at other teams can be potentially subject to the same under the table deals that ours are potentially subject to.


Essentially it comes down to this:

Tiny, spineless, excuse-making intellects belonging to people who were always taught that there has to be a surreptitious or scandalous reason that they, or a team they followed, were not #1, if and when it didn’t happen for them. Being unable to simply ever say ‘this person or this team did it better on the day’ is a sad state of affairs.
 
In light of Geelong's ability to target and successfully recruit yet another high-profile player to the club in Bailey Smith, I would like to examine the conjecture which surrounded not just Bailey's acquisition, but those of all his predecessors in the last decade.

Scrolling through BigFooty and social media in the last few days really got me reminiscing about some of the crazy conspiracy theories that have been bandied around by opposition supporters towards Geelong for the better part of fifteen years.

I think I first began to notice some rumblings on Facebook as Geelong became very successful in the late 2000s. Much was made in the media about Geelong players' vaunted taking unders for success initiative to explain how such a talented group could remain together for so long. A claim that was met with cynicism by some pundits.

However, once we lost Ablett to the newly formed Suns in 2010, the heat came off a bit, despite winning the flag the following year. Most neutrals saw us as being merely lucky to have snagged one more flag in 2011, as the oldest side in the competition, and that surely the "too old, too slow" Cats wouldn't be "too good" for a very long while, either.

As someone who lives in Adelaide, when Chris Scott and Jimmy Bartel were spotted at Adelaide airport and questioned by Channel 9 reporter, Tom Rehn, in 2012, after a suspected courting of Travis Boak, it wasn't just Port fans who were a little miffed. Crows fans, too, were a little on edge about the prospect of one day, Patrick Dangerfield, heading back to the motherland of Moggs Creek.

The attempted heist was as daring as it was brazen, but ultimately proved unsuccessful. However, as quickly as Travis Boak's admirable loyalty to Port Adelaide was accepted, the rumour mill swiftly turned to when, not if Geelong would be back to West Horsham to make a play for Patrick Dangerfield.

And, sure enough, with those seeds of fear planted in the minds of the Crows' faithful, the cynicism and toxicity within that supporter base - who were reeling from the very recent defections of players like Phil Davis to GWS, Kurt Tippett to Sydney, and Jack Gunston to Hawthorn (just to name a few) - was starting to foment by the year's end.

As much as this isn't about the Adelaide Crows, I feel that it was the pursuit and eventual success of managing to obtain the signature of Patrick Dangerfield that really set things of a conspiratorial nature in motion.

I especially recall some of the crazy things that Adelaide supporters were saying in the early days about Mardi Harwood, daughter of ex-Mayor of the City of Greater Geelong, Bruce Harwood. Some wild accusations were made around the influence that Mardi had over Patrick, and her ability to manipulate him vis-à-vis Bruce's influence and standing within the Geelong community.

It's been claimed, without evidence, that Mardi "refused" to start a family until they moved back to Geelong, and that Bruce, along with the late Frank Costa, were pulling strings behind the scenes to facilitate a move to the Geelong Football Club

Bruce himself didn't escape the ire of the Adelaide faithful where, on one occasion, the Geelong Football Club facilitated hosting the extended Dangerfield family with something like "thirty seats" at Simonds Stadium being made available. This was said to have been orchestrated by Mr. Harwood using his influence within the coterie club, and was done so with the express intention of undermining the Adelaide Crows.

Accusations were also levelled at Frank (as well as tropes about being "connected" owing to his Italian ethnicity) about his influence in the region. These include but are not limited to, "providing employment to Patrick's mother and aunt by hiring them to clean his Surf Coast palazzo" as well as other promises to set up Patrick in Geelong post-AFL, should he decide to make the move home.

We all know how it ended; Geelong got its man, and the rest is history.

However, what didn't end, is the continual conspiracy theories being thrown around by opposition supporters regarding Geelong's "bottomless salary cap" and how Geelong "must be rorting the system" to keep being able to afford to have a crack at - and successfully lure - star players from other clubs.

Many believe that in order to obtain the signature of Jeremy Cameron, very little had to do with Jezza's stated desire to move back to regional Victoria and everything to do with offering a "free farm" as well as other undisclosed "perks" (Ford Rangers and the like).

More recently, it seems as though Nigel Austin, founder and managing director of the Geelong-based clothing company Cotton On - a major sponsor of the Geelong Football Club - has also been in the gun for his apparent influence over luring players to the club.

It's been stated that Cotton On, as both a major sponsor of the GFC, and an individual sponsor of players, i.e. Bailey Smith, is displaying a conflict of interest because of the unfounded claims of having heavily contributed towards convincing Bailey to choose Geelong.

One only needs to observe the furore that was Bailey sitting in the stands amongst Geelong players at the preliminary final between Geelong and Brisbane as an example. This was done so at the behest of the Cotton On founder himself, or so it was reported.

It's been posited that the many influential people, both in the inner sanctum of the club and those business heavyweights on the periphery, are able to work in unison to covertly influence and facilitate a move for many star players to Geelong by having access to a network of Visy-style perks.

It has been stated by many (ahem, Richmond) supporters on here that Steve Hocking is extremely influential at AFL House, owing to his years served there, and knows the systems so well that he can and has devised a clandestine operation whereby the club is offering a suite of perks that covertly subvert the TTP (Total Player Payment) cap.

So, along with farms, miscellaneous plots of land at Armstrong Creek, subsidised Simonds homes built on said plots of land, Ford Rangers, lucrative Cotton On endorsements, as well as a CEO well-connected at AFL House, and a bevvy of influential local businessmen... what other parts in this sum have I missed which makes up the nefarious illuminati that is the only plausible explanation for Geelong's on and off-field success?

As you point out, since 2010 we have lost Ablett and gained only Danger, Cameron and Smith (who is not at the same level as them). This is hardly evidence of a club doing something against the rules to attract players. Danger and Cameron cost us a lot in draft picks, unlike Lynch to Richmond for example.
 
Well since you asked

1. Freak ground
2. Government funded
3. Hocking changed the rules to suit the handbaggers
4. Then went back to the club holy hell
5. No salary cap at all
6. Can’t wait for the book to come out about the weapon;
7. Mark Thompson.

That’s enough to chew on for now
 
Well since you asked

1. Freak ground
2. Government funded
3. Hocking changed the rules to suit the handbaggers
4. Then went back to the club holy hell
5. No salary cap at all
6. Can’t wait for the book to come out about the weapon;
7. Mark Thompson.

That’s enough to chew on for now

What rules exactly did Hocking change to suit Geelong?

I'm curious because that would imply that if the rule changes suited a particularly club, it would bring a period of success for then... Except that when Hocking was working at the AFL we didn't experience the ultimate success


ALSO - be mindful of which board your posting on because your efforts could easily be construed as trolling which would result in a holiday...

No issues with opposition posters contributing to discussion, but in a respectful manner - no second chances of there's a repeat of the above efforts
 
What rules exactly did Hocking change to suit Geelong?

I'm curious because that would imply that if the rule changes suited a particularly club, it would bring a period of success for then... Except that when Hocking was working at the AFL we didn't experience the ultimate success


ALSO - be mindful of which board your posting on because your efforts could easily be construed as trolling which would result in a holiday...

No issues with opposition posters contributing to discussion, but in a respectful manner - no second chances of there's a repeat of the above efforts

Just kidding mate

But yes he changed the the stand rule I’ll leave it there
 

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Just kidding mate

But yes he changed the the stand rule I’ll leave it there

Which also hurt the cats as we played a run and gun gamestyle before that.
Afterwards we tried, and failed, playing a possession game like the hawks did.
Don't forget how the AFL changed the ruck rules to not allow third man up after we brought in and used a unicorn who dominated as third up, in Blicavs...
 
Was it because Geelong had older players that didnt really want to run too far, so the stand rule allowed them to catch their breath?

Rewarded kicking sides. Can understand it but changing the rules like that is pretty ammo in my opinion. And it doesn’t look good when the head of footy ops does that then goes back and heads up a club

Anyway I’ve said enough we’re shit
 
Which also hurt the cats as we played a run and gun gamestyle before that.
Afterwards we tried, and failed, playing a possession game like the hawks did.
Don't forget how the AFL changed the ruck rules to not allow third man up after we brought in and used a unicorn who dominated as third up, in Blicavs...

That was also a bad decision
 
Just kidding mate

But yes he changed the the stand rule I’ll leave it there
That had no direct benefits to Geelong.

And why did it supposedly hurt Richmond so much they just couldn't recover, and now find themselves bottom in one of the worst seasons in history?

While Hocking was at the Afl, Richmond one 3 flags didn't they?

The supporter base needs medical help.
 
That had no direct benefits to Geelong.

And why did it supposedly hurt Richmond so much they just couldn't recover, and now find themselves bottom in one of the worst seasons in history?

While Hocking was at the Afl, Richmond one 3 flags didn't they?

The supporter base needs medical help.

We would have won 5 if it wasn’t for the rule changes

Just kidding sorry guys it’s been a long year I’ll leave you alone now
 
Well since you asked

1. Freak ground
2. Government funded
3. Hocking changed the rules to suit the handbaggers
4. Then went back to the club holy hell
5. No salary cap at all
6. Can’t wait for the book to come out about the weapon;
7. Mark Thompson.

That’s enough to chew on for now
The change of rules is my personal favourite.

came in at a time towards the end of the Richmond dynasty and gave the impression they went down hill because of the rule change.

Hocking moving to Geelong and winning the flag was the icing on the cake.

It's clear that Hocking made the changes due to the way Richmond were playing the game and to stop further flags 😁

I'm sure he also prepped Scott earlier so we could change our game plan before other teams had time to adjust and that's why we won in 2022 😁
 
Rewarded kicking sides. Can understand it but changing the rules like that is pretty ammo in my opinion. And it doesn’t look good when the head of footy ops does that then goes back and heads up a club

Anyway I’ve said enough we’re shit

Commonsense and a bit of thought shows that the stand rule actually rewards fast transition sides, as it allows immediate movement while an opposition player has to stay still on the mark. Teams like Richmond benefitted from the rule the most as you guys loved to intercept of half back and charge it forwards - which not only included 1%'s, tap ons and handballs, but also involved lateral precision kicking. Richmond with their gun contest winning forward line wanted the ball coming in with even numbers.

Teams like Geelong probably suffered with the stand rule, as we tried to build the ball up slowly from the backline, and rarely tried to break the lines back then. If the opposition had the ball, one of our players was pinned on the mark. That reduced the ability to flood back into our backline, have an outnumber and then create a turnover and slowly march it up the field.
 
I cannot wait to see what a bounty you guys get. Purely from an outside perspective, it will be interesting to see how Richmond package it all up and who they pick. Very interesting and exciting time for your club.

We will botch it set your watch to it
 

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