Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[Del165198]

In late March we had the same number of cases as Canada. They now have a total of over 62,000 cases and over 4,200 dead.

we've been so lucky.

 

[Interstater]

And on 7 news tonight they showed people searching the ground for evidence on one case and they were basically shoulder to shoulder...

 

[ploppy]

what happens if virus outbreaks in victoria get out of hand with lots of new cases forcing more lockdowns but sa,wa and nt exterminate the virus. the vics would probably cancel the season before playing it over here. or it comes to october and crowds are still banned in victoria but allowed in sa and wa...they will rather play the gf in a empty mcg than move it?

 

[Capital Power]

In late March we had the same number of cases as Canada. They now have a total of over 62,000 cases and over 4,200 dead.

we've been so lucky.

Canada suffers from its porous border with the US

There seems to have been an overwhelming adherence to lockdown here too which has definitely helped. There is a sense of the greater good which is rather comforting. I don't know that I could have coped with the scenes we've seen in other countries protesting against lockdown.

 

[Capital Power]

what happens if virus outbreaks in victoria get out of hand with lots of new cases forcing more lockdowns but sa,wa and nt exterminate the virus. the vics would probably cancel the season before playing it over here. or it comes to october and crowds are still banned in victoria but allowed in sa and wa...they will rather play the gf in a empty mcg than move it?

Sadly these are all rhetorical questions. The AFL needs a national commission, and for Eddie McGuire and his ilk not to be its major mouthpieces.

 

[Magus]

Did 7 even run the Crows story? Watched the first half and they hadn't mentioned it.
Would've been first story if Ports.

 

[Vagabond0]

In late March we had the same number of cases as Canada. They now have a total of over 62,000 cases and over 4,200 dead.

we've been so lucky.

8th March I had a family member fly out to the US .

The US had 541 cases, we had 83. Given they are 10 fold plus our population I considered the risk to be at par. Family member came home positive and in hindsight mistake we made in assessing the risk was looking at just the numbers. Other factors definitely come into play.

However being this far away from the rest of the world definitely has some advantages...

 

[Smithy7]

Did 7 even run the Crows story? Watched the first half and they hadn't mentioned it.
Would've been first story if Ports.

Ch9 did ... Crows breaking rules, who would have thought they would be so sneaky to try and get away with it ...

 

[Del165198]

8th March I had a family member fly out to the US .

The US had 541 cases, we had 83. Given they are 10 fold plus our population I considered the risk to be at par. Family member came home positive and in hindsight mistake we made in assessing the risk was looking at just the numbers. Other factors definitely come into play.

However being this far away from the rest of the world definitely has some advantages...

things could have easily gone so different if we'd ended up with a round or two of footy with crowds...

 

[pastmyprimus]

Australia's strategy was suppression rather than elimination. But there's a chance SA, ACT and WA could achieve elimination. Not likely for the larger states in the short to medium term. Vic had a recent spike due to the meatworks outbreak but at least community transmission numbers seem to be under control. So after around 2 months of hard lockdowns (Stage 2 restrictions announced on 23 March and Stage 3 on 30 March) the suppression strategy has put Aus in a fairly good position to deal with the long wait for a vaccine, even if one isn't found. Cases are at manageable levels, processes are in place to deal with small outbreaks, and our hospitals are well prepared as restrictions are lifted.

I think there were reports that lockdowns could last for six months going back a few months. So we're lifting restrictions sooner than some had expected. Risks are clearly still there but if we avoid major outbreaks and we keep our international borders closed until it's safe, it'll be good news for Aus a lot sooner than many other countries.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Did 7 even run the Crows story? Watched the first half and they hadn't mentioned it.
Would've been first story if Ports.

Yes, Theo reluctantly had the job, said they might get a fine.

 

[Del165198]

Yes, Theo reluctantly had the job, said they might get a fine.

POR POWA TRYING TO ENACT EUGENICS ON VULNERABLE BAROSSA POPULATION USING BIOLOGICAL WARFARE

~ channel 7 if the boot was on the other foot

 

[Powerage]

World-leading research by the country’s top mental health experts predicts the impact of the virus could result in an extra 1500 deaths a year over the next five years and a generational mental health crisis linked directly to the pandemic.

The modelling, conducted by Sydney University’s Brain and Mind Centre and backed by the Australian Medical Association, is expected to be taken to national cabinet next week by Health Minister Greg Hunt ahead of an accelerated second-phase mental health package.

The modelling also predicts a significant economic blow from falling productivity due to the mental health effects of unemployment, school dropouts and family crises.

Regions hard-hit by a collapse in tourism are expected to be particularly vulnerable to an increase in suicide and it is feared that young people are among those most at risk.

I'm not disputing it but an extra 1500 death per annum is a fair hike. That is an increase of about a half the approximate 3000 suicides we currently experience.



Working on the accepted estimate that up to 30 people attempt suicide for every 'successful' suicides and you would have 135 000 attempted suicides a year, an extra 45 000 resulting from the Covid pandemic. In total that is one attempt in Australia every 4 minutes if you occasionally look at your clock.

A report by Suicide Prevention Australia (SPA) and KPMG has this to say about suicides and attempted suicides:

"Real and actionable contributing factors include financial distress (particularly high debt levels), job loss and consequent increases in alcoholism and drug abuse. In 2017, 41.6% of deaths by suicide in the 25-44 year age group involved people with drug and alcohol use disorders and acute intoxication,” states the report. Other contributing factors include stressful work environments, which induce feeling of hopelessness and stress."

I would expect financial distress, job loss and alcoholism to be the big factors causing the extra suicides. I don't know what the answer is but alcohol intoxication plays a BIG factor in suicides and associated attempts and I suspect that will only increase as people are forced to sit around the house or when pubs reopen.

"The combination of these conditions, (and others) – distributed across the private, professional, social and economic domains – exert a cumulative pressure that individuals often cannot cope with. "

i.e. it is rarely one factor but a combination that drives an individual to attempt this sad and desperate act.

Consequently, the report calls for "more holistic and cross-sectoral initiatives to help reduce the plethora of risk factors that exist in society."

I'd add to that that it pays to be aware of any friends or family who look like they may be struggling with one or more of these factors. It really can be that giving them an opportunity to talk about what is going on in their lives can make a difference.

https://www.consultancy.com.au/news...-suicides-in-australia-will-continue-to-climb

Yeah maybe this is in the wrong thread.

 

[NEGAN]

CBS....

Seriously?

 

[Vagabond0]

things could have easily gone so different if we'd ended up with a round or two of footy with crowds...

I have to admit, week leading into 23rd March I was 100% convinced we were in for a lot of pain, possibly worse than Europe with the peak flu season about to start.

Ruby Princess fiasco and my own family experience where they were able to wonder through Sydney airport as they pleased without any checks or balances had me thinking "my God the Government isn't taking this serious"

However the 2 week forced quarantine came in soon later, enforcing os returnees to sit in a hotel soon after that and it managed to make the difference.

Stopping travel from China 1st Feb probably also helped as we may have restricted the risk of infected students travelling back after Chinese New Year when uni started.

The luck of being so isolated definitely helped though, had we got an early infection cluster around January like they did in Italy things would have been very different. Instead we managed to learn from other countries failures and successes. Which is too our credit, some countries fail to acknowledge the possibly of learning anything from any other country.

 

[Powerage]

‘COVID parties’ blamed for sharp rise in coronavirus cases — 7NEWS.com.au

Experts respond after reports of people deliberately mingling with an infected person in a bid to catch the killer virus.

apple.news

Unreal.

I'm just really curious as to what a Coronavirus party looks like.

Is it like a punk rock concert where people sweat, spit and bleed on each other? A book club in a crowded room with doors and windows hut? Playing naked musical chairs?

A naked book club playing musical chairs while spitting on each other...

Only, as they say, in America.

 

[portly]

I'm not disputing it but an extra 1500 death per annum is a fair hike. That is an increase of about a half the approximate 3000 suicides we currently experience.

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Working on the accepted estimate that up to 30 people attempt suicide for every 'successful' suicides and you would have 135 000 attempted suicides a year, an extra 45 000 resulting from the Covid pandemic. In total that is one attempt in Australia every 4 minutes if you occasionally look at your clock.

A report by Suicide Prevention Australia (SPA) and KPMG has this to say about suicides and attempted suicides:

"Real and actionable contributing factors include financial distress (particularly high debt levels), job loss and consequent increases in alcoholism and drug abuse. In 2017, 41.6% of deaths by suicide in the 25-44 year age group involved people with drug and alcohol use disorders and acute intoxication,” states the report. Other contributing factors include stressful work environments, which induce feeling of hopelessness and stress."

I would expect financial distress, job loss and alcoholism to be the big factors causing the extra suicides. I don't know what the answer is but alcohol intoxication plays a BIG factor in suicides and associated attempts and I suspect that will only increase as people are forced to sit around the house or when pubs reopen.

"The combination of these conditions, (and others) – distributed across the private, professional, social and economic domains – exert a cumulative pressure that individuals often cannot cope with. "

i.e. it is rarely one factor but a combination that drives an individual to attempt this sad and desperate act.

Consequently, the report calls for "more holistic and cross-sectoral initiatives to help reduce the plethora of risk factors that exist in society."

I'd add to that that it pays to be aware of any friends or family who look like they may be struggling with one or more of these factors. It really can be that giving them an opportunity to talk about what is going on in their lives can make a difference.

https://www.consultancy.com.au/news...-suicides-in-australia-will-continue-to-climb

Yeah maybe this is in the wrong thread.

Not the wrong thread.

And talking about it is fine. Anything to get potential suicides to understand that they need to get through the short period where it seems the way out.

Though my experiences in the field are from 15 years back, so maybe the theory has changed.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Another record rise in coronavirus infections has propelled Russia past Germany and France to the fifth highest tally in the world, as the French government confirmed the country would start gradually lifting its strict eight-week lockdown from Monday.

With much of Europe now easing itself out of confinement, Russia has become the continent’s new Covid-19 hotspot. More than half of the country’s 177,160 cases are in Moscow and the capital’s mayor, Sergei Sobyanin, said research suggested the actual number was nearer 300,000, more than triple the official figure.

Global report: Russia becomes Europe's coronavirus hotspot

France confirms lockdown-easing from Monday as WHO warns on domestic violence

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nemisis]

I'm not disputing it but an extra 1500 death per annum is a fair hike. That is an increase of about a half the approximate 3000 suicides we currently experience.

View attachment 871880

Working on the accepted estimate that up to 30 people attempt suicide for every 'successful' suicides and you would have 135 000 attempted suicides a year, an extra 45 000 resulting from the Covid pandemic. In total that is one attempt in Australia every 4 minutes if you occasionally look at your clock.

A report by Suicide Prevention Australia (SPA) and KPMG has this to say about suicides and attempted suicides:

"Real and actionable contributing factors include financial distress (particularly high debt levels), job loss and consequent increases in alcoholism and drug abuse. In 2017, 41.6% of deaths by suicide in the 25-44 year age group involved people with drug and alcohol use disorders and acute intoxication,” states the report. Other contributing factors include stressful work environments, which induce feeling of hopelessness and stress."

I would expect financial distress, job loss and alcoholism to be the big factors causing the extra suicides. I don't know what the answer is but alcohol intoxication plays a BIG factor in suicides and associated attempts and I suspect that will only increase as people are forced to sit around the house or when pubs reopen.

"The combination of these conditions, (and others) – distributed across the private, professional, social and economic domains – exert a cumulative pressure that individuals often cannot cope with. "

i.e. it is rarely one factor but a combination that drives an individual to attempt this sad and desperate act.

Consequently, the report calls for "more holistic and cross-sectoral initiatives to help reduce the plethora of risk factors that exist in society."

I'd add to that that it pays to be aware of any friends or family who look like they may be struggling with one or more of these factors. It really can be that giving them an opportunity to talk about what is going on in their lives can make a difference.

https://www.consultancy.com.au/news...-suicides-in-australia-will-continue-to-climb

Yeah maybe this is in the wrong thread.

Its a pity the graph doesn't take into account the population increase from 1990.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

The Bundesliga will resume behind closed doors on 16 May, becoming the first European league to restart following the coronavirus shutdown. Most teams have nine games to play, with the final weekend of the season rescheduled for 27-28 June.

 

[raptalia]

Did 7 even run the Crows story? Watched the first half and they hadn't mentioned it.
Would've been first story if Ports.

Last night and this morning. Not much detail though, they are pushing Mark McLure's 'AFL is not happy' line rather than the police investigation story.

 

[chiwigi]

Not the wrong thread.

And talking about it is fine. Anything to get potential suicides to understand that they need to get through the short period where it seems the way out.

Though my experiences in the field are from 15 years back, so maybe the theory has changed.

Opportunity and pairing are the current theories (I volunteer with veterans, I am not a psych though, so happy to be corrected on anything I get wrong here).

Unfortunately having people at home more may increase both risk factors.

It is not the extra stressors, so much as the extra opportunity and the proximity to their paired choice of 'method'.

eg. those whose pairing is 'pills' will be of greater risk, those who decided to drive into an oncoming truck will be of lower risk.

With the increased time available planning for an otherwise unavailable pairing (eg. helium) might increase. With everything becoming available online, the ability to source the pairing items is greatly increased.

 

[raptalia]

The Bundesliga will resume behind closed doors on 16 May, becoming the first European league to restart following the coronavirus shutdown. Most teams have nine games to play, with the final weekend of the season rescheduled for 27-28 June.

and two players and a physiotherapist from Koln have already tested positive. The rest of the Koln team has tested negative. The Bundesliga has been training full strength for over two weeks. It is estimated that the Bundesliga will use 100,000 test kits in it's COVID-19 detection strategy. They will be testing 240 people in two divisions at 36 stadiums on match days over 10 weeks as well as conducting weekly tests. Not sure how much testing the AFL plans to do. They will probably leave it to the clubs and get upset when it doesn't happen.

 

[chiwigi]

No, there was more to it than that. They broke the rules and being indigenous doesn't excuse that. They were not slapped with a $60,000 suspended fine for having a day on the farm. The vision I saw of Ado using a pump action looked a bit more than a pot at a few bunnies.

Mitchell and Addo-Carr hit with firearms charges as Souths star forced to surrender three guns

Mitchell and Addo-Carr hit with firearms charges as Souths star forced to surrender three guns

www.foxsports.com.au

Revealed: Storm star’s Covid camping trip was his THIRD lockdown breach

Revealed: Storm star’s Covid camping trip was his THIRD lockdown breach

www.foxsports.com.au

There are some who reckon they got off lightly.

‘They’ve shown they can’t be trusted’: Meninga says Mitchell, Addo-Carr likely to lose Test spots

‘They’ve shown they can’t be trusted’: Meninga says Mitchell, Addo-Carr likely to lose Test spots

www.foxsports.com.au

Gould calls for year-long bans for Mitchell, Addo-Carr as Kent blasts ‘culture card’ excuses

Gould calls for year-long bans for Mitchell, Addo-Carr as Kent blasts ‘culture card’ excuses

www.foxsports.com.au

If you read the articles above you will find Ado Carr did have a driving offence on April 16. Not sure if it was DUI.

The AFL players have really tried their hardest to catch up since this convo .

 

[LFC2010]