Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) 2020

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carnthemlions said:
Please don't make light of it or share anything like this. Coronavirus is a huge threat to the elderly and people with other health concerns like the ones in your graph. At one point over 99% of deaths were in people with other conditions/comorbidities (heart disease being the most common).
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I'm a nuffie on a footy forum, not on the nightly news, I'm with Brett C on this one, there's always something out there that's going to kill us all and I certainly don't trust the media to give an informative, dispassionate, non exaggerated, non sensationalist run down of what is happening re coronavirus. As I said earlier, take sensible precautions and most people will be fine, no need to panic IMO.

I'm on the verge of elderly myself and have several 80+ relatives.

That will do for me on corona on our forum, I'd rather leave discussion of issues like this and politics/religion to the appropriate board, it can get rather heated, we mostly get along really well on here and I wouldn't want that to change. GO LIONS!
 
marooned said:
Won’t be happy if we can’t go to the footy because of this. Massive overreaction, if you feel like you are at risk go wrap yourself in all the dunny roll you have stockpiled.😡
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Again.

It’s not the potential direct risk mass gatherings might have towards vulnerable individuals.

It’s the potential to spread the virus beyond those at the football.

Right now it appears that coronavirus is contagious BEFORE symptoms appear. So that’s BEFORE people are coughing, sniffling and sneezing.

People may be unwitting carriers before they become “sick”.

You pick it up at the football, take it home to your family, take it to work, take it to the next football game.

Maybe you only pass it on to 1% of the people you come in to contact with before you show signs. That might only be 1, or 2, or 3 people.

But there are people who work in workplaces with hundreds of people. Commercial high risers with lifts. Construction sites, offices, shopping centres, schools, hospitals, etc.

So the risk isn’t to yourself. It’s the wider risk to your community and society in general.

This why our government agencies are trying to track down contacts infected people have had, so all those people are then required to go in to self isolation for 2 weeks.

You might be bullet proof, but is everybody you come in to contact with afterwards bulletproof?
 
briztoon said:
Again.

It’s not the potential direct risk mass gatherings might have towards vulnerable individuals.

It’s the potential to spread the virus beyond those at the football.

Right now it appears that coronavirus is contagious BEFORE symptoms appear. So that’s BEFORE people are coughing, sniffling and sneezing.

People may be unwitting carriers before they become “sick”.

You pick it up at the football, take it home to your family, take it to work, take it to the next football game.

Maybe you only pass it on to 1% of the people you come in to contact with before you show signs. That might only be 1, or 2, or 3 people.

But there are people who work in workplaces with hundreds of people. Commercial high risers with lifts. Construction sites, offices, shopping centres, schools, hospitals, etc.

So the risk isn’t to yourself. It’s the wider risk to your community and society in general.

This why our government agencies are trying to track down contacts infected people have had, so all those people are then required to go in to self isolation for 2 weeks.

You might be bullet proof, but is everybody you come in to contact with afterwards bulletproof?
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He didn’t say he was bullet proof - just wants to be able to watch his favourite footy team live.
Trust me, he is not the only one who will be pissed if he can’t.
 

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Dlions said:
He didn’t say he was bullet proof - just wants to be able to watch his favourite footy team live.
Trust me, he is not the only one who will be pissed if he can’t.
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Yeah, I’m another one, don’t get me wrong about that. I just bought my first season membership.

But I also have a family, and my work is full of high at risk people.
 
Gadzorks said:
One unknown is effect on pregnancy. Got a few family members in medical professions currently aiming to get pregnant. Gotta wonder if they have any way of knowing other than wait and see.
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Babies don't seem to get it in any morbid inducing doses nor does it get passed on by the mother during pregnancy or birth.

My daughter's expecting in April and she's looked into it very thoroughly.
 
Brett C said:
The current death rate is greatly over stated due to the simple fact the don’t have accurate numbers on people infected with Coronavirus. South Korea is at the forefront of testing and levels are circa 0.6% and the rates are decreased as testing increased.


80% of all cases are considered mild and a substantial number will not be counted with as they haven’t displayed symptoms.

The world has never been better prepared for an outbreak like this, within a week the virus was identified and 3 days later the gene sequence available and then within 3 days a test available. A substantial number of commercial pharmaceutical,biotechnology labs as well as academic Groups such as UQ are working on vaccines and treatments already.

The risk of catching it is very low with direct contact needed for an extended period outside of sometime coughing or sneezing on you.

Like SARS and MERS this will be a distant memory in a few months.
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Look at what's happening in the US right now. No one can even get tested for the virus, Mike Pence probably thinks the end of days is here and funding that would've gone to preparation for something like this has been repeatedly cut. Most people can't trust the health system because they don't want to be bankrupted by medical costs, no one knows how many cases there might really be. Most responses won't be close to that bad, but still decades of cuts don't put most places in a great place to respond (especially in Europe and the UK). If any vaccine is produced we're relying on big pharma, not ****ing UQ.

That 0.6% death rate outside Wuhan was already being reported a couple of weeks ago I think. South Korea might be the norm, it might also be the best case scenario for halting an outbreak. Don't assume everywhere will be like that. Turkish media outlets are reporting that there is no coronavirus in Turkey at all, that won't end well.
Saucery said:
Possibly the most incorrect statement you have made, Taiwan and Malaysia have dealt with the virus the best from their experiences with SARS/MERS. They locked down quickly and contained it. Most other countries already acknowledge they are trying to hold the containment lines but are failing.

The rest of the worlds response has been pathetic at best. You know Italy is in total lock down, Britain expects 350,000 fatalities. You do understand vaccines need extended trials to be deployed and that's only if one is found. You say the risks of contracting it are very low and yet here we are, in the middle of a pandemic. You should stow your chicken little jibes until the adults work out what is happening.
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Bit concerning that a vaccine being produced even within 12 months probably depends on the US govt funding its production and that there aren't many companies with the capacity. The best case scenario I've seen is that as the virus spreads further it mutates and becomes less effective or isn't as much of a threat in drier/warmer environments, but that was pure speculation.
Jason mp said:
I'm a nuffie on a footy forum, not on the nightly news, I'm with Brett C on this one, there's always something out there that's going to kill us all and I certainly don't trust the media to give an informative, dispassionate, non exaggerated, non sensationalist run down of what is happening re coronavirus. As I said earlier, take sensible precautions and most people will be fine, no need to panic IMO.

I'm on the verge of elderly myself and have several 80+ relatives.

That will do for me on corona on our forum, I'd rather leave discussion of issues like this and politics/religion to the appropriate board, it can get rather heated, we mostly get along really well on here and I wouldn't want that to change. GO LIONS!
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It's not likely to be the end of the world, just be aware that if tracing and containing cases fails here social distancing, school closures, cancellations of mass gatherings etc will probably be implemented. Part of the problem is that we're way behind in terms of public health campaigns and no one knows what they should be doing. That's why it's best not to downplay the threat, we don't want people going from thinking nothing's wrong to panicking if we do get lots of cases. Misinformation is a real issue.
 
Eugh came back from a walk through the drizzle with the slightest sniffle (damn, I should go on Australias got talent with those rhymes...).

My general monthly tp buy is coming up. Shall I i do my usual buy of a single unit? Or will the run on effect of panic buys and general buyers delaying their buys lead to more panic. Decisions decisions :p

Honestly my only desire is to not catch it and pass it on to my elderly-'ish' mother. I think its responsible of people to limit their risks, even if they themselves are at less risk themselves..

Thanks to all linking informative information etc. The struggle for sanity in the modern world is never more apparent than with this (other than the election cycle..good lord)
 
FLVanLandingham said:
Eugh came back from a walk through the drizzle with the slightest sniffle (damn, I should go on Australias got talent with those rhymes...).

My general monthly tp buy is coming up. Shall I i do my usual buy of a single unit? Or will the run on effect of panic buys and general buyers delaying their buys lead to more panic. Decisions decisions :p

Honestly my only desire is to not catch it and pass it on to my elderly-'ish' mother. I think its responsible of people to limit their risks, even if they themselves are at less risk themselves..

Thanks to all linking informative information etc. The struggle for sanity in the modern world is never more apparent than with this (other than the election cycle..good lord)
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Exactly.

Getting it mightn't be much of a problem to fit young healthy people but who they pass it on to could potentially be a huge problem for them.

Very important point.
 

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I think it is relatively likely that a multi-week lockdown for larger metropolitan areas is on the cards, probably in mid-late April going off what the current information is suggesting. As much as it would maybe be the most effective option, I can't imagine that will happen at the same time nationwide (for economic and logistical reasons), so we may well see a scenario where there are no crowds in Victoria but crowds allowed up here.

The Herald Sun seems to be suggesting that rounds 4 and/or 5 are the most at risk of being played without crowds, which is Easter Thursday at home for us and then the Bulldogs at Marvel.

It's also worth noting though that the virus hasn't seen a real outbreak in any warm/tropical areas yet, suggesting that the climate may play a significant role in slowing it down. So we may see a scenario where it becomes a big deal in Victoria a month or so before it becomes a big deal here perhaps.

Either way, having spent most of my time over the past few weeks working around this subject in a few different capacities, my best guess is that by early-mid May life as normal will have resumed - it will either be contained (unlikely), or it will be so widespread that there won't be much point in calling off football games or anything else for that matter, and those at risk will unfortunately be in an incredibly vulnerable position where they just have to be as cautious as they possibly can be.
 
Worth noting that countries being used here as examples of morbidity and mortality are in the northern hemisphere. In healthcare we deal with winter surge; people get sick/er in winter, placing significantly increased strain on all components of health systems and emergency services in the context of access to and provision of appropriate care, workforce implications, $$$$$$ etc.

Australia is now heading into winter surge alongside rising incidence of COVID19. The problem will be a lot of people getting sick, at the same time, on top of all the usual winter sicknesses, and therefore interventions to minimise the spread of COVID19 will take place.

Like other respiratory illnesses, complications such as pneumonia will require ventilation. There is a finite number of ventilators (and other healthcare) available, and therefore decisions will need to be made about who gets access.

It’s anticipated the situation will be at its worst in May in Australia. This may change but I’m aware health and ambulance services are preparing for this timeframe.

It’s an incredibly serious issue. I’d prefer to be wrong, but I reckon we’re going to miss football games.
 
There seems to be a bit of knowledge here so this is a serious question. Given the level of concern around the virus, is it recommended to stay home sick if you develop any kind of cough in the absence of the other symptoms?
 
KissKiss said:
Looks pretty likely that my trip to the us in a few weeks will be called off and my work is prepping us all to be able to work from home for a few weeks. Sounds pretty likely that Vic gov will order a partial shut down of Melbourne to slow the spread
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My workplace has placed a ban on all discretionary international business travel, is requiring staff to inform them of any personal trips overseas and is currently developing plans for all staff for whom it is an option to work from home. Seems like businesses really are taking the virus seriously, I guess the advantage of being in the Southern hemisphere is that we've had a bit more time to plan before the inevitable outbreak this winter
 
Maroon Monsoon said:
There seems to be a bit of knowledge here so this is a serious question. Given the level of concern around the virus, is it recommended to stay home sick if you develop any kind of cough in the absence of the other symptoms?
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Yes, advice at the moment is to work from home for 5 days, as most people show symptoms of COVID-19 after this time. I would speak to to your boss etc and see what they think.
* Disclaimer: I am not a medical doctor *
 
Maroon Monsoon said:
My workplace has placed a ban on all discretionary international business travel, is requiring staff to inform them of any personal trips overseas and is currently developing plans for all staff for whom it is an option to work from home. Seems like businesses really are taking the virus seriously, I guess the advantage of being in the Southern hemisphere is that we've had a bit more time to plan before the inevitable outbreak this winter
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Further to this, a large university in Brisbane has stopped international travel and only approved and mission critical domestic travel is allowed.
 

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