Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[RussellEbertHandball]

So what if a vaccine doesn't arrive or can't be produced? Hinging the future solely on a vaccine is a recipe for disaster. Even without a vaccine, it must be noted that to date, over 492k people have beaten the virus, whilst of the 1.4 million current active cases, 1.35 million have a mild condition.

To assume anything regarding sporting matches right now is to predict too far into the future. Though I would note that just one week prior to going into lockdown, the women's world T20 final had 84k people at the G, and we saw no issues stemming from that event.

Thats not to say sporting events should be populated right now, but rather that it will be possible even without a vaccine, for sporting events to be populated by fans down the line. I would be surprised if fans don't have access to attending games by the end of the year, but it will be interesting to see how it all develops regardless.

I reckon the first thing that will be released by pharmaceutical companies is a virus suppressant like you have with HIV and Hepatitis C. We haven't found a vaccine for them but one pharmaceutical company Gilead Science makes the drug that has suppressed both those diseases killing people in large numbers. Dr Norman Swan spoke about this last night on 7.30.

7.30

www.abc.net.au

DR NORMAN SWAN: And there's another serious issue with hydroxychloroquine.
Here's what happens electrically in the heart when it beats. Each electrical wave has a letter - P, Q, R, S and T. The distance between the Q wave and the T wave is critical for controlling how safely the heart beats. People with severe COVID-19 can have a long QT interval which puts them at peril of fatal heart rhythms. Hydroxychloroquine makes the QT interval even longer.
There's an enormous range of treatments being suggested for COVID-19 from hydroxychloroquine to blood pressure drugs to SheepIT.

There are broadly three approaches to treatment.
One is to dampen the life-threatening immune overreaction.
The second is to try to strengthen our resistance to the virus, that's the SheepIT angle, that drug is called Ivermectin.
And the third is to find a drug which kills the virus or stops it multiplying.

The front-runner in that race is a drug made by the pharmaceutical company Gilead, which has made a fortune for its sweep of antiviral drugs for HIV and Hepatitis C.
The COVID-19 candidate is called remdesivir.

MEG TIRRELL, CNBC BUSINESS NEWS: ...an update on 53 patients who had received remdesivir under what is called "compassionate use."

DR PAUL SLADE, SENIOR MEDICAL DIRECTOR, GILEAD: Basically, it prevents the virus making copies of its own genetic material and as a result then the virus can't replicate, it can't then infect more human cells. It stops that. The replication of the virus.

DR NORMAN SWAN: This is the holy grail in antivirals. Namely a drug that can treat more than one virus. However, when they tried remdesivir in Ebola it didn't work.
So, why think of it for this novel coronavirus?

DR PAUL SLADE: We know that it works - as I say, in the laboratory against other members of the same family of viruses as this coronavirus. So we believe, especially in this time of a pandemic health crisis, that it's worth exploring whether it has activity against COVID-19.

DR NORMAN SWAN: Gilead is taking a more traditional approach to testing remdesivir by using randomised control trials in hospitalised patients who receive the medication intravenously.

DR PAUL SLADE: So, there are multiple studies ongoing. We have two studies of our own. China had two studies ongoing since pretty much the start of their pandemic. There are two other studies being run both in the US and Europe. We are hopeful that we will have some initial data by the end of April.

DR NORMAN SWAN: The World Health Organisation has launched a global crowdfunding effort to fund trials of hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir, along with other medications. WHO hopes this will accelerate findings which will tell whether these drugs work.

HOLLY FERNANDEZ LYNCH: In the state of pandemic, we really, really have to hang on to our scientific principles of rigorous controlled clinical trials and we can't abandon those scientific principles on the assumption that we don't have time to wait.

 

[Magus]

I'm really intrigued as to why you think the 'Pentagon man' would want to shift scrutiny from the lab theory to the wet market theory.
Wouldn't they be more inclined to try to shift the other way?

Or is it a double bluff?
Or are they hiding the fact that this virus has a US origin?
Or are they allowing China to keep face?
etc

This is a genuine question.

Because wet markets have faced scrutiny for quite some time, despite the WHO now saying they're absolutely fine.

Blaming the lab opens up a big can of worms though. I don't think they'd want to publically entertain that idea without investigating it further.

 

[Magus]

That’s absolutely not what you said.

Carole Baskin probably killed her millionaire second husband although we can’t be certain therefore he MUST HAVE been abducted by aliens.

Really? My first post was that it would be a pretty massive coincidence for the lab to be in the same city where the outbreak happened and not be responsible.

 

[StrappingTape]

I don't get the hate against hydroxychloroquine besides Trump being excited about it. There's a disparate group of Dr's across the world all who are using it and claiming great success without any mass deaths from heart failure from using it. I don't think at this point you could say remdesivir is the front runner when there's more evidence that hydroxychloroquine is more effective and it's also dirt cheap, old, approved everywhere and all effects well known. At this point if it looks like it's working then it should be used if it is saving lives.

 

[NEGAN]

The answer is a lot?

Is it?????

This is what I want to know...

What the spike is?....

And no I am not denying a spike either.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Really? My first post was that it would be a pretty massive coincidence for the lab to be in the same city where the outbreak happened and not be responsible.

There's a biochemical lab in Shang Hai as well. They've got an Umbrella for a logo.

Umbrella Corp is the evil biochemical lab that releases the virus in Resident Evil. Carona is an anagram of a rare spelling of Racoon. Raccoon City is the setting for Resident Evil.

So this whole thing is a marketting promotion by CAPCOM for the Resident Evil 3 Remake.

 

[Magus]

You guys are campaigners. I'm gonna get Chief to delete me.

 

[StrappingTape]

Is it?????

stop trying to down play it as if it's "just the flu"

 

[NEGAN]

stop trying to down play it as if it's "just the flu"

Trump's trying to kill me don't ya know.

What's even funnier is being told I don't trust the numbers while also being the the numbers are undercooked...

 

[NoddyHolder]

I don't get the hate against hydroxychloroquine

How is discussion of possible side effects 'hate'?

The politicising and conspiracy innuendo that's crept into this thread is tedious

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I don't get the hate against hydroxychloroquine besides Trump being excited about it. There's a disparate group of Dr's across the world all who are using it and claiming great success without any mass deaths from heart failure from using it. I don't think at this point you could say remdesivir is the front runner when there's more evidence that hydroxychloroquine is more effective and it's also dirt cheap, old, approved everywhere and all effects well known. At this point if it looks like it's working then it should be used if it is saving lives.

Got any data on how many people have used it and their success rate?

This is what the prof on 7.30 last night said, but didn't supply any data.

DR NORMAN SWAN: Professor Jason Kovacic is a cardiologist and researcher still treating patients at New York's Mount Sinai Hospital, Ground Zero for COVID-19 in the US.

PROFESSOR JASON KOVACIC: The virus appears to affect the cardiovascular system in a number of different ways. One of the main mechanisms appears to be through this cytokine storm, which is you can think of is the immune system being overactive. And that overactive immune system appears to cause myocarditis or inflammation of the heart muscle.
It appears to cause the pumping function of the heart to be affected.

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DR NORMAN SWAN: Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malaria medication that also dampens the immune system. What kills people with COVID-19 is an uncontrolled overreaction of the immune system that attacks the lungs and heart and other organs. So immune suppressants, like hydroxychloroquine might help.

PROFESSOR JASON KOVACIC: The data for hydroxychloroquine is mixed. And one of the challenges with using that is at the end of the day, hydroxychloroquine is a form of an immunosuppressant. It is used to treat forms of lupus and forms of sarcoidosis. And so it's critical that if we're going to be suppressing elements of the immune response, we know what we're suppressing and the timing of when we're suppressing it.

 

[Del165198]

Life's better with that guy on ignore I'm telling ya

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I suspect this is quiet a few weeks away, but says a fair bit about the success in both countries.

The New Zealand Government is considering whether the border between Australia and New Zealand could be re-opened if both countries continue to successfully manage the coronavirus pandemic.

NZ looks at opening border to Australians but Morrison less interested

The New Zealand Government considers whether the border between Australia and New Zealand could be reopened, if both countries continue to successfully manage the coronavirus pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

New Zealand has recorded just over 1,400 cases of COVID-19, while Australia continues to successfully dampen the spread of new infections.

Those successes have led New Zealand's Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters to suggest New Zealand might open its borders to Australia sooner than the rest of the world.

"Our figures with Australia, it's almost as if we've got a trans-Tasman bubble between our two countries, and if the figures keep on going that way, then that is a serious possibility," he said.

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the possibility of opening her country's border with Singapore had also been discussed, though any change was unlikely until the countries were confident they were containing the virus. "You've heard me talk a little bit about Singapore for example, and of course we've discussed Australia," she said.

 

[PAFC66]

Honestly, Singapore's population density and cultural demographics are nothing like Australia's

It's been made undeniably clear around the world that one plan does not fit all

There is no reason why Australia can't embark on a controlled rollback right now as is being discussed at today's federal cabinet meeting

A controlled rollback won't start atleast untill flu season has finished. Nothing about restrictions being lifted was mentioned. Singapore isn't the only one. Denmark another that lifted restrictions are copping a second wave. There's no doubt there's a lot of work to be done before that's even a option.

I wouldn't expect a state of normal atleast untill winter has finished. Like the PM mentioned , there needs to be safeguards and plans made to handle a second wave before we can look at it.

 

[Lagooner]

You guys are campaigners. I'm gonna get Chief to delete me.

Come back Magus and don’t forget the ‘Cans.

 

[edgie]

Meanwhile in Sweden...

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People sit outside in the sun at a cafe in central Stockholm Saturday April 11, 2020.

Sweden records another 170 deaths overnight. Another 482 positive test results. The infection rate is showing no signs of slowing down in Sweden.

Nice to see the cool Swedes enjoying themselves I hope it works out for them.

Look at all those selfish boomers

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[pastmyprimus]

There's a stack of trials going on right now looking for treatments for covid-19.

SA's very own SA Health and Medical Research Institute (SAHMRI) is looking at re-purposing a tuberculosis vaccine called Bacille Calmette-Guerin (BCG). The aim is to see if BCG can provide an immune system boost to lessen the prevalence or severity of COVID-19 symptoms. The initial trial will involve 500 South Australian health care workers. This is just one of many projects on SAHMRI's covid-19 program.

SAHMRI BRACEs for New COVID-19 Clinical Trial

In the face of a health crisis the likes of which we’ve not seen in our lifetime, SAHMRI is more co…

www.sahmri.org

 

[raptalia]

Listening to Morrison after today's National Cabinet it appears current restriction will last about four weeks. That could mean a restart for the AFL on May 31 as originally planned.

It doesn't look too promising for crowds at footy though. Morrison is talking about social distancing for six months!

Looks like that phone tracking app will be rolled out.

Resumption of elective surgery to be discussed by National Cabinet next Tuesday.

 

[Forzaport]

Link I posted earlier in video form:

 

[Ford Fairlane]

A 106-year-old great-grandmother, thought to be Britain's oldest patient to recover from coronavirus, has been discharged from hospital.

Connie Titchen was applauded by staff as she left Birmingham's City Hospital on Tuesday, after three weeks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-52296196

 

[edgie]

Yes, but the weight of evidence currently points to it being one particular scenario.

Doesn't sound like it would be an open shut case in court. Weight of evidence not enough to inspire confidence or certainty.

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[Forzaport]

Here's a thought experiment. China had a previous coronavirus outbreak with SARS yet didn't see fit to cover it up or send false data to the WHO and world governments but they did with COVID-19.

Now what is the more likely reason for that cover-up - patient zero contracting the virus from a wet market or patient zero contracting the virus from working at a research lab studying coronaviruses that has poor physical containment protocols and insufficiently trained staff?

 

[StrappingTape]

Life's better with that guy on ignore I'm telling ya

This guy must have half the place on ignore seeing a good half active in this thread have made the same points as me. Current target seems to be NEGAN because your completely missing his point again just like mine and others.

I am surprised with Venezuela about that anyone still holds your views when they can see how it ends yet again.

 

[GremioPower]

Sweden continues to be a model of how not to do it. Now up to 11,445 positives with 1033 deaths. Multiply that by 2.5 and you have the Australian population comparison. On a population basis if we followed Sweden's example we could have 28,613 positives and 2,583 deaths by now with around 1250 positives tests a day.

The only thing that has stopped Sweden from becoming another Spain, Italy or New York is population density. The relatively small population of 10.4 million means the infection numbers and death rate is not that high.

Crazy stuff and probably too late for the Swedes to change tack.

Idiots. how could they not learn from the failure of Italy especially given Italy had the same attitude.

Sweden has probably a different success-measuring stick. They took a risk and, so far, despite the hit, there is no social caos.

There is a good chance they look the same numbers and think: "we are doing fine." They have just chosen a different "lesser evil."

 

[StrappingTape]

Trump's trying to kill me don't ya know.

What's even funnier is being told I don't trust the numbers while also being the the numbers are undercooked...

I read his post as the ABC guy dismissing it and saying the only viable treatment being the other drug. Not that REH hates it but there's been a massive media beat up to dump on the drug and prove it is shite since Trump mentioned it. One hopes he doesn't speak aloud about other possible drugs or we will hear no end how shit they are too when we all just want to know everythings being tried with an open mind.

It's also not that drug on its own it only has been effective as a combination therapy.