Health Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 2

[Chief]

Australian Coronavirus Stats

Latest COVID-19 stats from Australia.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Over The Post]

This is not the US...paranoid much?

You're right, it isn't the US.

Innocent man whose arm was broken by police in botched raid 'shattered' by IBAC finding

An innocent man who was badly injured by police during a botched raid is in "disbelief" that Victoria's anti-corruption watchdog cleared officers of using too much force during the arrest, his lawyer says.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Kurve]

I know people that work in the media, they are doing nothing wrong by doing their job, but they have plenty to fear from this kind of overreach.

Peter Dutton and law enforcement would be all over this app. In the timing of your encounters to fifteen minutes or more says a lot about what your association to this other person might be.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

You're right, it isn't the US.

Innocent man whose arm was broken by police in botched raid 'shattered' by IBAC finding

An innocent man who was badly injured by police during a botched raid is in "disbelief" that Victoria's anti-corruption watchdog cleared officers of using too much force during the arrest, his lawyer says.

www.abc.net.au

You can find any single story to suit any narrative. The fact is it happens far less here than it does it the US where citizens carry guns from under the age of 10 years old because they're so bloody paranoid about the government

No one is denying mistakes are made, but its not because of some corrupt governmentt or "higher power". The fact is, our current govenrment as well as opposition for that matter are far better than most of the options other countries have

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

China decides to report another 1,300 deaths out of the blue as their economy shrinks by 6.8%.

China's economy shrinks as coronavirus hits world trade

Economic effects of lockdowns felt globally as depressed demand affects manufacturers

www.theguardian.com

 

[JackOutback]

You can find any single story to suit any narrative.

 

[Gralin]

You can find any single story to suit any narrative. The fact is it happens far less here than it does it the US where citizens carry guns from under the age of 10 years old because they're so bloody paranoid about the government

No one is denying mistakes are made, but its not because of some corrupt governmentt or "higher power". The fact is, our current govenrment as well as opposition for that matter are far better than most of the options other countries have

So you were wrong?

You made an assumption that I was talking about somewhere else incorrectly?

It doesn't happen that often so no biggie?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

implement it for 6 -12 months and then remove it.

No way is this getting removed. This will become the thing governments use to keep their citizens in check. The level of control this gives them is the huge silver lining of the economic disaster this will be. It's their wet dream. Everything you do will be seen by the government, and who else will they pass that data on to? This whole thing now seems like a an exercise in installing big governments everywhere. Get everyone pumped about the government's response to the big bad flu and use the situation to push through Orwellian surveillance measures that would usually spell death for the party that proposed it. But now that we're being literally held hostage, they figure it's a good chance. "Just let us watch what you do every moment of your day, and we'll let you back outside".

No conceivable way that information could be misused or abused. No way it could fall into the wrong hands. May as well just cede our property, businesses and any sense of self to the Chinese Commu-oops, I mean the Liberal government right now.

 

[Over The Post]

Aaaaaaaand another one. (That better, Gralin? Trying to be a good boy here.)

 

[Biggy_Boy]

We just heard that police issued fines to someone because, while casually patrolling Facebook, they saw someone had posted snaps from a year-old holiday and assumed they were in breach of current restrictions?

And we think that handing over data on what we do at every minute of every day will be used sensibly and responsibly?

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

We just heard that police issued fines to someone because, while casually patrolling Facebook, they saw someone had posted snaps from a year-old holiday and assumed they were in breach of current restrictions?

And we think that handing over data on what we do at every minute of every day will be used sensibly and responsibly?

and it's now been withdrawn...no harm done

 

[Hawk Dork]

No way is this getting removed. This will become the thing governments use to keep their citizens in check. The level of control this gives them is the huge silver lining of the economic disaster this will be. It's their wet dream. Everything you do will be seen by the government, and who else will they pass that data on to? This whole thing now seems like a an exercise in installing big governments everywhere. Get everyone pumped about the government's response to the big bad flu and use the situation to push through Orwellian surveillance measures that would usually spell death for the party that proposed it. But now that we're being literally held hostage, they figure it's a good chance. "Just let us watch what you do every moment of your day, and we'll let you back outside".

No conceivable way that information could be misused or abused. No way it could fall into the wrong hands. May as well just cede our property, businesses and any sense of self to the Chinese Commu-oops, I mean the Liberal government right now.

It will be used by Dutton for political witch hunts
To attack unions and get up,whistleblowers and anyone else they want

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

So you were wrong?

You made an assumption that I was talking about somewhere else incorrectly?

It doesn't happen that often so no biggie?

Not sure how I'm wrong, I didnt say it doesn't happen, all I said was "paranoid much". The fact it rarely happens but is being used to shout from the rooftops by all the paranoid people that everyones data will be incorrectly used or leaked in some detrimental way is misguided

 

[Over The Post]

Why a Victorian couple was fined $3,300 over year-old holiday snaps

The couple was fined $1,652 each for breaching coronavirus restrictions. But they hadn’t left their home.

7news.com.au

"Victoria Police is encouraging the public to report those who are doing the wrong thing by calling 131 444 or going online."

And to think we were all deluded that East Germany and the Stasi disappeared with the fall of the Berlin Wall.

 

[10571z]

No way is this getting removed. This will become the thing governments use to keep their citizens in check. The level of control this gives them is the huge silver lining of the economic disaster this will be. It's their wet dream. Everything you do will be seen by the government, and who else will they pass that data on to? This whole thing now seems like a an exercise in installing big governments everywhere. Get everyone pumped about the government's response to the big bad flu and use the situation to push through Orwellian surveillance measures that would usually spell death for the party that proposed it. But now that we're being literally held hostage, they figure it's a good chance. "Just let us watch what you do every moment of your day, and we'll let you back outside".

No conceivable way that information could be misused or abused. No way it could fall into the wrong hands. May as well just cede our property, businesses and any sense of self to the Chinese Commu-oops, I mean the Liberal government right now.

Lol, wtf are they going to do with Data like that... oh he goes to work and the pub?
Brilliant app idea which I believe doesn’t use GPS only Bluetooth

 

[craigos]

I find it hilarious that the government think people believe the threat of them making us install an app will make us install it.

What are they going to do? Send Police around to see if you own a smart phone? **** outta here.

 

[burge13]

and it's now been withdrawn...no harm done

No harm done in the end but what happens if you rightly abuse the cops issuing the fine and they fine for you something along those lines...

 

[Caesar]

what were those measures in australia again? that we still have? ive forgotten

That’s kind of indicative of the problem.

We’ve had these measures so long that people have forgotten that there was a time when police couldn’t search your home or car without a warrant, or hold you for up to two weeks without charging you. When rent-a-cops at the airport couldn’t zip-tie and arrest you, and ASIO couldn’t hold children for a week without habeas corpus.

After 15-20 years this stuff is just normal. There are adults walking around who don‘t remember Australia being different.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

I find it hilarious that the government think people believe the threat of them making us install an app will make us install it.

What are they going to do? Send Police around to see if you own a smart phone? fu** outta here.

"Oi mate, give us a look at your phone eh? You gots a goin' outsoide loicence on dere?"

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

No harm done in the end but what happens if you rightly abuse the cops issuing the fine and they fine for you something along those lines...

Perhaps don't abuse them?

Have you ever made a mistake at your workplace and been verbally abused for doing so?

 

[burge13]

That’s kind of indicative of the problem.

We’ve had these measures so long that people have forgotten that there was a time when police couldn’t search your home or car without a warrant, or hold you for up to two weeks without charging you, or rent-a-cops at the airport couldn’t zip-tie and arrest you, or ASIO couldn’t hold children for a week without habeas corpus.

After 15-20 years this stuff is just normal. There are adults walking around who dont remember Australia being different.

I believe they still need a warrant?
I also don't think those other examples happen without a lot of smoke leading them to a potential fire...

I don't mind the post 9/11 changes. They completely unimportant but I won't be downloading this app and anyone who thinks it'll just go away, or they'll only use it for it's intended purpose for 6-12 months is kidding themselves

 

[burge13]

Perhaps don't abuse them?

Have you ever made a mistake at your workplace and been verbally abused for doing so?

I don't issue fines to people or accuse them of breaking the law...

 

[Billy ray]

well,personally i reckon the terrorists are working on a plan right now, with everyone being holed up, waiting for crowds to return to public places, and if those laws post 9/11 help catch the ****ers, great

 

[Gralin]

Not sure how I'm wrong, I didnt say it doesn't happen, all I said was "paranoid much". The fact it rarely happens but is being used to shout from the rooftops by all the paranoid people that everyones data will be incorrectly used or leaked in some detrimental way is misguided

You said this isn't the US, paranoid much.
You then dismissed it as unimportant because it doesn't happen that much.
It happens more than we see reported.
You know like when a mentally handicapped person on a disability pension takes offence to a group of cops knocking on his door and ends up getting held down, capsicum sprayed, hit around the legs with a batton and waterboarded in his front yard.

The checks and balances that are meant to protect people from these kinds of actions are getting eroded, the ability of the media to report on it is getting eroded.

Christian Porter decided that EBAs should only need 24 hour notice for votes on changes.
He did that after he got the the ACTU to agree to his powers.

You should be questioning any increase in police or political powers whether you live in America or not.

 

[Yidaki]

China decides to report another 1,300 deaths out of the blue as their economy shrinks by 6.8%.

China's economy shrinks as coronavirus hits world trade

Economic effects of lockdowns felt globally as depressed demand affects manufacturers

www.theguardian.com

What the actual ****? 1,300 deaths??? 400 new cases? Second wave?

 

[Caesar]

I believe they still need a warrant?
I also don't think those other examples happen without a lot of smoke leading them to a potential fire...

All states added sections to their Crimes Act within months of 9/11 to allow warrantless searches where the police suspect a terrorism connection.

Fortunately they included a section that ensured the police can use any evidence of non-terrorism crimes that they oh-so-fortuitously run across during such a raid.

I also don't think those other examples happen without a lot of smoke leading them to a potential fire...

When it comes to cops, the end often justifies the means and they’re pretty good at getting creative with the tools at their disposal.

Nowadays very few applications of anti-terrorism powers involve actual suspected terrorists. Control Orders are a classic example - these days they’re mostly used against bikies.