Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #3: Vaccines

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Starving children is a scourge and that it still happens in 2021 is an indictment on all world leaders. That said, it has improved significantly over the past decades. Unfortunately, for the first time in decades, it is now going to get worse again. A fraction of the money blown on Covid worldwide could have solved this problem years ago. Now that has been put back years.

Doesnt matter. Its easy to solve so its not worth solving

 

[Mofra]

Starving children is a scourge and that it still happens in 2021 is an indictment on all world leaders. That said, it has improved significantly over the past decades. Unfortunately, for the first time in decades, it is now going to get worse again. A fraction of the money blown on Covid worldwide could have solved this problem years ago. Now that has been put back years.

A fraction of the world's military budget too. The problem here is will.

 

[M Malice]

Hint: Children were starving in Africa and the Middle East before COVID. It's not a new thing, and it's also not something that is overly difficult to solve were people to actually care about it given our food production is incredibly inefficient and wasteful in many areas.

This is an abomination and demonstrates that world leaders/power brokers really don't care all that much about the health of us useless eaters. >

https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/art...le, including,million into poverty and hunger.

https://www.worldhunger.org/world-child-hunger-facts/

Each day, 25,000 people, including more than 10,000 children, die from hunger and related causes. Some 854 million people worldwide are estimated to be undernourished, and high food prices may drive another 100 million into poverty and hunger.

Approximately 3.1 million children die from undernutrition each year (UNICEF, 2018a). Hunger and undernutrition contribute to more than half of global child deaths, as undernutrition can make children more vulnerable to illness and exacerbate disease (UNICEF, 2018a).

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I wonder if the reason this hasn't been solved is because there isn't a bucket load of money in finding a meaningful and lasting solution to world hunger.

 

[burge13]

There is a bucket load of money in having more people around though? That's more customers...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

A fraction of the world's military budget too. The problem here is will.

The problem is always will and desire

The will to prevent 90 year old white men from dieing has been alot stronger then the will to prevent children dieing of malaria as a core example

 

[Run n Spread]

What's the fastest way out of this?

We end this nonsense right here right now.
End all restrictions and take a sober assessment from actual Health Bodies. If need be implement the Federal Pandemic Plan right now.

 

[faible]

Ah yes I see. You didnt read the evidence

Typical

Hint : Old people were dieing at the age of 89 before Covid. Its not a new thing and its also not something that is overly diffficult to solve were people to actually care about providing good living conditions as our aged care system is incredibly inefficient and wasteful in many areas

You do know how the average age works right?

Average age of death is 80 for example.

Half live to 60. Half to 100. So if you die at 81 it's not 'oh well they were above average death age anyway'.

But you're correct, aged care is a massive issue. Thus the Royal Commission in to it. And the appalling management of COVID in Aged Care settings continues to show how flawed the system is.

Starving children is a scourge and that it still happens in 2021 is an indictment on all world leaders. That said, it has improved significantly over the past decades. Unfortunately, for the first time in decades, it is now going to get worse again. A fraction of the money blown on Covid worldwide could have solved this problem years ago. Now that has been put back years.

This is an abomination and demonstrates that world leaders/power brokers really don't care all that much about the health of us useless eaters. >

Yep. World hunger is one of the easier ones to solve. We have the resources to do it (easily) at a global level. There's just simply no will to do so. It's an afterthought.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You do know how the average age works right?

Average age of death is 80 for example.

Half live to 60. Half to 100. So if you die at 80 it's not 'oh well they were above average death age anyway'.

But you're correct, aged care is a massive issue. Thus the Royal Commission in to it. And the appalling management of COVID in Aged Care settings continues to show how flawed the system is.




Yep. World hunger is one of the easier ones to solve. We have the resources to do it (easily) at a global level. There's just simply no will to do so. It's an afterthought.

A fair few studies have Covid deaths in smaller groups then that

COVID-19 deaths by age group and sex

This graph shows the number of COVID-19 associated deaths in Australia for males and females by age group since the first case was reported.

www.health.gov.au

Thats the best site.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

People with pneumonia often require ventilators and given the significant official drop in incidence of pneumonia over the last 15 months - some crazy people suspect that covid may have been simply misdiagnosed and those Covid cases were in fact pneumonia - Imagine! Alternatively, you can believe pneumonia disappeared altogether and was frightened away by COVID, which is a very scary infection because you just can't detect it.

 

[faible]

A fair few studies have Covid deaths in smaller groups then that

COVID-19 deaths by age group and sex

This graph shows the number of COVID-19 associated deaths in Australia for males and females by age group since the first case was reported.

www.health.gov.au

Thats the best site.

What do you think that graph looks like if it was allowed to spread unchecked as per many of the posters' here demands?

 

[M Malice]

Yep. World hunger is one of the easier ones to solve. We have the resources to do it (easily) at a global level. There's just simply no will to do so. It's an afterthought.

Have you got any theories as to why this is the case?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What do you think that graph looks like if it was allowed to spread unchecked as per many of the posters' here demands?

Sad thing is we do not have this example outside of Sweden so lets say Sweden.

So based on population itd be 30,000 deaths as Sweden has 14,400 deaths and us having 2.4x the population. This ignores altogether the co morbidites of this and the ability for Covid to take a death from someone who was close to death from Cancer for example and add it to a new category. So in that sense we are actually measuring the wrong thing. Cause of death is irrelevant. Its the total and thereafter excess death that matters

Sweden 2020 - 97941
Sweden 2010-2019 average - 90,674
Excess death - 7,267

With Australia we can times this by 2 if im being lazy and say that is 16,000 excess deaths. We have 8,000 to 10,000 deaths of smoking per year, we have 20,000 heart attacks per year, we have about 4,000 suicides per year. We also have 8,000 deaths with flu like illnesses which instantly are removed from the equation too so we can actually round this down to more like 8,000 if im fair dinkum

All up. 16,000 extra people dieing in a year isnt really that big of a excess. We had a equally as big increase in 2018 to 2019 of 15,380 thanks to that alarming increase in asbestosis and dementia deaths both years randomly had

 

[Run n Spread]

Spot on.

Plus..

Just how many people over the age of 70 have NOT had the chance to be vaccinated? Zero.

How many people under the age of 70 have died from the virus in Australia? Single digits probably? How many under 40 (only people who can't get the vaccine)? 1 or 2?

So... what's the problem? Again, people can't be responsible for themselves. Didn't one third of nursing home patients actually refuse the vaccine when offered? Well, you can't help people who don't wish to be helped, I'm sorry! We can't keep sinking money into ZERO CASE efforts, and let the economy sink via lockdowns to accomodate morons. It all has to open up at some stage.

I keep saying it, the government wants this to continue as long as possible, they want to maintain control... for you all to think Covid is the only problem in society and that THEY are the solution. Look at the pay rises they're giving each other for doing such a great 'Covid' job, while wage growth is under 1.5% for everyone else. They don't give a damn about anyone in reality, Covid is a wicked political tool though.

Exactly. All this talk of protecting the elderly.
Why not let them decide what they want? Maybe they would prefer to spend their last days outside free and getting the best of life.

 

[Bender20]

What the hell do they think is going to happen in Scotland.
Maybe jab related, it is basically coming into summer over there so it can't be covid19.

Police Scotland are looking to purchase shelters for Disaster Victim Identification purposes, in the event of a Mass Fatality incident.
CPV: 35200000, 35200000.

View Notice - Public Contracts Scotland

www.publiccontractsscotland.gov.uk

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You do know how the average age works right?

Average age of death is 80 for example.

Half live to 60. Half to 100. So if you die at 81 it's not 'oh well they were above average death age anyway'.

But you're correct, aged care is a massive issue. Thus the Royal Commission in to it. And the appalling management of COVID in Aged Care settings continues to show how flawed the system is.




Yep. World hunger is one of the easier ones to solve. We have the resources to do it (easily) at a global level. There's just simply no will to do so. It's an afterthought.

If the will and resources put in stopping Covid was put into stopping world hunger. Would world hunger still exist today?

 

[Kurve]

Exactly. All this talk of protecting the elderly.
Why not let them decide what they want? Maybe they would prefer to spend their last days outside free and getting the best of life.

It's not solely about protecting the elderly for the elderly's welfare because as we're seeing here very few care outside their immediate family. It's about not jamming the hospitals full of covid patients where resources are exhausted and that risks the care of others. Accident emergencies etc.

I personally dont like the thought of throwing anybody under a bus, not the elderly not anybody. If this was the Spanish flu where it was killing younger people mostly, do you think the elders wouldn't do what they could to protect them? Of course they would.

 

[Kurve]

What the hell do they think is going to happen in Scotland.
Maybe jab related, it is basically coming into summer over there so it can't be covid19.

Police Scotland are looking to purchase shelters for Disaster Victim Identification purposes, in the event of a Mass Fatality incident.
CPV: 35200000, 35200000.

View Notice - Public Contracts Scotland

www.publiccontractsscotland.gov.uk

The Scots are tinny, they know ..

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Right, so let me get this straight..... It's ok to attribute every single death in the elderly to the vaccine where they had taken one but when it comes to Covid, no sir, it was age, co-morbidities, sniffles, the plague but it definitely wasn't Covid!

Absolute hypocrites the lot of you!

Got that the wrong way around, you are the hypocrites. People that don't believe Covid caused deaths where there were co-morbidities are only applying the logic you people used used to point out your hypocrisy when it comes to the vaccine and subsequent deaths. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Bender20]

You'd have to be a complete knob to disregard anything in this article.

In a letter, the contents of which reached Channel 12, submitted this morning, the doctors explained that "There is no room to vaccinate children at this time," and based the call on "the following values - the value of caution, the value of humility", as well as understanding that "haste is from the devil." They also cited "the recognition that we do not understand everything about the virus and the vaccine against it," and "the first commandment of medicine - 'First do not harm.'"

They noted that "the increasingly prevalent opinion within the scientific community is that the vaccine cannot lead to herd immunity, therefore there is currently no 'altruistic' justification for vaccinating children to protect at-risk populations."

They added that even today it is unclear whether the vaccine prevents the spread of the virus and for how long it confers protection, and noted that new variants "that may be more resistant to vaccination are popping up all the time."

93 Israeli doctors: Do not use Covid-19 vaccine on children

"We believe that not even a handful of children should be endangered through mass vaccination against a disease not dangerous to them."

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[BlueE]

People with pneumonia often require ventilators and given the significant official drop in incidence of pneumonia over the last 15 months - some crazy people suspect that covid may have been simply misdiagnosed and those Covid cases were in fact pneumonia - Imagine! Alternatively, you can believe pneumonia disappeared altogether and was frightened away by COVID, which is a very scary infection because you just can't detect it.

WHO ordered that if pneumonia was present and the dead person either had a positive COVID test (at any replications) or symptoms of COVID (same as pneumonia) that the main cause of deaths recorded on the death certificate, was to be COVID-19.

That was why I was waiting and expecting Australia's pneumonia deaths to be much less in 2020 than 2019. And although affecting exactly the same average age of 85 as COVID, cause of deaths from pneumonia from the Australian Bureau of Statistics was 1200 less in 2020, than 2019 or 2017.

COIVD could have replaced pneumonia as a cause of death for the same advanced age vulnerable person. Grouped with pneumonia and flu in 2020 would have been the 17th highest cause of death in Australia.

2020 COVID-19 = 908 deaths. Average age of death = 85.
2020 COVID+ flu = 950 deaths Average age of death 85.
2020 flu = 42 deaths (only 2 after April 23rd)
2020 pneumonia = 1910

2019 flu = 948 deaths. Average age of death = 86
2019 pneumonia = 3176 deaths, ave age = 86

2017 flu = 1255 deaths. Average age of death = 86
2017 pneumonia = 3014 deaths, ave age = 85

2020 flu+ pneumonia = 1,952 deaths due to influenza and pneumonia recorded from 1 January to 24 November 2020. (not even top 20 in cause of death?)
2019 flu+ pneumonia = 4124 deaths (9th leading cause of death)
2017 flu + pneumonia = 4269 deaths (9th leading cause of death)

2020 COVID + flu+ pneumonia = 2860 deaths (17th highest cause of death based on figures from 2019)

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/coronavirus-2.1252045/post-68890064

 

[Run n Spread]

Ah yes, we've now shifted the goalposts away from you providing any form of evidence to support your claim, that even the TGA says isn't supported by their very own data, to the point that they're considering actual legal action against those who are misrepresenting it, to hungry children in Africa.

Hint: Children were starving in Africa and the Middle East before COVID. It's not a new thing, and it's also not something that is overly difficult to solve were people to actually care about it given our food production is incredibly inefficient and wasteful in many areas.

Exactly. If the money time and effort was spent solving world hunger (Food production, distribution, water and electricity supply, education and dare I say hot button but <sustainable fertility> improved birth control education and for women etc) the possibilities would be endless.

Instead we wasted our chance on this Covid horseshit. How many billions were wasted on this track and trace bullshit, experimental vaccines, lockdown bribes, PR campaigns (what pandemic needs PR) increased police?

Yet we've implemented worldwide policies which have made the starvation/other health problems inherently worse for the sake of a mild flu like virus (which was most probably created in a Lab anyway) Ridiculous.

The people who support this are frankly the selfish ones. They care for nothing but themselves. There is something fundamentally wrong with the world at present but rather than try and solve they'd use a "pandemic" if you can call it that to advance themselves. Disgraceful.

 

[faible]

Have you got any theories as to why this is the case?

Doesn't win votes?

Sad thing is we do not have this example outside of Sweden so lets say Sweden.

We have many examples of countries failing at managing it. Sweden also didn't do nothing, contrary to what you're suggesting.

All up. 16,000 extra people dieing in a year isnt really that big of a excess. We had a equally as big increase in 2018 to 2019 of 15,380 thanks to that alarming increase in asbestosis and dementia deaths both years randomly had

Their deaths wouldn't even really count.

Also, your maths is incredibly flawed.

If the will and resources put in stopping Covid was put into stopping world hunger. Would world hunger still exist today?

Obviously not, given how easy it would be to solve world hunger.

 

[faible]

Instead we wasted our chance

Yes. 2020 was the one and only year in the entire history and future of humanity when we could have solved world hunger. Nailed it.

<sustainable fertility> improved birth control education and for women

More education for women tends to result in decreased birth rates; two birds, one stone.

mild flu like virus

Still running with this?

They care for nothing but themselves

Unlikely.

 

[Run n Spread]

It's not solely about protecting the elderly for the elderly's welfare because as we're seeing here very few care outside their immediate family. It's about not jamming the hospitals full of covid patients where resources are exhausted and that risks the care of others. Accident emergencies etc.

I personally dont like the thought of throwing anybody under a bus, not the elderly not anybody. If this was the Spanish flu where it was killing younger people mostly, do you think the elders wouldn't do what they could to protect them? Of course they would.

This isn't the Spanish Flu thou.

And as for your last point.

The elderly don't exactly have the best track record.

High youth unemployment, Middle Eastern Wars, lack of affordable housing, Covid

So no.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Doesn't win votes?



We have many examples of countries failing at managing it. Sweden also didn't do nothing, contrary to what you're suggesting.



Their deaths wouldn't even really count.

Also, your maths is incredibly flawed.



Obviously not, given how easy it would be to solve world hunger.

Sweden did the best example of nothing. I could use other examples but most people just throw them out as lies for example. Like if I come in here and give China as a example, would that be okay? Or Belarus?

Maths was a guestimate. Its fairly accurate atleast. 10-15,000 is a prettty okay estimate I think. Do you think 30,000 covid deaths minus the decrease from that in co morbidites and other respiratatory illnesses is far off?

What would be your guestimate?