Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[Ford Fairlane]

0 cases for SA again today. Lucky 13 days in a row.

2 more recoveries so only 5 active cases remain.

0 ICU patients.

2 hospitalised (-1)

 

[raptalia]

The Victorian meat works cluster is a lesson for us all.

One employee who was displaying flu like symptoms went to work and didn't get tested. He had an industrial accident and attended hospital where he was tested. If he had not had the accident he probably would have kept going to work and kept infecting others. In South Australia the message from Health Authorities is, if you have any flu like symptoms get yourself tested. I am pretty sure that would have been the message in Victoria. It was for this reason that testing was ramped up across Australia. Hopefully people will learn something from this situation and if they are unwell they will get tested.

 

[pastmyprimus]

0 cases for SA again today. Lucky 13 days in a row.

2 more recoveries so only 5 active cases remain.

0 ICU patients.

2 hospitalised (-1)

Paul Keating would say they're a beautiful set of numbers.

 

[DaTBird187]

NSW doesn't have locked borders like SA and WA and Qld has opened its up - or at least for NRL players.

SA and WA governments will force 14 day self quarantine if players fly in from interstate, unless they give exemptions.

The AFL has made a big deal out of these 10 person training restrictions and the fact they can't do it in NSW or Victoria. Yet Rugby League are exempt?

 

[DaTBird187]

The Victorian meat works cluster is a lesson for us all.

One employee who was displaying flu like symptoms went to work and didn't get tested. He had an industrial accident and attended hospital where he was tested. If he had not had the accident he probably would have kept going to work and kept infecting others. In South Australia the message from Health Authorities is, if you have any flu like symptoms get yourself tested. I am pretty sure that would have been the message in Victoria. It was for this reason that testing was ramped up across Australia. Hopefully people will learn something from this situation and if they are unwell they will get tested.

Seriously WTF. This should be a name and shame scenario.

 

[raptalia]

I note that Carnival Corporation wants to re start cruises from North America.

Just as long as Carnival do not have plans to cruise to Australia anytime soon.

 

[Capital Power]

I note that Carnival Corporation wants to re start cruises from North America.

Just as long as Carnival do not have plans to cruise to Australia anytime soon.

Can't imagine any international travel (air or sea) being allowed for a while yet, apart from NZ and the South Pacific. It could be that one or more cruise ships are based here to service that market, which is popular even in normal times.

Presumably we'd only allow inbound travel from "approved" countries, and even then only when they have the same restrictions and testing regimes in place for their inbound travellers (so we don't get the situation where travellers come in from elsewhere via an approved route, like we had early in the piece).

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Restrictions on funerals will be the first to be lifted next week as South Australia looks to ease its coronavirus lockdown. Warnings and limits on regional travel are also expected to go, with locals to be encouraged to get out and spend. Premier Steven Marshall says the state's regions had been "doing it really tough", "We've had dry conditions for much of South Australia for the last three, four or five years, we've had bushfires and now COVID-19, which is really drying up jobs," he said. "So we're really keen to see the restrictions regarding regional tourism released."

On funerals, Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier said a limit was likely to remain on the number of people who could attend, but it would be increased. "This is one area that has such a big social and emotional impact on people," she said. "We also believe we can reduce the risk during those sorts of ceremonies and celebrations of somebody's life." That will include recording the names and details of people attending so they can be followed up if needed and ensuring the venue is large enough.

Funeral numbers, travel to be lifted in SA

Restrictions on funerals will be the first to be lifted next week as South Australia looks to ease its coronavirus lockdown.

www.news.com.au

 

[ploppy]

0 cases for SA again today. Lucky 13 days in a row.

2 more recoveries so only 5 active cases remain.

0 ICU patients.

2 hospitalised (-1)

Which is why all the games should be played in sa, wa and nt where we have eliminated the virus. The last thing you want is the play in the eastern states where the virus is in the community. Isn’t this obvious I don’t get how people see it any other way.

 

[raptalia]

Can't imagine any international travel (air or sea) being allowed for a while yet, apart from NZ and the South Pacific. It could be that one or more cruise ships are based here to service that market, which is popular even in normal times.

Presumably we'd only allow inbound travel from "approved" countries, and even then only when they have the same restrictions and testing regimes in place for their inbound travellers (so we don't get the situation where travellers come in from elsewhere via an approved route, like we had early in the piece).

As we know there is a White House inspired 'back to business movement' in the US and I believe the ships will be operating out of Florida which is a Trump friendly state. They will probably cruise to the Caribbean, Hawaii and some European ports like Spain and Italy where they are also looking at kick starting their shattered economies.

The US will learn nothing from the Diamond or Ruby Princess and when they have a repetition they will blame the Chinese.

 

[pastmyprimus]

The Victorian meat works cluster is a lesson for us all.

One employee who was displaying flu like symptoms went to work and didn't get tested. He had an industrial accident and attended hospital where he was tested. If he had not had the accident he probably would have kept going to work and kept infecting others. In South Australia the message from Health Authorities is, if you have any flu like symptoms get yourself tested. I am pretty sure that would have been the message in Victoria. It was for this reason that testing was ramped up across Australia. Hopefully people will learn something from this situation and if they are unwell they will get tested.

This has happened in my home state. The cluster has grown to 45. One thing it shows is how well the system responds to small outbreaks - track, trace, treat and isolate.

In Victoria we still have cases lurking in the community. Still our systems to tackle outbreaks gives you more confidence about the careful lifting of restrictions.

 

[raptalia]

Restrictions on funerals will be the first to be lifted next week as South Australia looks to ease its coronavirus lockdown. Warnings and limits on regional travel are also expected to go, with locals to be encouraged to get out and spend. Premier Steven Marshall says the state's regions had been "doing it really tough", "We've had dry conditions for much of South Australia for the last three, four or five years, we've had bushfires and now COVID-19, which is really drying up jobs," he said. "So we're really keen to see the restrictions regarding regional tourism released."

On funerals, Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier said a limit was likely to remain on the number of people who could attend, but it would be increased. "This is one area that has such a big social and emotional impact on people," she said. "We also believe we can reduce the risk during those sorts of ceremonies and celebrations of somebody's life." That will include recording the names and details of people attending so they can be followed up if needed and ensuring the venue is large enough.

Funeral numbers, travel to be lifted in SA

Restrictions on funerals will be the first to be lifted next week as South Australia looks to ease its coronavirus lockdown.

www.news.com.au

Not much good holidaying in regional South Australia if you can't get a drink or eat out when you get there.

 

[Andre]

Seriously WTF. This should be a name and shame scenario.

Name and shame for who? It's not the Meatworks fault if an employee disregarded the many health advice warnings given the last few months. Unless you mean name and shame the worker.

 

[raptalia]

Hotel industry body calling for pubs to reopen later this month under loosened restrictions

A peak industry body says South Australia's 12-day stretch without any new coronavirus cases has created a "high level of expectation" that pubs will reopen.

www.abc.net.au

I'll drink to that.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Sermo Reports: 50% of Highly Experienced COVID Treaters Believe COVID-19 Is More of an “Oxygen Failure” Disease vs. a Respiratory Disease Leading to ARDS; 48% Believe Ventilators Used Too Rapidly

This week, results from Sermo’s COVID-19 Real Time Barometer with over 5,900 physicians explored whether COVID-19 was a new type of disease, the contr

www.businesswire.com

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The AFL has made a big deal out of these 10 person training restrictions and the fact they can't do it in NSW or Victoria. Yet Rugby League are exempt?

Storm have had to move over the border to Albury as Vic government wont allow groups of 10 to train.

NSW government obviously have given NRL an exemption or NSW have lifted its restrictions to 10 and have to train in groups of 10 until they get clearance to play which is 28th. NRL lodged a 48 page protocols book with state and federal health authorities.

Chairman Peter V'landys had to go thru the equine flu shut down of horse racing in 2007 when he was CEO of Racing NSW (still is CEO) and the Sydney's Spring Racing Carnival was shutdown. He would have learnt a thing or two about documenting protocols to get approval from governments to reopen that sport.


This NRL page is dated May 4th 1.45pm

NRL clubs return to training

National Rugby League (NRL) squads today returned to work for the first time since the Telstra Premiership was suspended, completing the Apollo Player Protocol workshop, ahead of active training resuming on Wednesday.

www.nrl.com

National Rugby League (NRL) squads today returned to work for the first time since the Telstra Premiership was suspended, completing the Apollo Player Protocol workshop, ahead of active training resuming on Wednesday.

All 16 squads assembled at club bases to participate in the education day to ensure players and selected staff understand the strict biosecurity protocols designed to keep themselves and the community healthy ahead of training resuming.

Today was the first formal step as clubs commence a pre-season ahead of the resumption of the Telstra Premiership on May 28. Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) Chairman Peter V’landys AM said the education day was an important milestone in the recommencement of the competition. “It’s a great day for rugby league to see our squads assembling for the first time since the competition was suspended and I’m grateful to Clubs and players for the commitment they’ve shown to ensure the competition resumes on May 28,’’ Mr V’landys said.

“Every player participated in an education day which explained our strict biosecurity protocols to ensure players understand what they can and cannot do. “Our protocols are substantially stricter than the current government measures and we wanted to ensure the first day was devoted to educating our players - they know the future of the game rests with them complying with our protocols.”

Tomorrow will be used as an additional education opportunity as well as team meetings and individual meetings between players and staff before active training resumes on Wednesday, in compliance with the National Principles for the Resumption of Sport and Recreation Activities guidelines. To assist players and staff, the NRL has provided each Club with a dedicated COVID-19 liaison officer to help oversee implementation of the protocols, and the Clubs will allocate a COVID-19 coordinator to assist players and staff.

Acting Chief Executive Andrew Abdo said the NRL was making strong progress to resume the season. “Seeing our players back together is an exciting occasion for our fans and our stakeholders,’’ he said. “Everything we are doing is focused on resuming the Telstra Premiership on May 28 in the safest environment possible. Our clubs and our players have been outstanding in working together to make a return a reality.”

Not sure if that last bolded bit means 28th May restart is not absolutely locked in, ie still have to pass a series of health checks.

 

[Del165198]

The Victorian meat works cluster is a lesson for us all.

One employee who was displaying flu like symptoms went to work and didn't get tested. He had an industrial accident and attended hospital where he was tested. If he had not had the accident he probably would have kept going to work and kept infecting others. In South Australia the message from Health Authorities is, if you have any flu like symptoms get yourself tested. I am pretty sure that would have been the message in Victoria. It was for this reason that testing was ramped up across Australia. Hopefully people will learn something from this situation and if they are unwell they will get tested.

exact same thing as what happened in the Burnie hospital. people coming into work with symptoms. every manager should have drilled into them that if a staff member comes in sniffling/coughing and sneezing etc, send the campaigner home immediately.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

DaTBird187 here is a link to the letter that the NSW Police Commissioner wrote to Peter V'landys on 8/4/20 and you can see he states as you have a whole lot of conditions meant - "Therefore, it appears from your proposal that all persons involved in the competition would fall within this work exemption."

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6834946/Letter-From-NSW-State-Emergency-Operations-to.pdf

and the relevant Order under the NSW Public Health Act 2010

https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/_emergency/Public%20Health%20(COVID-19%20Restrictions%20on%20Gathering%20and%20Movement)%20Order%202020.pdf

Have a good read and see how they have received a legal rather than practical exemption.

I don't know if the AFL have requested something similar from the Vic Police Commissioner or whoever has been appointed State Emergency Controller under Victorian legislation.

 

[Portology]

Another interesting find 370 odd tested positive at this food place but all were asymptomatic. I think it's getting to a point that it's pretty safe to assume that it's been through a lot more of the US population and for whatever reason (tourism hub maybe?) New York copped a strain that's like much closer to the source.

More than 370 workers at a pork plant in Missouri tested positive for coronavirus. All were asymptomatic

373 employees and contract workers at Triumph Foods in Buchanan County, Missouri, have tested positive for coronavirus. All of them were asymptomatic, according to a press release from the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services.

edition.cnn.com

"373 employees and contract workers at Triumph Foods in Buchanan County, Missouri, have tested positive for coronavirus. All of them were asymptomatic, according to a press release from the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services."

That's 17% of their workforce had it and didn't even know. It may just be that much of the country is inadvertently on it's way to herd immunity. This combined with similar studies globally indicate quite strongly that it's been about the place and into more people for longer than realised.

Can't speak to origin of the two big meat packing outbreaks but, oversimplified, key differences between west coast and east coast outbreaks:

- sheer population density of NYC, plus a significant local minority community (Hasidim) that strongly resisted distancing for cultural reasons (while unironically also practicing distancing from modern tech)

- NYC outbreak mainly traces back to travel from Europe, which was only banned weeks later than travel from China, the west coast outbreak mainly tracks back to travelers returning from China. So that all goes to infection rates and then the breaking strain on the system.

- the response on both coasts was *very* different. There's one excellent article on the Washington State response in the New Yorker (usually paywall but I think 'open' right now because CV19-content). On the east coast Cuomo and (NYC mayor) DiBlasio were at severe loggerheads for some time. Not just the Cuomo-Trump stand offs we've seen on TV here.

Seattle’s Leaders Let Scientists Take the Lead. New York’s Did Not

The initial coronavirus outbreaks on the East and West Coasts emerged at roughly the same time. But the danger was communicated very differently.

www.newyorker.com

and a somewhat less informative follow up...

The End of the Beginning: Seattle Braces for the Next Phase of the Coronavirus Fight

Social-distancing measures have helped, but officials warn that a sense of complacency could bring the virus roaring back.

www.newyorker.com

A near exponential spread doesn't require circulating for much longer. we'd all love confirmation of a new milder strain but that's unsubstantiated as is the duration of post-infection immunity (unaware of any confirmed case of second infection - test failures led to that perception in two cases at least). I'm curious to the age profile of the meatworkers both in MO and SD. If stereotypically physical work, by relatively fit (by US standards) males mostly <60, maybe that profile partly explains a lesser impact?

 

[DaTBird187]

Name and shame for who? It's not the Meatworks fault if an employee disregarded the many health advice warnings given the last few months. Unless you mean name and shame the worker.

Not the workplace. As you say not their fault.

But seriously, the worker sounds like they flagrantly disregarded everything that people have been told to do.

 

[DaTBird187]

DaTBird187 here is a link to the letter that the NSW Police Commissioner wrote to Peter V'landys on 8/4/20 and you can see he states as you have a whole lot of conditions meant - "Therefore, it appears from your proposal that all persons involved in the competition would fall within this work exemption."

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6834946/Letter-From-NSW-State-Emergency-Operations-to.pdf

and the relevant Order under the NSW Public Health Act 2010

https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/_emergency/Public%20Health%20(COVID-19%20Restrictions%20on%20Gathering%20and%20Movement)%20Order%202020.pdf

Have a good read and see how they have received a legal rather than practical exemption.

I don't know if the AFL have requested something similar from the Vic Police Commissioner or whoever has been appointed State Emergency Controller under Victorian legislation.

So Sydney and GWS should technically be fine too? This whole beat up keeps going on about WA this and WA that, yet SA has never had restrictions on 10 people in a group and it sounds like NSW has an exemption too. VIC seems like the only one holding things up from a training perspective. You'd think as the AFL and VIC government are bed fellows that something should have been thrashed out by now.

 

[Interstater]

We had too many years of this crap, it will take a while to wean us off it.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So Sydney and GWS should technically be fine too? This whole beat up keeps going on about WA this and WA that, yet SA has never had restrictions on 10 people in a group and it sounds like NSW has an exemption too. VIC seems like the only one holding things up from a training perspective. You'd think as the AFL and VIC government are bed fellows that something should have been thrashed out by now.

Looks like the key definition is employment and if training fits that then they are ok to travel to their employment in NSW. But looks likely the AFL have said Sydney and GWS can't train, so therefore I guess technically they wont get an exemption to travel to work, as they are not working.

From what I can work out, the Victorian government won't budge, not even for the AFL. AFL doesn't really want hubs and all Vic teams moving outside Victoria, so they will wait until they get a big tick from Vic government. I believe the Vic government went guarantor on $600mil line of credit from NAB+ANZ, so they probably don't want to piss them off.

NRL needs the money now, AFL can wait and they will wait for a Vic government friendly policy so they can keep most Vic teams in Melbourne. That's the real difference between the 2 comps.

 

[raptalia]

Ms Ardern certainly has the world attention. I was watching SKY UK and it wasn't ScoMo they were all over it was Jacinda. In fact ScoMo didn't rate a mention in the coverage.

 

[Del165198]

We had too many years of this crap, it will take a while to wean us off it.

Campaigners. Not only are they responsible for spreading the coronavirus they also fraudulently sell a product that doesn't work (the phenylephrine version). After the meth heads got stuck into pseudoephedrine, they switched, but the studies show that phenyl is no more effective than a placebo