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Lions Flag 2020 said:
Thanks Chopper. The lack of staff reason isn’t a factor as that’s more about cost as labour will be easy to find over the next little while as the tourism, dining and entertainment industries close. To offset the extra cost in labour simply put up prices to cover (shouldn’t be much on a % basis).
Agree that it couldn’t be 24/7 because of effective cleaning. So make it 22/7 and do shelf stacking then too.
With regards to noise around docks councils and governments are going to have to enact some exemptions I feel. People need to realise we are in extraordinary times so rules and ways of doing things need adjusting by regulators. Do you think what they are doing in hospitals in China and Italy meet standards and regulations?

I raise the 24/7 supermarket trading because in other countries they trade 24/7 and they are not having the same issues as the countries without 24/7. However, I do acknowledge your the expert in this field and I’m just a layman.
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There will be staff yes, but you cant just throw any random in. They still need to do the proper training. There is a lot of OH&S involved
Lions Flag 2020 said:
Thanks Chopper. The lack of staff reason isn’t a factor as that’s more about cost as labour will be easy to find over the next little while as the tourism, dining and entertainment industries close. To offset the extra cost in labour simply put up prices to cover (shouldn’t be much on a % basis).
Agree that it couldn’t be 24/7 because of effective cleaning. So make it 22/7 and do shelf stacking then too.
With regards to noise around docks councils and governments are going to have to enact some exemptions I feel. People need to realise we are in extraordinary times so rules and ways of doing things need adjusting by regulators. Do you think what they are doing in hospitals in China and Italy meet standards and regulations?

I raise the 24/7 supermarket trading because in other countries they trade 24/7 and they are not having the same issues as the countries without 24/7. However, I do acknowledge your the expert in this field and I’m just a layman.
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Increasing the hours at all just wouldnt work. Right now retailers need to be spending that money for staff to get stock to stores. Having stores open longer means stretching current staff super thin. Stores could currently be open until midnight, but they are still going to be half empty by midday. Until people buy less and supply lines can increase people will still smash stores in the mornings.

When you are talking costs, the rates of pay for retail staff during those times is a massive cost. Running stock with public in the store is a massive safety risk and means you fill the stock half as quick. Reducing the opening hours has given more flexibility to when trucks can also unload to stores as we do have more time to fill shelves.

Ultimately if people could accept that right now supply cant match demand, and be patient and stop trying to buy extra stock levels would return to normal. And also remember that this entire situation has been caused by customer demand and stupid behaviour. All these extra steps that have to be taken, all the extra cost, extra hours that staff are working, all the abuse we cop doesnt need to be happening. Every person that walks into a shop and cant buy what groceries they need, all the needy and aged people who are disadvantaged, child care centres that cant get pasta to make food for the kids, families of 6 that now need to shop 3 times a week, this is all completely avoidable.
 
Gadzorks said:
This is nice to read -
But he’s still a duck head
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I just can’t believe kids aren’t involved in the chain of transmission.

So kids can get it off parents, which we’ve already seen, but they don’t pass it on.

We might not have seen it happen in China (Wuhan), because they closed all the schools when they closed everything else. Kids were kept home. It wasn’t the kids going out to get food or medicine, and therefore getting exposed and bringing it home.

Watching the news this morning, children being a link in the train of transmission was one of, if not the main, reason given for the UK closing their schools.
 

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Another conundrum - this guy’s daughter lives between his place and her mothers. Her grandmother lives with the mother, but he hasn’t told them what’s going on.

I do not want to get between these two as it’s ugly. But he should tell them. So frustrating that people just don’t do the right thing. Isolating for two weeks isn’t a big imposition.
 
Dylan12 said:
Bit like Americans buying guns to shoot away the virus. :oops:
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i believe the psychology in the States is that they buy guns to protect themselves against..............................wait for it...........................................................


....................................other people who have guns o_O
 
Reports this morning on the ABC, that Australia is likely to keep its borders closed for 6 months, or however long the pandemic lasts. Either shorter or longer.
 
I'm actually more worried about the long term affects on the global/Australian economy and the broader impact on our society than the chances of me or loved ones getting seriously ill or death, if there is a prolonged shutdown of thousands of businesses it could have massive long term consequences.

When I visited my mum and her sister yesterday I told them I shouldn't give them their customary greeting hug and peck on the cheek.... mum said don't be silly Jason, if I can't give my son a cuddle life's not worth living... and she also wants to see her grand children and great grand children.
 
Jason mp said:
I'm actually more worried about the long term affects on the global/Australian economy and the broader impact on our society than the chances of me or loved ones getting seriously ill or death, if there is a prolonged shutdown of thousands of businesses it could have massive long term consequences.

When I visited my mum and her sister yesterday I told them I shouldn't give them their customary greeting hug and peck on the cheek.... mum said don't be silly Jason, if I can't give my son a cuddle life's not worth living... and she also wants to see her grand children and great grand children.
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Yeah, been thinking about this as well.

I’ve been thinking about state and federal budgeting.

Their going to have to find the money for massive numbers needing unemployment payments.

More money pumped in to hospitals and health care.

I don’t know how we support the collapsed tourism and hospitality sectors. And the ancillary businesses that supply and rely on these industries.
 
BangyBangy said:
Flew back to Melbs today. Yeah, looks like I'll be a vegetarian for a few days by the look of my local shops meat section lol.

Fun part of my day today, a lady two rows in front of me on the SkyBus calling her doctor to get her corona virus test results.

I kid you not.

briztoon this is why we can't stop the virus in this country. People like that. Luckily the result came back negative.
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OMG!
 
For those following the potential drug treatment clinical trials: see blog post Coronavirus: Some Clinical Trial Data.

Summary: the hydroxychloroquine – azithromycin (an antibiotic with other properties) combination looks the most promising to reduce viral load but better designed clinical trials are required. These are happening all of the world (including Australia as I previously posted)
 

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Drove down to northern NSW for a surf, needed sunscreen for the girlfriend so we went to a shopping centre thinking it would be quiet. Nope! Packed and people out everywhere and it seems no different from any other time I’ve come down. It’s things like this that are one of the many reasons it’s incredibly hard to slow it down enough that it becomes manageable.
 
Saucery said:
It seems COVID19 doesn't just make people sick, it makes them stupid too.

www.theguardian.com

Fears 'lockdown parties' will increase global spread of coronavirus

Young people around the world have been defying official advice and bans to carry on socialising
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....and selfish.

From reading that piece, it seems the attitude of the "young" in some places is that

"well, we don't care if we get it cos we'll get over it................ so screw everyone else who we give it to"
 
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MSB ROYS said:
For those following the potential drug treatment clinical trials: see blog post Coronavirus: Some Clinical Trial Data.

Summary: the hydroxychloroquine – azithromycin (an antibiotic with other properties) combination looks the most promising to reduce viral load but better designed clinical trials are required. These are happening all of the world (including Australia as I previously posted)
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Apparently that was the document that made trump change his mind about just ignoring the virus and business as usual.

Going to be interesting to see if the universal health care and income support measures he's announced stick around. A community is only as strong as the people in it and the lack of affordable testing/care/ ability to isolate away from work has been amajor driver for the US situation.
 
I just posted this on the Main Board:

"I'm sick of hearing how we (Australia) are tracking "just like Italy"

Some facts:

1) Median age in Italy= 45.4; Australia =37.9 (current)

2)Smoking Rate in Italy (2016) =23.70%; Australia (2017-18) = 13.8% )
(the above were the the most recent stats I could find for both countries)

So the smoking rate in Italy was nearly double (four years ago)than what it was in Australia two to two and a half years ago.

Like any virus, Covid 19 attacks the respiratory system. You don't have to be Einstein to draw an inference here.

3) Health Care expenditure as a percentage of GDP (2016) Italy 8.9% ; Australia (2016) 9.25%

4) Reported Coronavirus cases in Italy on Feb 28 = 822; Deaths = 21 (Death rate of 2.55%)

Reported Coronavirus cases in Australia today = 876 ; Deaths = 7 (Death rate of 0.80%)

We are "tracking" nothing like Italy."
 
Seeing what is happening in Italy has taken me back several times to a random conversation I had with an Italian lady at the shops about 6-7mths ago....We were both seated side by side and got talking..

...the talk got to her worry about her parents in Italy who were elderly and how she wished they would come out here as the health and aged care system were next to non existent there.....said our health system and the retirement/aged care facilities here were first class.

Went on to say because it was their culture for families to look after their old people, nothing much had been done in either sector.

I've wondered a few times if this could be why they are having such a terrible death rate over there now and the lack of a really decent health system..
 
MacMum said:
Seeing what is happening in Italy has taken me back several times to a random conversation I had with an Italian lady at the shops about 6-7mths ago....We were both seated side by side and got talking..

...the talk got to her worry about her parents in Italy who were elderly and how she wished they would come out here as the health and aged care system were next to non existent there.....said our health system and the retirement/aged care facilities here were first class.

Went on to say because it was their culture for families to look after their old people, nothing much had been done in either sector.

I've wondered a few times if this could be why they are having such a terrible death rate over there now and the lack of a really decent health system..
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There is anecdotal evidence that the situation in Italy was exacerbated when they shut the schools.

Parents prevailed on their parents to look after their kiddies so they could keep their jobs.

Even a small percentage of asymptomatic children infecting their Nannas and Pappas has obvious consequences
 

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