List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (16)

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Sandy Brock (14/12/02) - Signed a 1 year contract (2025) when recruited as a SSP signing in February 2025

 

[Carbine Chaos]

They just gave away their entire draft hand this year for Barass.

Don't they have Carlton's picks?

 

[bzparkes]

They just gave away their entire draft hand this year for Barass.

And?

Whose draft hand do they currently hold?

They gave up pick 14 for basically Carlton's entire draft hand this year and gave us theirs instead, all for the cost of one first rounder.

 

[mattyc75]

Can't be ****ed going back to see if this has already been mentioned, but Cal Twomey intimated we're in to Bobby Hill

Odd with all our academy kids coming through

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[Happy Mastenator]

Don't they have Carlton's picks?

Indeed, but they gave up their own first, second and third rounder. They just didn't get Carlton's picks for free, they had to give up something for those as well.

Not sure how that isn't selling the farm for an elite player. They could have easily taken that to the draft.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

And?

Whose draft hand do they currently hold?

They gave up pick 14 for basically Carlton's entire draft hand this year and gave us theirs instead, all for the cost of one first rounder.

Yeah, exactly. They didn't exactly sell the entire farm.
They would never have traded their entire draft hand to us without them holding another set.
It's not as costly as us doing it for TK since it was all we had.

 

[Big_Birdy]

It’s almost as if Wingard, O’Meara and Mitchell don’t exist.

Gave up Ryan Burton,10,14,15 and 35 all up for those 3 (got later picks back)

At least Kelly is still playing for us.

The glazing of the Hawks has hit epic levels and reality be damned.

 

[WCE777]

On what planet is Flynn better than B Williams

They are both 2nd string rucks, that was my point.
Keep the best as 2nd ruck and get another ruck.
BW has never been a great ruck, but he competes and is resilient.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

It’s almost as if Wingard, O’Meara and Mitchell don’t exist.

Gave up Ryan Burton,10,14,15 and 35 all up for those 3 (got later picks back)

At least Kelly is still playing for us.

The glazing of the Hawks has hit epic levels and reality be damned.

This happened almost a decade ago.

 

[Big_Birdy]

This happened almost a decade ago.

Started in 2016. Wingard was 2018, Kelly to us 2019.

They kept trying to top up and failing longer than we did.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

It’s almost as if Wingard, O’Meara and Mitchell don’t exist.

Gave up Ryan Burton,10,14,15 and 35 all up for those 3 (got later picks back)

At least Kelly is still playing for us.

The glazing of the Hawks has hit epic levels and reality be damned.

They were at least smart enough to know what they were doing with O'Meara and Mitchell wasn't working and moved on from them, I'll give them that much.

 

[Elite Pete]

Sure, things can change quickly.

What Hawthorn haven't done though is sell the farm for an elite player and are still getting very good results.

McKenzie has come on massively this year also, a pick 7 himself.

Currently, we have 2 mids drafted in the top 20(3 if you want to count Chesser). Ideally, we want at least 2 more(preferably top 5 while we're down the bottom) mids to really solidify our midfield for the next 12+ years to have as extended a run as possible.

Don't get me wrong, Warner would be great and I understand the comments about known vs unknown quantities but one thing to note about Warner is that he player similar to Hewett and Reid. Do we really need our 3 main mids to play the same way? We really need a bloke who can either rack up 30+ disposals every week and/or an inside bull like Rowell.

Now, it's possible that by the end of the year, we may unearth some blokes who look capable of doing those things and in that case, Warner would be a good play.

As it currently sits, we don't, so overcommitting to get Warner here would be a mistake without knowing if we already have those players on the list or not.

I think we're also kidding ourselves if we honestly believe WC won't hand over our first rounder as part of the deal, especially if Hawks play finals.

100% this years first will be included in the deal to get Warner.

Warner with a fit Reid can be that link man. He’s been elite in games when the Swans have been shit, He’s a competitor.

I think the Eagles thinking would’ve been the band 1 for Oscar plus maybe the Hawks pick for Chad.

I 100% think everything they did in the last offseason was with the thought they had Warner done. Including playing hard ball with Oscar to get that band 1. Now if Chad has changed his mind it’s probably less than ideal with the moves already done.

So if all played out it would be Oscar and TB + 3rd for Warner + Sheldrick + Hawks 2nd. With the way the Hawks are going, I’d say it’s swayed the trade to not great for us imo.

Warner is a superstar and with all the other things we could possibly have around him it could help correct the path and bring other players to the club.

 

[mattyc75]

Brander had all the attributes to make it, but he couldn't read the play and had low footy IQ. Once he lost his confidence it was all over.

In terms of skill set, size, pace and kicking ability he wasn't a bad proposition at where we grabbed him.

Brander didn't have a great draft year after everyone caught up to him size wise. We reached for him

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[Elite Pete]

And?

Whose draft hand do they currently hold?

They gave up pick 14 for basically Carlton's entire draft hand this year and gave us theirs instead, all for the cost of one first rounder.

And traded out of a ‘super draft’ do it? Which every other club was giving everything to get into. Including pick 27 for a projected top 5 future pick.

 

[Elite Pete]

They were at least smart enough to know what they were doing with O'Meara and Mitchell wasn't working and moved on from them, I'll give them that much.

JOM called it himself from memory after Cogs wedding but they didn’t stand in his way.

Titch and Sam Mitchell hated each other by reports. Worked out better for both.

 

[bzparkes]

And traded out of a ‘super draft’ do it?

Getting Carlton's 1st and second for this year for pick 14 was pretty good business from them.

Considering they were after multiple KDEFs, what would pick 14 have gotten them at the draft? A kid who won't be ready for 4 years?

They clearly see themselves in the window, so had to strike now.

 

[Elite Pete]

Zita seems to swap and change on who will decide Oscars future.

 

[Elite Pete]

Getting Carlton's 1st and second for this year for pick 14 was pretty good business from them.

Considering they were after multiple KDEFs, what would pick 14 have gotten them at the draft? A kid who won't be ready for 4 years?

They clearly see themselves in the window, so had to strike now.

That pick is Murphy Reid and you could argue they didn’t need TB once they had Battle.

Sliding doors moment last year seems to work for them missing on Ben McKay and Esava. Time will tell how this one plays out

Either way the Hawks do it their way. They are aggressive on the list management side and we seem reactive without being in the four walls

 

[bzparkes]

That pick is Murphy Reid and you could argue they didn’t need TB once they had Battle.

They want to play Sicily as a forward and Frost is basically done. They needed both and don't really need Murphy Reid, as their midfield is fairly well stocked.

Sliding doors moment last year seems to work for them missing on Ben McKay and Esava. Time will tell how this one plays out

Well yes, both those blokes are hot garbage but who knows how they'd have gone under Mitchell, I guess.

Either way the Hawks do it their way. They are aggressive on the list management side and we seem reactive without being in the four walls

It's important to remember that it's a hell of a lot easier as a big Melbourne club to attract talent than it ever will be for WA clubs.

 

[Deepthroat]

I believe Essendon may also have a third 1st rounder in play...

Sam Draper has reportedly got a contract worth $800,000 per season in front of him.

That's an interesting figure if you consider Adelaide could likely match that or better it and Essendon would receive a first rounder as compensation.

It's an interesting figure to float as to what his value is.....

"Suddenly" this week, talk has swung to Draper's worth on the market.

Who would have thought.

 

[ziad]

That pick is Murphy Reid and you could argue they didn’t need TB once they had Battle.

Sliding doors moment last year seems to work for them missing on Ben McKay and Esava. Time will tell how this one plays out

Either way the Hawks do it their way. They are aggressive on the list management side and we seem reactive without being in the four walls

Battle proving far more valuable- but early days

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Its a long season, things can change.

At seasons end I hope both Carlton and Hawks shit the bed so hard that if we do need to match Ozzie's offer we walk away with both Hawks and Carltons R1's and R2's (9 + 12 + 27 + 30)

If Warner stays in Sydney so be it, go again in two years time with Cap space.
If Reid leaves so be it, three firsts thanks.

Go into Trade/Draft with trading for Ward/Sheldricks types while adding x2 three quality midfielders. Also helps secure our options in 2026 if our NGA kids are R1 quality.

Its just going to be another long season, and another season I dont expect to enjoy.

 

[briztoon]

Certainly had the attribbutes but had serious heartilage problems

Brander was matched up against a bottom aged Lukosius at the U18 Championships, and was getting absolutely toweled up in the first half, so they moved Brander at half time to the other end of the ground.

Competitiveness was one of the main knocks against Brander.

 

[WCE777]

That pick is Murphy Reid and you could argue they didn’t need TB once they had Battle.

Sliding doors moment last year seems to work for them missing on Ben McKay and Esava. Time will tell how this one plays out

Either way the Hawks do it their way. They are aggressive on the list management side and we seem reactive without being in the four walls

Think WC were very aggressive on their list management in 2024, they just got outbid or couldn't land them.
Were into Peatling, Busslinger, D Cameron, Bolton, Warner, Kozzie all in 2024 that have been reported, there would have been others we don't know about.

I think they have had a real crack.

2025 into Warner, D Cameron, B Hill, Starcevich, Kozzie that we know about.
Great change of strategy imo.
They may only land 1 or maybe 2 but its not through lack of trying.

Warner is still playing out imo, most reporting on the vibe instead of any facts.
WC offer is very significant, only 2 scenarios Warner stays on 2 year contract at Sydney or he gets to WC.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

So you compare him to two brownlow medalists and then say no thanks. Look Priddis and Tom Mitchell have some flaws, but either one in their prime would make a massive difference to our team and would be more than welcome.

Sure, both players would make a difference now, for they are possession monkeys. But when you're trying to win a flag, these guys are not optimal. When Mitchell played in that flag side, he wasn't the main man and had stopped doing his 35 ineffective kicks every week BS.

The most desired skills are (in no order);

A. Ability to win the hard ball
B. Decision making
C. Disposal

Have a look at the best players. The absolute elite (Bont, Dusty, Hird, Voss etc) have all three. Guys like Fyfe and Cripps are elite at A, very good at B, not as good at C. All the best players have varying combinations of those three things. Possessions alone, are not worth a squirt of piss. Otherwise Matt Rosa would have been a Brownlow fancy.

Both Priddis and Mitchell are good at A, average at B and C, and elite at possession gathering. Although they win plenty of hard ball, it's not Cripps/Dusty type winning the big moments.

You needs at least one of these guys who sits in that elite category. If you have a Priddis or Mitchell, the chances are that he's the guy you have in the role. There's plenty better around, and if you want to win a flag, it's going to be easier with that elite player.

 

[Elite Pete]

They want to play Sicily as a forward and Frost is basically done. They needed both and don't really need Murphy Reid, as their midfield is fairly well stocked.

They are tall enough they they could’ve still done that without TB. Murphy Reid is class as a mid or half back and still doesn’t change they elected to trade out of a super draft or (their whole draft hand). They might get lucky and Blues season might fall into bottom 6 territory.

After round 7 if you argued doing that trade for the Hawks was smart……. You stay in the Chad hunt until he’s signed because you just never know what the next 22 rounds will bring.

Murphy Reid just might be the pick of the draft with how smooth and poised he is and 5 clubs had their hands on that pick including ourselves and we elected to trade it rather than the Hawks F1.

Well yes, both those blokes are hot garbage but who knows how they'd have gone under Mitchell, I guess.

Of course sliding door for the Hawks and the players. Power did play in a prelim though and Dons top 4 late in the season.

It's important to remember that it's a hell of a lot easier as a big Melbourne club to attract talent than it ever will be for WA clubs.

It is but the Hawks have swung a missed a lot. 2 mentioned above plus Bailey Smith. Their plan B last year was elite.