List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[KERRPOW]

Been listening to SEN with vlahos who does a segment with haggers twice a week.

Hes pretty much the only journo that has a proper go at west coast. Unfortunately he is on the money with whats wrong at the club.

Reckons rothams going to ask for a trade at the end of the year, along with other in contract younger players who arnt getting an opportunity.

The only other player that comes to mind is XON. certainly cant be spud petch or bigger spud bailey williams.

 

[briztoon]

Who else is going to sell them a future first?

Why do they need a future first?

They just need points.

They don’t need lots of young players either. 3 kids at the draft this year. Maybe just 2 and a rookie upgrade.

They need a couple of mature players to guide their kids.

They potentially have 3 academy kids next year worth first or second round bids. And potentially 2 more in 2024 worth first round bids. Plus they have Spida Everett’s kid in their academy, plus a Lions father son kid.

They possibly just need to take the bare minimum at the draft over the next three drafts.

And if their two academy key forwards are as good as I’ve been spruiking them to be, those kids are going to be bid on before GC’s first round picks anyway.

What they also have is a massive list squeeze coming, because the AFL gave them to much in their rescue package, and we’re about start seeing young players pushed out.

 

[UseR2006]

They didn't quote me and nearly everything they said was not what I said, or have ever said. They just took random things from multiple posters over the last few weeks, put them together and rolled their eyes. There's not a poster who has said all that stuff.

Therefore, he's shouting at the sky. Probably talking to himself too.

I didn't quote anything you said and didn't direct my post at you at all..
Maybe not every post is in response to you?

 

[Bacchus]

Been listening to SEN with vlahos who does a segment with haggers twice a week.

Hes pretty much the only journo that has a proper go at west coast. Unfortunately he is on the money with whats wrong at the club.

Reckons rothams going to ask for a trade at the end of the year, along with other in contract younger players who arnt getting an opportunity.

The only other player that comes to mind is XON. certainly cant be spud petch or bigger spud bailey williams.

Sad to say Rotham would be no loss with what he has offered up this year. If we can get a pick or pick upgrade that would be something.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Why do they need a future first?

They just need points.

They don’t need lots of young players either. 3 kids at the draft this year. Maybe just 2 and a rookie upgrade.

They need a couple of mature players to guide their kids.

They potentially have 3 academy kids next year worth first or second round bids. And potentially 2 more in 2024 worth first round bids. Plus they have Spida Everett’s kid in their academy, plus a Lions father son kid.

They possibly just need to take the bare minimum at the draft over the next three drafts.

And if their two academy key forwards are as good as I’ve been spruiking them to be, those kids are going to be bid on before GC’s first round picks anyway.

What they also have is a massive list squeeze coming, because the AFL gave them to much in their rescue package, and we’re about start seeing young players pushed out.

What is going to give the most points?

AN EARLY FIRST ROUNDER.

The Duns have extra R2 R4 and R4 picks. Limited buyers.

If they were to be holder a single digit pick, it would be worth more than the sum of the points.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

No way will the Suns let you bend them over in a trade again.

What you’re essentially trading is pick 4, 14 and 44, for picks 4 and 25. Yeah, that seems fair. Not.

Which 3 teams do you think are going to be worse than us in 2023?

 

[ziad]

Been listening to SEN with vlahos who does a segment with haggers twice a week.

Hes pretty much the only journo that has a proper go at west coast. Unfortunately he is on the money with whats wrong at the club.

Reckons rothams going to ask for a trade at the end of the year, along with other in contract younger players who arnt getting an opportunity.

The only other player that comes to mind is XON. certainly cant be spud petch or bigger spud bailey williams.

This is good news, off the the spud shed to see aht we can get

 

[Free Agent]

Been listening to SEN with vlahos who does a segment with haggers twice a week.

Hes pretty much the only journo that has a proper go at west coast. Unfortunately he is on the money with whats wrong at the club.

Reckons rothams going to ask for a trade at the end of the year, along with other in contract younger players who arnt getting an opportunity.

The only other player that comes to mind is XON. certainly cant be spud petch or bigger spud bailey williams.

Honestly all our depth players not getting games pretty much because they are all just really crap and not good enough. It's just making it easier for us if they are asking to get traded. No one would want most of our depth players anyhow. One thing though is once they ask for a trade, we delist regardless. Don't want uncommitted unhappy crabs on the list for 2023.

 

[ziad]

Honestly all our depth players not getting games pretty much because they are all just really crap and not good enough. It's just making it easier for us if they are asking to get traded. No one would want most of our depth players anyhow. One thing though is once they ask for a trade, we delist regardless. Don't want uncommitted unhappy crabs on the list for 2023.

Spot on - this may shine a light on an atitudinal problem within the group. The rejects from the bottom team my have a false sense of self entitlement. Medically this is termed a case of the Branders.

 

[Chump Change]

Melbourne are on top because of their fantastic defensive setup.

It's the midfield. Everything starts in the midfield and has a ripple effect outwards. It does help that May and Lever are bona fide guns.

 

[Chump Change]

I didn't quote anything you said and didn't direct my post at you at all..
Maybe not every post is in response to you?

That's what I was telling the other guy - your post wasn't directed at me.

 

[Trav22]

It's the midfield. Everything starts in the midfield and has a ripple effect outwards. It does help that May and Lever are bona fide guns.

Wrong!!
A strong midfield is definitely needed to win a flag.
But your not getting anywhere if your defensive set up is trash.
Realistically you need quality on all lines.
And please don’t give me this A+ B+ mumbo jumbo again, really starting to believe you may have never watched a game of football before in your life!!

 

[briztoon]

Which 3 teams do you think are going to be worse than us in 2023?

Fair point. I didn’t think that fully through.

North & Adelaide.

 

[Chump Change]

Wrong!!
A strong midfield is definitely needed to win a flag.
But your not getting anywhere if your defensive set up is trash.
Realistically you need quality on all lines.
And please don’t give me this A+ B+ mumbo jumbo again, really starting to believe you may have never watched a game of football before in your life!!

I never said you can win a flag without a strong defence. You can't. I don't think there is anyone who believes you can.

But if your midfield is strong it's easier to defend. If your midfield isn't strong, you're not going to be able to stop the goals.

Name me a strong defence in a team that doesn't have a strong midfield. You can't. It doesn't exist. The scoreboard doesn't lie.

And yes, it comes back to the personal in your midfield (that would be A+ and A graders or whatever you want to call them).

 

[Obeanie1]

Why do they need a future first?

They just need points.

They don’t need lots of young players either. 3 kids at the draft this year. Maybe just 2 and a rookie upgrade.

They need a couple of mature players to guide their kids.

They potentially have 3 academy kids next year worth first or second round bids. And potentially 2 more in 2024 worth first round bids. Plus they have Spida Everett’s kid in their academy, plus a Lions father son kid.

They possibly just need to take the bare minimum at the draft over the next three drafts.

And if their two academy key forwards are as good as I’ve been spruiking them to be, those kids are going to be bid on before GC’s first round picks anyway.

What they also have is a massive list squeeze coming, because the AFL gave them to much in their rescue package, and we’re about start seeing young players pushed out.

You answered your own question.

If Gold Coast traded for a future pick they would aim at a low one.

Aim to use that on another top 5 pick before their later picks get gobbled up on bids. You are correct they dont need later future 2nds or late 1sts , they would only be interested in trading in potential future top 5 picks.

And yes they do have a massive list squeeze coming up where good kids will move due to so many low picks and concessions. Plus salary cap issues with so many top kids developing and paying more to retain players.

And why would they do all that? To build the best list they can as quickly as they can.

 

[Obeanie1]

Been listening to SEN with vlahos who does a segment with haggers twice a week.

Hes pretty much the only journo that has a proper go at west coast. Unfortunately he is on the money with whats wrong at the club.

Reckons rothams going to ask for a trade at the end of the year, along with other in contract younger players who arnt getting an opportunity.

The only other player that comes to mind is XON. certainly cant be spud petch or bigger spud bailey williams.

He's taking about Nelson for sure and that was all planned. We re-signed him to get tofree agency hopeful that someone will take him for free andwe get something.

Rotham rumour / thought has been around for a while and we could get a late 2nd there imo. Stuck behind Hurn and there is no shame in that. Just watch us play him as that 2nd ruck and forward last two games to build his form. Add a pick to Rotham for a pick upgrade and we might be surprised.

O'Neil is another pick upgrade deal that could work.

 

[Obeanie1]

This Barrass talk has probably gone five pages too long but what's beating obvious bar the lack of young talent is the lack of genuine leadership from the next tier.

Unless we are proposing giving the captaincy to Chesser and Culley ala Trengove and Jack Grimes, we should be trying to hold onto anyone with an inkling of consistent football skill paired with ability to lead.

McGovern, Barrass, Duggan and Allen are our leadership group moving forward. Nice spread of ages there to give the kids 5 plus years to develop into the next batch.

So a bit of a over reaction that post.

I do rate drafting kids with leadership qualities, so does the club. Chesser got the nod because of it and he's already showing it before playing a single game. It is also why I wouldn't mind D'Alioa wth our 2nd, SA captain.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Wrong!!
A strong midfield is definitely needed to win a flag.
But your not getting anywhere if your defensive set up is trash.
Realistically you need quality on all lines.
And please don’t give me this A+ B+ mumbo jumbo again, really starting to believe you may have never watched a game of football before in your life!!

So you're saying you need to have a quality team all over to win a flag? This might be groundbreaking research, please tell me more!

 

[Obeanie1]

So you're saying you need to have a quality team all over to win a flag? This might be groundbreaking research, please tell me more!

You dont, you need quality in 2 out of 3 zones. And defense is a given, you have a weak defense you dont win modern premierships.

Our 2006side wasnt a top quality forward line. Best midfield in history and defense was bloody good.

Our 2018 side had an A grade forward line and an A grade defense. We broke even in the guts with a B grade midfield and fell over the line.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

You dont, you need quality in 2 out of 3 zones. And defense is a given, you have a weak defense you dont win modern premierships.

Our 2006side wasnt a top quality forward line. Best midfield in history and defense was bloody good.

Yeah was going to mention 2006, but that just proves that you need an all time midfield. Melbourne are similar at the moment in that their forward line isn't great.

It's the one line that you can get away with being a bit weaker, but 95% of premiers have quality across all lines, this isn't that controversial.

 

[UseR2006]

I never said you can win a flag without a strong defence. You can't. I don't think there is anyone who believes you can.

But if your midfield is strong it's easier to defend. If your midfield isn't strong, you're not going to be able to stop the goals.

Name me a strong defence in a team that doesn't have a strong midfield. You can't. It doesn't exist. The scoreboard doesn't lie.

And yes, it comes back to the personal in your midfield (that would be A+ and A graders or whatever you want to call them).

Ours in 2018.
Was bog average midfield and barely broke even.
Our Defence was top tier.

 

[juddy_Like]

McGovern, Barrass, Duggan and Allen are our leadership group moving forward. Nice spread of ages there to give the kids 5 plus years to develop into the next batch.

So a bit of a over reaction that post.

I do rate drafting kids with leadership qualities, so does the club. Chesser got the nod because of it and he's already showing it before playing a single game. It is also why I wouldn't mind D'Alioa wth our 2nd, SA captain.

Gov is now 30 and can’t seem to play 22 games anymore.

Barrass I have mentioned previously is the obvious candidate with daylight to second.

Duggan & Allen - you would want them to be consistent footballers first without the burden of leadership. That’s before mentioning injuries.

 

[Chump Change]

Ours in 2018.
Was bog average midfield and barely broke even.
Our Defence was top tier.

I recall people talking about our midfield at the time as the best or thereabouts. That's a fact. It's easy now in hindsight now that the same players are shit and we didn't quite have superstars, but as Obeanie said, it broke even. Defence and attack were killer.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Fair point. I didn’t think that fully through.

North & Adelaide.

So it will be gaining pick 4 (becomes 5) in a supposed weaker draft and giving back pick 3 in a draft that supposedly has some highly desirable top end prospects. That is why on a points basis in 2022 it looks in our favour.

There is massive value in Suns at 3 not selling and taking a pick before they have to match bids.

 

[Obeanie1]

Gov is now 30 and can’t seem to play 22 games anymore.

Barrass I have mentioned previously is the obvious candidate with daylight to second.

Duggan & Allen - you would want them to be consistent footballers first without the burden of leadership. That’s before mentioning injuries.

Duggan is pretty consistent. And has been earmarked as future captain material before being drafted. And sure he could improve his kicking but you can't question his courage or efforts. Believe he is carrying a knee issue and still playing which does affect your kicking. Playing defense has been a challenge for everyone this year due to lack of work rate and quality up field.

The query on injury and availability is valid. Hopefully we have some better luck moving forward.