So he should've rolled out the Army instead? Or just used private security firms, because that went well last time.
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134 news cases in Victoria, lower than yesterday but still the second highest number on record. 11 are connected to outbreaks and 123 cases are under investigation. More than 24,000 tests performed, a record. Victoria is getting that part right - the mass testing.
No. I am absolutely not saying that the ADF should have been used at all.
There should have been greater outreach with the communities. The main visible group should have been health workers (as should the hotel quarantine, btw), with information about the restrictions being filtered through community leaders and those with established links.
Making the lockdown immediate and sending in the cops in force immediately also escalated matters. The rest of us in Melbourne, including those in hotspots, have 36 hours to get our shit in order before lockdown comes. There, you had parents with kids in care or in hospital who were suddenly and abruptly cut off from them.
The other problem was with the seeming lack of preparation for such an event. The full scope of support for those in lockdown was haphazard when the need for something like it was absolutely foreseeable. Similar spread occurred in Singapore's migrant worker dorms, so there was precedent for rapid spread through closely quartered communities. And yet, there seemed to be no preparation.
Basically, I'm saying that the whole pandemic is a shit situation and governments everywhere have been flailing around for responses because it's generally not something with precedent. A second spike, centred on precarious communities is precedented (in this pandemic at least) and should have been handled with more care and empathy.
Also, I generally think Andrews's response has been good, particularly in the early days when he, along with Berejiklian, pushed against Canberra's desire to keep things open. The towers was a misstep. He's right to have implemented the latest Melbourne metro lockdown.
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I agree Victorians slackened off, but Victorian government never announced they would let 500 in pubs and clubs. On 24th May the Vic government delivered the following press release, going to 20 and then 50 by 21st June and they said 100 by mid July ie the stage 3 date ScoMo announced in his presser the day before this press release.
Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Restaurants and cafes
From 11:59pm on 31 May restaurants, cafes and other hospitality businesses have limited dine-in arrangements.
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From 11.59pm on 31 May, restaurants, cafes and other hospitality businesses have been able to resume dine-in services with the following restrictions:
- Up to 20 seated patrons per enclosed space.
- Limits will be placed on entry to comply with the density requirements allowed within a single space – one customer per four square metres.
- Venues are required to request contact details, first name and phone number, of every customer to assist in rapid contact tracing.
A further increase of up to 100 patrons per enclosed space is planned for the second half of July.
Changes to these dates will be subject to the advice of the Chief Health Officer.
The next announcement about restrictions was on 22nd June which was reductions not increases.
What you need to know
- Stay safe by washing your hands, keeping your distance from others, and staying home if you feel unwell.
- If you have symptoms of coronavirus you should get tested.
- From 22 June the number of visitors that you can have to your home has reduced to five visitors. Outdoor gatherings have reduced to a maximum group of ten people.
- Restaurants, pubs, auction halls, community halls, libraries, museums and places of worship remain at a maximum of 20 people in any one space until 12 July.
- Businesses including gyms, cinemas, theatres and TABs can open, with a maximum of 20 people per space.
Victoria didn't need to crack down as hard as they did on some activities ie no golf, no fishing etc. SA was always maximum of 10 not 2 people. So when the pressure was released, there was a bigger build up of pressure and then release in Victoria than compared to SA. I know Qld was at 2 people until late May / early June, but can't remember what the rules were in other states.
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Ol mate Jair bolognaise has it
Dare I say, this trumps Boris getting it.
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We’d rather that too.ALOT of people in SA have the old inferiority complex going on. It's almost like crows fans jealousy of Port
Some parts of SA are great but to be fair I'd rather be locked down in Victoria then live in SA these days.
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The Vic government have cracked down hard on the housing tenants in harsh way because it was easy. They knew there were issues there and they could have coordinated this so much better for 2 days so that it looked like they had taken control but were being reasonable and had consulted with the community groups.
It was a shear panic move.
1 in 11 active cases come from those 9 residentials towers. Obviously a hot spot but have they cracked down as hard as that anywhere else earlier on in second wave??
Plus there was a low level of testing early on and a harder lockdown than anywhere else in Oz. I reckon it pissed off people and they said stuff it once the restrictions were released.
The bigger the city / state / nation the more extreme and harder to control those extremes in a liberal democracy ie Adelaide/SA v Melbourne/Victoria, Oz v UK, UK v USA. Ie more dickheads and more people who say **** the authorities I will do what I want.
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Victoria records 134 new Covid-19 cases
Daniel Andrews says only 11 of the new Covid-19 cases are connected to known outbreaks.
There are now 75 cases in the locked-down towers.
That makes 861 active cases in Victoria.
Forty people are in hospital and seven of those people are in intensive care.
Victoria did almost 30,000 tests yesterday – 29,424 tests in one day.
Daniel Andrews:
It was a shear panic move.
1 in 11 active cases come from those 9 residentials towers. Obviously a hot spot but have they cracked down as hard as that anywhere else earlier on in second wave??
Plus there was a low level of testing early on and a harder lockdown than anywhere else in Oz. I reckon it pissed off people and they said stuff it once the restrictions were released.
The bigger the city / state / nation the more extreme and harder to control those extremes in a liberal democracy ie Adelaide/SA v Melbourne/Victoria, Oz v UK, UK v USA. Ie more dickheads and more people who say **** the authorities I will do what I want.
147 new Australian Covid-19 cases – as it happened
Confusion over NSW-Victoria border closure as the state’s northern border closes for the first time in a century. This blog is now closed
Daniel Andrews says only 11 of the new Covid-19 cases are connected to known outbreaks.
There are now 75 cases in the locked-down towers.
That makes 861 active cases in Victoria.
Forty people are in hospital and seven of those people are in intensive care.
Victoria did almost 30,000 tests yesterday – 29,424 tests in one day.
Daniel Andrews:
If 75 of those people left those towers if given notice the state would of been in a much worse position. People in those towers who are negative and been swabbed can leave likely tomorrow. Andrews had no choice not to lock them down for a few days. These people are itinerant and would AWOL if given notice. They've had more support than you would think, I've had nurses head in there they've got methadone clinics , mental health support and enough food to last a month.The Vic government have cracked down hard on the housing tenants in harsh way because it was easy. They knew there were issues there and they could have coordinated this so much better for 2 days so that it looked like they had taken control but were being reasonable and had consulted with the community groups.
It was a shear panic move.
1 in 11 active cases come from those 9 residentials towers. Obviously a hot spot but have they cracked down as hard as that anywhere else earlier on in second wave??
Plus there was a low level of testing early on and a harder lockdown than anywhere else in Oz. I reckon it pissed off people and they said stuff it once the restrictions were released.
The bigger the city / state / nation the more extreme and harder to control those extremes in a liberal democracy ie Adelaide/SA v Melbourne/Victoria, Oz v UK, UK v USA. Ie more dickheads and more people who say fu** the authorities I will do what I want.
Victoria records 134 new Covid-19 cases147 new Australian Covid-19 cases – as it happened
Confusion over NSW-Victoria border closure as the state’s northern border closes for the first time in a century. This blog is now closed
Daniel Andrews says only 11 of the new Covid-19 cases are connected to known outbreaks.
There are now 75 cases in the locked-down towers.
That makes 861 active cases in Victoria.
Forty people are in hospital and seven of those people are in intensive care.
Victoria did almost 30,000 tests yesterday – 29,424 tests in one day.
Daniel Andrews:
Keep in mind not everyone from those apartments have been tested. Those positives will go up.
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No, I am exaggerating it was actually 100 but the principle is the same. Once you start telling people what you are going to allow in July they think the worst is over. Check what Daniel Andrews had to say on the 17th May.
Pubs, cafes, restaurants to allow patrons to dine in from June 1
Victoria will ease the vast majority of its strict stage-three restrictions from June 1, Premier Daniel Andrews has indicated.
You are citing the official line and I am citing what Andrews actually said in an interview in mid May and what was printed in The Age. At the same time Andrews was talking about having 100 people in a pub some people in Melbourne were planning Eid al- Fitr festivals in their backyards. One of those non sanctioned festivals resulted in a significant cluster.
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I didn't say he shouldn't have lockdown them down, but the health authorities have known the there risks for a long time. The way you write about them you know they are a high risk group. So why wasn't this a better staged process?? Not all 9,000 residents are all exactly the same. There should be an allowance for that.
As I said, it is a shear panic move rather than a well though out coordinated strike. The best way to keep a pandemic under control is to bring people with you so they do things because they understand and want to. You want to avoid resentment from people who wont willingly co-operate.
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I read that link and it didn't sound like he was being extremest or telling Victorians to party on. He says - Victoria will ease the vast majority of its strict stage-three COVID-19 restrictions from June 1, Premier Daniel Andrews has indicated, saying the "stay-at-home measures" will be replaced by "stay safe" messages. "stay safe" comes up 2 more times. Its the Opposition leader who was having a whinge saying - “dragged the chain” on lifting restrictions.No, I am exaggerating it was actually 100 but the principle is the same. Once you start telling people what you are going to allow in July they think the worst is over. Check what Daniel Andrews had to say on the 17th May.
Pubs, cafes, restaurants to allow patrons to dine in from June 1
Victoria will ease the vast majority of its strict stage-three restrictions from June 1, Premier Daniel Andrews has indicated.www.theage.com.au
You are citing the official line and I am citing what Andrews actually said in an interview in mid May and what was printed in The Age. At the same time Andrews was talking about having 100 people in a pub some people in Melbourne were planning Eid al- Fitr festivals in their backyards. One of those non sanctioned festivals resulted in a significant cluster.
If Andrews was more positive in a presser about opening things up, I didn't see him. The only pressers I have seen him in May and June he seemed to take a hard line on everything.
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If you put out twenty positive messages but buried among them is one negative which one do you think people will latch onto?
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Australia may act to curb international arrivals.
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Travel bubble with NZ still some way off. Maybe the Victorian spike has given Jacinda cold feet?
So, they are looking at taxing people who leave the country to help pay the cost of quarantine when they return?
ACT records three new coronavirus cases linked to Victoria outbreak
The ACT has broken its month-long coronavirus streak to record three new cases of COVID-19. The three people are from the same household and are linked to the outbreak in Victoria.
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Travel bubble with NZ still some way off. Maybe the Victorian spike has given Jacinda cold feet?
So, they are looking at taxing people who leave the country to help pay the cost of quarantine when they return?
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COVID-19 may not have originated in China - Oxford University expert
The medical expert revealed to The Telegraph that new evidence may be indicative of the virus laying dormant worldwide.
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Right or wrong, interesting stuff
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