Cousins 2005 or Gablett 2009?

[dajesmac]

My mate and I were arguing about this today, what does everyone else think? Gablett is silkier no question but Cousins would run his arse off all day and just play his heart out, and usually to success. My opinion, I would rather have Cuz on my team.

Please don't use this as an excuse to bitch about Cousins being a coke addict, I'm pretty sure everyone is sick of that. Also, there's no point saying things like "he played better because of the coke", cause that's idiotic.

But yes vote away, who would you rather have in your 18?

TYPO IN POLL, SORRY, MEANT TO BE GAJ '09

 

[goldcoastfc]

Is that a typo in the thread options or the title?

I'd take Cousins. His 2005 was incredible, I think he was close to the shortest Brownlow favourite in history that year wasn't he?

I remember a game against Brisbane late in the year, it was a milestone game for Cousins and he absolutely tore them to shreds. Phenomonal player throughout the whole decade.

 

[dajesmac]

Is that a typo in the thread options or the title?

I'd take Cousins. His 2005 was incredible, I think he was close to the shortest Brownlow favourite in history that year wasn't he?

I remember a game against Brisbane late in the year, it was a milestone game for Cousins and he absolutely tore them to shreds. Phenomonal player throughout the whole decade.

Haha, yeah sorry mate, thanks for pointing that out. Gablett 2009 is what I meant.

And I agree with your response too. I may be slightly biased as he's my favourite player (only slightly, I'm usually never biased haha) but I just love the way the guy plays.

 

[blues4flag]

Cousins was my favourite non-Carlton player in the competition back then. His ability to stand up when everybody else was spent was phenomenal.

 

[pacemaker]

Many are going to say Ablett, but he seems to have this selfish thing about him. Sure he got more Brownlow votes at 30 something, and Cousins only got 21 odd but second to cousins was Kerr with 20 odd, I remember it only being 1 vote apart. Would have been great to see 2 people get a brownlow from the same club in the same season. In fact it is the only time a club has finished 1 and 2 in the brownlow.

Cousins has more run, superior LEADERSHIP, but Ablett could gather slighty more possessions. I would like to see a poll to see which midfield was better

WCE: Cox, Judd, Kerr, Cousins, Braun
GEE: Blake, Ablett, Ling, Bartel, Selwood

 

[GrandBlue]

Ben Cousins comfortably. He could do everything brilliantly from winning the hard-ball, to great kicking, to creative handballing, tackling and all the leader-ship material to expect like bumping, leading the pack, providing pressure etc. Gary Ablett's tackles have never been very effective and while he's a good kick, his handballing is hardly creative or Greg Williams esque, they're cheap if you ask me. I don't see him applying pressure that often either.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

in terms of skills and evasiveness theirs a big big difference between the two

to be honest this really is a stupid poll, ablett is comfortably the best player this decade to play the game, 3 MVP awards in a row, 30 brownlow votes this year out of 19 games, has a phenomenal finals football record, 3 best on grounds in a row in preliminary finals, and 36 possesions and 2 goals in the 08 grand final.

up until round 7 ablett was averaging 38 possesions a game, this is just absolutely freakishly rediculous, what ablett did this year is up their with the all time great midfield performances

i am sorry but cousins 2005 season was not in the same league as what ablett put on display this year.

as good as it was.

and no cousins wasnt the shortest price favourite for the brownlow ever, ablett stole that last season.

 

[SHURN]

I'm going to have to say Ablett

As fantastic as Cousins' 05 was, Ablett has been something else for the past 3 years.

Cousins incredible consistency made him a champion.
Ablett has been consistently brilliant.

Something of a difference.

 

[dajesmac]

Just for the record, I don't mean whose season was better necessarily, I meant who was a better player around that time/would you rather have in your team. Just clearing that up.

As I said, Cousins ability to inspire his whole team singlehandedly (not saying Ablett can't but Cousins was better at it) and his work ethic and the way he could run all day was unbelievable. That's why I'd prefer him in my team.

It's the same thing with Brett Kirk, many people rate him highly, and not because of his actual football ability, but by the way he plays.

 

[willoblue]

unbelieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevable

Ablett gets the major tag every week, gets some cheap possies yes, run 4 the team, we all need that in a team, but this is a guy whose head is put on a target every week.
the cheap possessions cloud his other fantastic work. Ablett Jnr, Judd & Harvey as the best 3 hip swivelling tackle breakers I can remember.

Cousins is a fantastic footballer, don't get me wrong, but at wc when Judd was there he was NEVER the number 1 priority.
the opposition used 2 spend time thinking how 2 stop Judd, & Cousins ran around almost free

Cousins' main footballing strength is his gut busting running. he was a later version of Shane Crawford after all. Crawf probably shaded Cousins in skill (including could take a decent grab), but I believe Cousins took the gut busting running to a new level.

Which brings me to a question, with all of the rotations nowadays does gut busting running become less of a weapon?

Another interesting thing to think about is that the AFL coach (and i use that term loosely) to introduce rotations was Chris Connolly. his main problem apart from not being a leader of men was that his rotation policy was a great idea but just needed refining. to take off a player who was "burning" because it was his time was ludicrous.
i liken him 2 a guy who almost invented the internet

last point: when Cousins plays well the team do ok, when he doesn't not much diff.
As opposed 2 Gazza, when he plays poorly the Cats struggle

anyway, my vote is totally & unequivacably 4 Ablett

 

[willoblue]

I would like to see a poll to see which midfield was better

WCE: Cox, Judd, Kerr, Cousins, Braun
GEE: Ottens, Ablett, Ling, Bartel, Selwood[/quote]

Cats easily because of the rucks & the last mentioned. Ottens would make Cox his b@#$h & Selwood would EAT Zoolander for breakfast & poop out beau footsteps waters

 

[GrandBlue]

in terms of skills and evasiveness theirs a big big difference between the two

to be honest this really is a stupid poll, ablett is comfortably the best player this decade to play the game, 3 MVP awards in a row, 30 brownlow votes this year out of 19 games, has a phenomenal finals football record, 3 best on grounds in a row in preliminary finals, and 36 possesions and 2 goals in the 08 grand final.

up until round 7 ablett was averaging 38 possesions a game, this is just absolutely freakishly rediculous, what ablett did this year is up their with the all time great midfield performances

i am sorry but cousins 2005 season was not in the same league as what ablett put on display this year.

as good as it was.

and no cousins wasnt the shortest price favourite for the brownlow ever, ablett stole that last season.

You're a complete idiot

 

[Gibbo_88]

I would like to see a poll to see which midfield was better

WCE: Cox, Judd, Kerr, Cousins, Braun
GEE: Ottens, Ablett, Ling, Bartel, Selwood

Cats easily because of the rucks & the last mentioned. Ottens would make Cox his b@#$h & Selwood would EAT Zoolander for breakfast & poop out beau footsteps waters[/quote]

Cats easily? WC midfield group was amazing to watch in their prime. The two groups you've mentioned WC wins...if you were to mention the whole group of players that play midfield for both teams then Geelong wins.

 

[tin can sam]

Ablett won more of his own ball then Cousins.

I think I have these 2 years on par, maybe Ablett slightly ahead, but no doubt Ablett's 08 was better then any single season Cousins has produced.

 

[reggie]

Ablett's disposal is/was clearly better

 

[Doctor Feel]

Ablett won more of his own ball then Cousins.

I think I have these 2 years on par, maybe Ablett slightly ahead, but no doubt Ablett's 08 was better then any single season Cousins has produced.

More of his own ball? Surely you need statistical evidence to support such a bold claim.

Cousins for mine.

 

[Big Nasty]

Not surprising the result so far considering you would have mainly two sets of supporters voting for Cousins, and one anti-Ablett flog in Grand Blue.

 

[EagleMan87]

Not surprising the result so far considering you would have mainly two sets of supporters voting for Cousins, and one anti-Ablett flog in Grand Blue.

About half of the posters who voted for Cousins are neither West Coast nor Richmond supporters, and that's almost the same amount of votes overall for Ablett.

Just admit that maybe people genuinely think Cousins was better.

 

[sammyg77]

Never seen Geelongs midfild play like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ukSjyIVho&feature=related

That 30sec is the most unbelievable piece of play from 3 gun midfielders I have ever seen.....Had it all.....tenacity, strength, skill, balance, pace, poise etc etc.

I can watch this over and over again.

 

[GrandBlue]

Not surprising the result so far considering you would have mainly two sets of supporters voting for Cousins, and one anti-Ablett flog in Grand Blue.

and then you have a bunch of Geelong supporters, including you, a biased Geelong scum who votes Geelong players no matter what the circumstance and ignores all logic.

Do you even have reasoning behind why you think Ablett's better? At least I explained why I thought my post, all you can do is cry about there being 2 sets of supporters to vote Cousins despite the fact that looking at the voters, the majority are neutrals. Now I've asked you this before and I'll ask you again, please elaborate on why you think Ablett's better.

 

[tin can sam]

More of his own ball? Surely you need statistical evidence to support such a bold claim.

Cousins for mine.

Ablett led the league this year for contested possessions averaged.
http://www.afl.com.au/Stats/tabid/73/Default.aspx

Can't find it for Cousins, but I have no doubt it wasn't as high as Ablett's

for example, in 2005 Cousins had only 33 tackles while Ablett had 83 in 2009.

 

[gabstar]

It has to be Ablett

 

[Byron_Clanger]

of course im gonna say benny cuz

 

[Hodgepodge]

Cousins. Provided more run through the middle, while Ablett is somewhat stationary and collects lots of 1-2s and cheap possessions round the back.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Im with grand blue.


Also ablett may have more disposals but geelong just play that type of game of course his going to get more of the ball than cuz the game has changed a lot since 2005 players get cheap disposals so really 40 touches is about 25 good ones the wrest are just crap kick to kick out of backline and back in but compared to dan rich when he gets 30 odd touches a game there great ones hitting brown of the chest from 50 meters away.


cuz for me i may be a bit bias but i just hate ablett he was allmost crying when he didnt win the brownlow a couple of years ago like bloody hell your playing a game that you love and get paid tons of money while other people who work i hard job and hate it get paid nothing.HARDIN UP!

And cuz has a lot of gut running.