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The majority of those are typos and it's funny how you can only spot 6 in a long essay. Why don't you correct one of GC26's posts? You're better off marking the whole post in red.
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Cousins 2005 or Gablett 2009?
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The majority of those are typos and it's funny how you can only spot 6 in a long essay. Why don't you correct one of GC26's posts? You're better off marking the whole post in red.
My, someone isn't taking this argument very seriously. You might want to stick to Bay 13, bud.
For starters, when did I compare my opinion with proffessionals? I'm merely stating the facts that contested possessions are something you can't debate with when they include free-kicks and picking the ball off the ground, not to mention, picking the ball up off the ground also counts as an HBL.
and yet again, you make up scenarios like when I said the umpires are rubbish and know nothing. Do you mind linking me to where I said that you knob? I said it didn't matter what they thought, because they're obviously suckered in for cheapies.
You're bringing the MVP argument into this? You do realize, Chris Judd at one stage, didn't even know who the majority of players around him were. Players aren't the best judges, they play the game for money most of the time, it's not like they need to watch every bloody game. If they're asked to give their choice for the best player, some will go along with the media and say Ablett and that's not even getting to the fact that most midfielders have a better perspective on Yablett's game. Again, you're argument is null and void.
Mike Sheehan?...
Oh, by the way, I'm not the only one who disagrees that Ablett should be top 10 in the decade. He only played 3 good years whilst a decade ranges over 10 years. Again, poor argument.
and funny how you're calling me stupid. You're the one who thinks Tom Hawkins will be the best KPF in the AFL next year. Hilarious.
and forgod sake, take an english class, your spelling and grammar is dreadful.
whether you directly say it or not isnt really that relevant to the point, because the stuff you say is highly contradictive of the opinions of the superior football knowledgables, such as mike sheean, the umpires, the players, etc. not that this means much or has anythin much to do with the topic, but its quite hilarious how u think all of the opinions are flawed and mean nothing compared to yours, as even above u say a few of them are.
the MVP is considered even more presteige than the brownlow to some these days, the players know every inch of every other side dont worry about that, when you spend a career 7 days a week training, analyzing, and studying football gameplans, drills, skills, and opposition, and have full time staff to analyze and provide you with experted feedback on the opposition aswell, ontop of playing against them head to head in matches, they know FAR far more than you or me do about who are the best AFL players, that is why the MVP is so prestegious.
grand blue, please explain two things with your flawed logics.
1. you say ablett doesnt get the hard ball gets and do the in and under pack work, but he is ranked number one in contested possesions which includes hard ball gets, and he only played 19 games, and was still ranked number one, so why when statistics are provided to prove your theory incredibly wrong, are they all of a sudden not valid?
has the AFL gotten their statistics department all set up wrong? once again, you know all grand blue, and the AFL statistics department has gotten their definitions and observations of contested possesions and hard ball gets wrong, and your right. ahahaha.
2. in finals the pressure goes up a notch, the game is faster, more physical, more pressurizing, more intense, their is no space, no easy possesions or cheap kicks allowed in finals, no one would disaggree with this, and ablett has been best on ground in 3 preliminary finals in a row, one of the best on grounds in the 08 loosing grand final, and a handful of other best on grounds in the other finals he has played, when things are at the toughest, ablett plays his best football, their is no such thing as a easy 37 disposals in a grand final, or preliminary final.
Umm probably because contested possession including hardball gets doesn't actually mean he had many. Waiting around the outside of a pack for a handball still counts as a contested possesion, so long as there's someone within about a metre of you. Which in the midfield happens, hmmm, all the time?
like i said, their is no such thing as cheap easy possesions in finals, and ablett is the best finals player in the competition, one of the best we have ever seen in the game, only not as good as his old man, who is the greatest finals player of all time.
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What are you talking about, there is no cheap possessions in finals
There are cheap possessions in all games of football, finals or no finals
There are cheap possessions in all games of football, finals or no finals
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1. You're a stupid idiot. How many times must I repeat myself, if he gets contested possessions, it doesn't mean he gets a lot of hardball gets. A contested possession counts if you pick up the ball off the ground in a congested area, if you get a free kick for anything and if you pick up a handball recieve in a congested area and assuming Ablett gets 25 of those handball recieves and 3 free kicks, he gets 28 contested possessions. I know your head is as thick as a brick, but at least try to get it through.
2. Again, you're a stupid idiot. Please elaborate on why you think there are no cheap possessions in finals, and in saying there aren't any, does that mean you're implying they do exist in H/A games? because if so, Ablett still remains king of them. By the way, Ablett wasn't BoG in any of the Prelims, saw them all and thought yet again, he was gathering cheapies. As for the 2008 Grand Final, he was never going to win the Norm Smith, Luke Hodge comfortably had a far better game than Ablett.
like usual grand blue, your wrong on both accounts above,
think logically with your brain for one minute, now contested possesions constitute... hard ball gets.... and also possesions around other players close by, ablett played 19 games for the season, and was clear number one for the stat, when contested possesions constitutes both as 50.50 contribution, hes clearly going to have a fair few hard ball gets in their aswell, anyone who watches ablett with a unbiased opinion can tell u this.
also you bring up an interesting point as ur argument against ablett, claiming he has alot of cheap 1 2's that classify as contested possesions, and do you know why this is? because ablett gets so much attention from the opposition, that he is constantly under pressure by 2 or 3 players at once, he is that good that teams shit themselves whenever he is around a contest and are always breathing down his neck, this contested football stat actually is a compliment to both abletts toughness at winning the hard ball gets and a sign of respect from opposition, as it also shows how highly opposition sides rate him, as they always have someone breathing down his neck when he has the ball. also the fact that he is always a perfect decision maker under such pressure all the time is amazing.
and yes ablett was best on ground in the 07 first final against north, and best on ground against collingwood gathering 35 touches and dodging two players to kick the match winning goal, stepped up when it counted, something the doggies lack in september, real cream tallent that lifts a cogg, he was also one of the best on ground in the 08 prelim against doggies, and was arguably the best on ground in the 08 grand final, second in the norm smith, and said by many experts as being the best on ground, ablett steps up when it matters.
what im saying, i will try and make it simple for you, as i have a fair idea after reading several of your posts, what your understanding of AFL and its workings is like, which is an area you need to improve on, i suggest watching more games coming up next year.
in the finals, the game becomes much more quicker, physical, intense, and pressurizing, because their is much more at stake, battling it out in the final weeks for the premiership cup, seem simple so far? im trying to make it. as a result of the level of the game going up a notch, so called "cheap possesions" are very hard to come by and scarce, their is no way, ablett would be allowed easy 1's and two's going for a stroll in a preliminary or grand final, yes it can happen of course, but its much harder to happen, as everything is done with hammering pressure applied, nothing comes easy, and especially considering 4 of geelongs past 6 preliminary and grand finals have all been close, and ablett best on ground in every one of them, he is just a dead set hard ball winning gun who handles pressure better than anyone.
if your literature abilities and attention span has allowed you to read on this far, then congradz.
what i am saying is that garry ablett wouldnt be allowed easy 1's and 2's all day in a match as intense as a grand final or a prelim, he would have to earn his disposals rightfully so, things are much harder in finals, and true characters shine, and the cream rises to the top, this is why the western bulldogs can never beat a genuine tallented side in the finals, because when the real pressure is on, the gun sides lift to another level out of desperation, and the bulldogs can not keep up with this.
it is the theory of football going to a new level in finals, that is why the western bulldogs can not compete and always loose, because the other sides in the top 4 have just that extra more tallent then they do, which shines through in september when it counts.
Cousins can get the hard ball just fine. Whenever the eagles were in trouble cousins would go straight into the centre square for a reason. He was more than happy to put on a block or win the ball himself depending on what he saw at the time, he reads the play that well he's always steps ahead of others.
Judd and kerr benefitted bigtime from playing and training with cousins. He ran harder than anyone else and all this talk about average disposal is rubbish he had clean hands a great handball and his delivery to forwards was unstoppable. The only thing he lacked was penetration and would struggle to get goals from long range.
He always stood up for the young guys even if it meant running across the field, agreed his tackle count is low and even now you will see him standing off the pile of bodies waiting to get the ball because it's his role and no one would be better at it. Jumping on the pile could earn him a tackle stat but why bother? He also plays more of an outside role so is not as close to opposition whereas if abletts opponent gets the ball it's ussually within half a metre of ablett and he can apply an easy tackle.
I'd take cousins, his possesions are of a bit more worth and he does more as opposed to ablett doing less at a slightly higher level), he's a superstar who's happy to take the back seat and play the team role whereas i don't think ablett is, he is more like judd in that a lot of things are handed to him.
Cousins was awesome to watch in full flight because there was no one like him, he'd get smashed everywhere and get back up without fuss and go again. The comeback game against the cats is the perfect example.
Judd and kerr benefitted bigtime from playing and training with cousins. He ran harder than anyone else and all this talk about average disposal is rubbish he had clean hands a great handball and his delivery to forwards was unstoppable. The only thing he lacked was penetration and would struggle to get goals from long range.
He always stood up for the young guys even if it meant running across the field, agreed his tackle count is low and even now you will see him standing off the pile of bodies waiting to get the ball because it's his role and no one would be better at it. Jumping on the pile could earn him a tackle stat but why bother? He also plays more of an outside role so is not as close to opposition whereas if abletts opponent gets the ball it's ussually within half a metre of ablett and he can apply an easy tackle.
I'd take cousins, his possesions are of a bit more worth and he does more as opposed to ablett doing less at a slightly higher level), he's a superstar who's happy to take the back seat and play the team role whereas i don't think ablett is, he is more like judd in that a lot of things are handed to him.
Cousins was awesome to watch in full flight because there was no one like him, he'd get smashed everywhere and get back up without fuss and go again. The comeback game against the cats is the perfect example.
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If it was a record, it's not now.
Cousins tore up Brisbane? He's won my vote.
Correct me if I am wrong but I am sure Shane Crawford in 1999 had the shortest odds to win the Brownlow at $1.50.
You're wrong cousins had shorter odds and broke the record and i think ablett has gone even shorter still.
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In this post GC26 maintains that 'things are much harder in finals'
And in the following, he argues that a player was allowed to wreak havoc in a Grand Final.
Which is it, GC?
And in the following, he argues that a player was allowed to wreak havoc in a Grand Final.
Which is it, GC?
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In this post GC26 maintains that 'things are much harder in finals'
And in the following, he argues that a player was allowed to wreak havoc in a Grand Final.
Which is it, GC?
He'll think of something stupid, you'll see.
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Was 2009 even ablett's best season out of 2007, 2008 and 2009?
Winning the brownlow is not a reason to say yes.
Winning the brownlow is not a reason to say yes.
In this post GC26 maintains that 'things are much harder in finals'
And in the following, he argues that a player was allowed to wreak havoc in a Grand Final.
Which is it, GC?
Luke Hodge plays as a loose man in defense, or he plays on the worst forward for the opposition.
with the sort of attention ablett gets from the entire opposition side, it is impossible to get cheap possesions.
when i want to find stupid, i just take a look through your posts grandblue, always a rich source
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Nono. It's impossible to play loose in finals.
Help me reconcile your two vastly differing posts. This ain't gonna do it.
Again.
it is impossible for garry ablett to play as a loose man.
it is impossible for a player of abletts ability to get cheap stats in finals.
luke hodge is not on garry abletts level of ability. he is a whole class above hodge
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How does this make sense when loose possessions don't occur in finals, let alone Grand Finals?
Teach me.
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