Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[Portology]

I feel sorry for the business owner.

I also feel sorry for Andrews, who after being a little more cautious than other states on re-openings was taking so much flak from many such small business owners ... Oh, but now, in hindsight, Andrews should have kept restrictions on for a few more weeks, say many of the same business owners. The ones who were still keen to take the risk of opening up even when Cedar Meats popped up and said "hello hello".

It seems unlikely the Melbourne protests were so different from those in every other state that they are responsible for the current situation.

All very easy for us to say who don't have a barrow to push or a cafe to keep open or staff to let go, but it's the sort of thing someone will have to say to this bloke one day soon before his feelings turn more toxic.

It's not about bagging the business owner, it's just about recognising the pain and the emotional outburst for what it really is and that it comes from the sudden reversal of fortune and the impending financial losses all round after the awful, teasing promise of relief ... not from the bloody protests.

 

[Del165198]

The protest blaming is such a red herring. Every state had large protests attended by thousands. Victoria has simply been unlucky IMO.

Don't agree with the hard lockdown on those public housing towers either. I don't actually agree with having concentrated public housing like that at all. Have it spread out through every suburb.

It's a desperate attempt to politicise this "second wave" by blaming it on the left.

 

[raptalia]

Full marks to Daniel Andrews for accepting responsibility for the situation in Melbourne. Everyone makes mistakes and errors of judgement but if someone admits a mistake there is a good chance they will not repeat that mistake. It is a pity Gladys Berejiklian did not admit her Government was complicit in the Ruby Princess fiasco. Apologies do not change a situation but accepting responsibility does help inspire a little confidence in the ability of our leaders to work through difficult situations.

On the subject of Daniel the press is reporting that SA police are busy processing 24,000 applications for exemptions to travel into SA. Someone must want to go to South Australia Daniel.

I heard a report on the BBC last night that residents of the Melbourne Towers cannot understand why they are locked in while people in other towers are allowed to live under normal Stage 3 restrictions. Maybe it has something to do with the fact there have been 75 confirmed cases of COVID-19 at no 120 Flemington Road. Has no one explained the situation to these people or is it they do not want to understand? The fact that overseas news services are reporting the lockdown as a human rights issue is disappointing as it is all about containing the spread of a virus not about targeting refugees. I guess the latter angle makes for a better story. Maybe the tower residents should be asking how 75 cases of COVID-19 got loose in the buildings in which they live? Hopefully management of the situation has improved and the residents are getting all the supplies and support they need.

Also on the BBC the WHO has obtained permission to visit Turkmenistan, a country on the border with Iran. By some miracle this country of 6M inhabitants has not recorded a single case of COVID-19 let alone a death despite sharing a border with Iran. The WHO have asked to inspect the medical and testing facilities and would also be interested at looking at the mysterious camps that have suddenly appeared in the Turkmenistan Desert. Hmmmm.
The BBC correspondent covering the story described Turkmenistan as 'the good news country'. The media is controlled by the Government and they never run a story that reflects poorly on the Government and there is no internet or social media on which to criticise.

 

[Forzaport]

 

[raptalia]

Major virus breach at Sydney Airport

Jetstar passengers from Melbourne were allowed to enter Sydney without being screened on Tuesday, prompting fears of another ‘Ruby Princess’ type outbreak.

The ABC reports are that the breach was simply that the passengers did not have their temperature checked or fill out a questionnaire. Dr Norman Swann commented that temperature checks were not of much value. He is probably right as no one knows how many asymptomatic people are walking around the community. I do not think this is another Ruby Princess where dozens of passengers had symptoms and ambulances were called to meet the ship.

 

[Sleezy]

You could replace 'BLM Protests' with 'First Game of Football' and you'd have just a compelling case or correlation, without being deliberately inflammatory.

 

[gbear]

The ABC reports are that the breach was simply that the passengers did not have their temperature checked or fill out a questionnaire. Dr Norman Swann commented that temperature checks were not of much value. He is probably right as no one knows how many asymptomatic people are walking around the community. I do not think this is another Ruby Princess where dozens of passengers had symptoms and ambulances were called to meet the ship.

The bigger issues is the completion of forms with regards to where each passenger is isolating, so that they can be checked on by Police or ADF personnel. In South Australia SAPOL are checking on individuals who have returned from Victoria, especially from the hotspot areas twice a day at present whilst they are in isolation. These people require evidence in the form of a letter from medical practitioners if the individual has to leave their house for medical treatment. I have witnessed this several times in the last week or so, due to my current work.

 

[Donald Schmuck]

You could replace 'BLM Protests' with 'First Game of Football' and you'd have just a compelling case or correlation, without being deliberately inflammatory.

But that doesn't suit his narrative.

 

[Stewart2Austin Reborn]

Now do it for the other states

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

so within 2 weeks incubation there was negligible change and the second wave must come from other factors, thanks for the proof

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

 

[Interstater]

I've been seeing current events through my "boomer" eyes.

I watched this last night though https://iview.abc.net.au/show/retrograde and now see things slightly differently.

Worth a watch imo, to see things from a different perspective.

 

[Grave Danger]

Daniel Andrews has been spending too much time on his footy tips - so much so that he got 11 out of 9 last round to extend his lead over the so-called experts!

 

[Capital Power]

Daniel Andrews has been spending too much time on his footy tips - so much so that he got 11 out of 9 last round to extend his leave over the so-called experts!


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Yeah each week they add the number of new crises his government gets embroiled in to his score.

 

[Andre]

It's simple IMO. People see the BLM protests with 10k people being allowed (or at least a blind eye turned) and then resent being told that yeah, your gatherings of 5, 10, 20 people still can't happen. Lots of people have taken it as hypocritical to allow a big gathering, but still deny the small ones and have gone '**** them'. This is human nature, for better or worse. That the need to still shut down small gathering is valid has been ignored.

Other states have escaped a bounce effect from their protests as they'd all largely reached elimination (outside hotel quarantines). Melbourne was still having cases due to hotel mismanagement by Andrews and was the one state that needed to deny the protests (at that point in time).

So both sides of the argument are correct. The BLM protests directly have generated a handful of cases only. Indirectly though they play a significant part in the increased figures.

 

[snozulu]

Active cases have increased by 2000 per cent in one month

When Premier Daniel Andrews announced last month that coronavirus restrictions in Victoria would be eased from June 21, he probably didn’t expect to be putting the state back in lockdown less than four weeks later.

www.news.com.au

When Premier Daniel Andrews announced last month that coronavirus restrictions in Victoria would be eased from June 21, he probably didn’t expect to be putting the state back in lockdown less than four weeks later.

It is almost unbelievable that it has taken less than a month for Victoria’s coronavirus numbers to do a stunning about-turn.


In just 25 days, 1222 new coronavirus cases have been identified. In contrast it took three months for Victoria to reach 1364 cases on May 1.

So how did this happen?

FIRST, THEY BLAMED IT ON LARGE GATHERINGS


“In fact, around half of our cases since the end of April have come from transmission inside someone’s home.”

On May 31, Victorians had been allowed to have 20 people in their home (including the hosts) but on June 20, Mr Andrews said this would be reduced to five after an increase in new cases.

However, Professor Mary-Louise McLaws of the University of NSW believes the Government did not do enough to communicate health messages to those who couldn’t read English or understand the language well enough to hear the nuances in the verbal warnings.


Prof McLaws said it was also human nature for people to flout rules but it was the responsibility of experts to consider this and plan for it.

“If people are taking advantage, it’s the planners who should have planned or thought ahead about it.”

THEN CAME THE HOTEL QUARANTINE INQUIRY


Unlike other states Victoria had hired private contractors to monitor guests, Corrections Victoria has now been put in charge of the hotel quarantine program.

Mr Andrews rejected suggestions it had taken authorities too long to take action and said a number of changes to hotel quarantine had been made over a lengthy period of time.

He said he announced the inquiry after a genomic sequencing report “left me in no doubt … there was a significant infection control problem”.


However, Prof McLaws said she had noticed a problem with Victoria’s hotel quarantine system as soon as cases began popping up in late May and last week Victoria’s Health Minister Jenny Mikakos also confirmed she was aware of concerns as early as May.

But it wasn’t until June 25 that Victorian chief health officer Brett Sutton confirmed a review was underway into the training being received by security guards at the hotels.

Prof McLaws said the severe resurgence in cases was related to the hyper-interconnection between people in Melbourne, with travellers from overseas infecting staff working in quarantine hotels, some of who have given the virus to their families.

‘DISAPPOINTING TONE’

Yet when Mr Andrews announced Victoria’s six-week lockdown this week he pointed to complacency among members of the community

WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTS?


Mr Andrews has also fielded criticism that his attitude towards the Black Lives Matter protests fuelled complacency among the population.

“Coupled with the hotel quarantine breaches, there were a small number of people who felt that once the protests had occurred, then ‘gosh if it’s okay for 10,000 people to get together, then surely it’s okay for 10,” Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt told Sky News host Chris Kenny.

“The sense of a double standard was quite strong, and there was a clear mood against that as a result”.


Ahead of the rally on June 6, Victoria did not take legal action to stop the protest, like NSW did, but police did warn people they would fining protesters.

Each of the organisers were later fined $1,652 for breaching COVID-19 orders, Victorian Police assistant commissioner Luke Cornelius said in a statement after the protest.


Prof McLaws did not think the protest led to an outbreak and said there were only four cases among protesters and none of them appeared to have caught the virus at the rally.

“I think the community are hearing a lot of mixed messages anyway,” she said, pointing to messages around schools.

“They are hearing messages that are very difficult and to put the spotlight on one message suggests there is an ulterior motive that could be political.

IT’S GOING TO BE A LOT HARDER’

 

[MrMeaner]

Anyone who saw the BLM protest as a licence to ignore restrictions was not paying attention to the government's opposition to the protest or the precautions protest organisers and attendees took. They were primed to ignore restrictions anyway.

 

[Forzaport]

You could replace 'BLM Protests' with 'First Game of Football' and you'd have just a compelling case or correlation, without being deliberately inflammatory.

10,000 people ignoring public health advice vs a game of football in an empty stadium respecting public health advice.

One is not like the other.

 

[Forzaport]

so within 2 weeks incubation there was negligible change and the second wave must come from other factors, thanks for the proof

I’m not sure how you calculate spread but incubation timing is practically perfectly aligned to a break down in social distancing from the protests onwards.

 

[Forzaport]

Now do it for the other states

Do you understand risk?

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

10,000 people ignoring public health advice vs a game of football in an empty stadium respecting public health advice.

One is not like the other.

anyone else remember seeing footage of a bunch of ****ers clumped together watching games from someones house during those same empty stadium broadcasts

****wyts gunna ****wyt

 

[Schulzenfest]

So both sides of the argument are correct. The BLM protests directly have generated a handful of cases only. Indirectly though they play a significant part in the increased figures.

So what you're saying is the BLM protestors aren't actually to blame at all, and the blame lies with the way a bunch of bellends chose to react to it. Couldn't agree more.

 

[DaTBird187]

It's simple IMO. People see the BLM protests with 10k people being allowed (or at least a blind eye turned) and then resent being told that yeah, your gatherings of 5, 10, 20 people still can't happen. Lots of people have taken it as hypocritical to allow a big gathering, but still deny the small ones and have gone 'fu** them'. This is human nature, for better or worse. That the need to still shut down small gathering is valid has been ignored.

Other states have escaped a bounce effect from their protests as they'd all largely reached elimination (outside hotel quarantines). Melbourne was still having cases due to hotel mismanagement by Andrews and was the one state that needed to deny the protests (at that point in time).

So both sides of the argument are correct. The BLM protests directly have generated a handful of cases only. Indirectly though they play a significant part in the increased figures.

Continually going to shopping malls en masse has had more effect than the BLM protests.

 

[DaTBird187]

Anyone who saw the BLM protest as a licence to ignore restrictions was not paying attention to the government's opposition to the protest or the precautions protest organisers and attendees took. They were primed to ignore restrictions anyway.

I think you're being too kind. The were primed to be selfish campaigners is more appropriate.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

I’m not sure how you calculate spread but incubation timing is practically perfectly aligned to a break down in social distancing from the protests onwards.

weird how its not linked to loosening of restrictions? oh wait