Mega Thread >>COVID-19 DISCUSSION THREAD<<

[Angry Red Bull]

No sh*t Sherlock. You’ve condensed pretty much what has been posted non stop on the internet to suit a certain narrative when there’s sh*t loads that dispell your narrative. It still causes havoc with people becoming sick whether in or out of hospital. It’s not a cold, it’s not the flu and any pea brain should know this. It will be with us throughout 2022. It will constantly cause problems in staffing or in manning infrastructure. Football sides will be effected. Schools will be effected. Hospital staffing will be effected. And as so many become complacent and think it’s just a cold they’ll stop getting their booster and then let’s see if it’s just a cold. I get your frustrated & you want 2019 normal. So do I. It’s not coming back in a rush. It’s not a war where someone surrenders and it’s all over it’s going to take time. Its a bloody virus. If you had of said it may mutate again and the next variant may pose an even smaller risk I’d agree with you. But your pretty much talking exactly like a lot of people did at the start. “It’s just a flu” & “it’ll be normal come jan 1 2021”. Lastly and this will be my final post because this is a waists of time as we won’t agree. Cutting and pasting is not educational it’s just plain plagiarism to suit your narrative that “it’s just a cold”, just a ******* cold. Go tell that to the people in hospital right now. Just a cold fu**me

oh and just liked a boomer you’ll reply thinking the last word is a win. I can hear it now “I won the internet”

My motivation isn't frustration yearning for 2019. I'm a fatalist and will abide accurate analysis good or bad I don't quote any internet BS other than DATA. DATA doesn't lie. The logic is born from that DATA, which you somehow seek to deny.

I didn't say it was a cold. I said it's no worse than a cold. 99306 of 99425 are classified as mild.!!!!!!!! You don't quote anything supportive but we should believe you all the same. Sorry my BS alarm is going off.

Some people just can't approach things without being driven by hysteria. MEH

 

[bedford]

Hope you are all good mate. Take care.

I'm okay , quite a few are awaiting results , Corowa Hospital is like a sheltered workshop only 10 tests a day and 72 hour results

 

[HPKS]

My motivation isn't frustration yearning for 2019. I'm a fatalist and will abide accurate analysis good or bad I don't quote any internet BS other than DATA. DATA doesn't lie. The logic is born from that DATA, which you somehow seek to deny.

I didn't say it was a cold. I said it's no worse than a cold. 99306 of 99425 are classified as mild.!!!!!!!! You don't quote anything supportive but we should believe you all the same. Sorry my BS alarm is going off.

Some people just can't approach things without being driven by hysteria. MEH

Post 3,858 posted at 6:28pm yesterday. Has the issues with it going forward as I’ve said regularly. I’m not hysterical. If anything it’s more derision with what you write.

you wrote @ 9:39

“There is a unique opportunity right now to ride the wave of a variant no more severe than a cold”

Then @ 9:46 edited your post. This is what your really believe but then realised what you wrote so edited your post 7 minutes later. Pathetic. I’m done with you. Go grift somewhere. Why don’t you take your clap trap to the covid thread on the SRP board and see how it goes. You’ll find a friend in Matt83 atleast

 

[HPKS]

I'm okay , quite a few are awaiting results , Corowa Hospital is like a sheltered workshop only 10 tests a day and 72 hour results

All the best

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Post 3,858 posted at 6:28pm yesterday. Has the issues with it going forward as I’ve said regularly. I’m not hysterical. If anything it’s more derision with what you write.

you wrote @ 9:39

“There is a unique opportunity right now to ride the wave of a variant no more severe than a cold”

Then @ 9:46 edited your post. This is what your really believe but then realised what you wrote so edited your post 7 minutes later. Pathetic. I’m done with you. Go grift somewhere. Why don’t you take your clap trap to the covid thread on the SRP board and see how it goes. You’ll find a friend in Matt83 atleast

I haven't edited that other than typing errors. I stand by my comment entirely. if you don't understand it's not my problem. I'm not so timid i care If you don't like what i say. Sorry. As for deriding people who abide DATA analysis all I can say is .......not surprising

 

[Tedeski]

Anyone know how we can get the free rapid antigen tests that perottet announced?

You give the chemist $50 & they'll give you 5 for free.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

You give the chemist $50 & they'll give you 5 for free.

I've tried. Can't

 

[HPKS]

I haven't edited that other than typing errors. I stand by my comment entirely. if you don't understand it's not my problem. I'm not so timid i care If you don't like what i say. Sorry. As for deriding people who abide DATA analysis all I can say is .......not surprising

I fully understand where your coming from but I disagree just like Professor Neil Ferguson does for the reasons I posted in the link.

So hardly derision it is then

 

[bedford]

I'm okay , quite a few are awaiting results , Corowa Hospital is like a sheltered workshop only 10 tests a day and 72 hour results

Not 1 rapid test left between Wangaratta and Wagga

 

[HPKS]

OzSage experts warn ‘let it rip’ Covid strategy will condemn vulnerable Australians to death | Health | The Guardian

Sheer scale of cases means the impact on an already fatigued health system ‘could be enormous’, report says

amp.theguardian.com

“In a report released on Thursday, OzSage said the trajectory of Covid data suggested hospital admission and intensive care unit occupancy numbers were “on a steeply rising trend and anticipated to exceed earlier peaks quite soon. In other words, optimistic assumptions about the impact of the Omicron variant on hospital admissions are unrealistic.”

OzSAGE

ozsage.org

 

[Angry Red Bull]

OzSage experts warn ‘let it rip’ Covid strategy will condemn vulnerable Australians to death | Health | The Guardian

Sheer scale of cases means the impact on an already fatigued health system ‘could be enormous’, report says

amp.theguardian.com

“In a report released on Thursday, OzSage said the trajectory of Covid data suggested hospital admission and intensive care unit occupancy numbers were “on a steeply rising trend and anticipated to exceed earlier peaks quite soon. In other words, optimistic assumptions about the impact of the Omicron variant on hospital admissions are unrealistic.”

OzSAGE

ozsage.org

I repeat 99306 of 99435 covid cases are mild symptoms. Is there something ambiguous in that? This I should add follows all the other countries experiences.

There is a major difference in Omnicron as opposed to previous covid variants. Omnicron is an upper respiratory Infection 70 times more than delta and 10 less lower respiratory than delta as per scietific testing That means that the only pathway to pneumonia that killed the vast majority in previous variants is secondary Infection (controllable by antibiotics). That's why people aren't dying

Shall i go into theories as to why the genome shifted in that way? I can if you like. Apparently the person in SA who first presented with the new variant had a common cold at the same time they were covid Infected. Somehow DNA features of covid were displaced by features of the cold and Omnicron was born....there was a merging of genetics. Now an upper respiratory illness not a lower one. Fortunate because it stopped being a killer. Well except for those dying already

 

[HPKS]

I repeat 99306 of 99435 covid cases are mild symptoms. Is there something ambiguous in that? This I should add follows all the other countries experiences.

There is a major difference in Omnicron as opposed to previous covid variants. Omnicron is an upper respiratory Infection 70 times more than delta and 10 less lower respiratory than delta as per scietific testing That means that the only pathway to pneumonia that killed the vast majority in previous variants is secondary Infection (controllable by antibiotics). That's why people aren't dying

Shall i go into theories as to why the genome shifted in that way? I can if you like. Apparently the person in SA who first presented with the new variant had a common cold at the same time they were covid Infected. Somehow DNA features of covid were displaced by features of the cold and Omnicron was born....there was a merging of genetics. Now an upper respiratory illness not a lower one. Fortunate because it stopped being a killer. Well except for those dying already

Oh ffs you clown your cutting and pasting it’s bloody obvious. You trap on about data then as shown in the link, their word not mine “covid data”, and then you still babble on about this. FMD your a nobody like me who has some knowledge but you just can’t accept your wrong when it’s put it front of you by experts. Clown go find something else to copy & paste.

and at some stage I’ll expect a laughy face from the other clown.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

New covid cases 187k in UK. Hospitalisation staying static despite massive jump. Two effects higher admissions but shorter stay milder illness meaning balancing out. Deaths actually downward trending. Is there anything you don't understand.???? Pretty clear cut even for you with your limitations.

I'll reduce it to monosyllabic bases. Massive numbers with no discernible change in hospitalisation but with deaths reducing..... when you have such huge numbers it means your sample gravitates to certainty.

 

[SwansProudly]

Up with my long time group in the home of our coach . Scary day as we have a Mother and son positive , the rest of our group have all had negative rapid tests . While waiting for a result i don't think i've ever been that nervous . The positive mum had a seizure and was never tested here or at Albury , absolutely pathetic

Take care.

 

[Kirkswan]

Data doesn' t lie. Data of sufficient sample size usually creates high confidence of same result. And so it does here. The one variable that does vary in our case is that our vaccination percentage will be significantly higher than those other jurisdictions. That will lessen the dangers. Deaths will arise but will be in very low numbers. That is what the data and evidence shows. You can think what you like about the dangers of course but I'll be guided by the evidence.

Rubbish! That's like saying guns don't kill! Of course they don't, its the human handling them kills.

Data is just numbers, and can be manipulated to provide almost any outcome you choose!

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Rubbish! That's like saying guns don't kill! Of course they don't, its the human handling them kills.

Data is just numbers, and can be manipulated to provide almost any outcome you choose!

That's just not true Kirkswan. Data can be interpreted but the limits in which it can are clearly identifiable. And it's obvious when its manipulated. Raw data is just that totally unpolluted. I've spent my whole life doing numbers. This virus isn't deadly. Take that as certain as certain as anyone can say. Sure there will be some deaths but they are people who would die with congestion from a cold. This should be wonderful news but for some reason it's not being received like that. I don't know why, I'm just a messenger

I've been referred to some articles where someone has extrapolated expected outcomes based on some raw data (which they give no link to) and assumptions for forward projections not well stipulated. The conclusions are unverifiable and useless

Quantitative analysis statistical sampling is very much predicated on sample size. If your sample size is large enough recording certain outcomes you can conclude in some cases to almost certainty what the outcome will be in like circumstances. Dr John always uses simple data extracted from government sites for which he provides a link. It is virtually foolproof and as someone engaged from time to time in forensic analysis of accounts numbers I can say it's presentation is extremely authoritative. It's not capable of manipulation without me knowing.

 

[Kirkswan]

If it arose in CHINA as a result of a wet market then it is CHINA that are responsible. If instead it happened in another country with a wet market then THEY are responsible and the world needs to wake up that viruses are passed in this way which coincidentally is likely the non political purpose of the original investigation to demonstrate the risk of wet markets so that they can be eradicated. It doesn't exonerate CHINA simply because it might have occured elsewhere if the habit is a poor one causing disease. Understand? Nothing political in that I'm sorry.

I'm not going to blame India which has wet markets too because it didn't originate there. When it does I will. Hopefully we learn lessons and the practice is stopped.

Coincidentally I also despise CHINA for it's political stand on most things, bullying mindset, autocratic disengagement with the world, human rights abuses, aggressive military engagement but that is separate from culpability for spread of the virus. Had they not been so protectionist and instead cared about human lile this thing could have been stopped early but wasn't as they were too busy engaging in propaganda

Half the world is too busy trying to survive to worry about Covid, or just about anything else. They are trying to feed their children, provide them with clothing and shelter... and coping with the numerous diseases that will kill them. Very difficult to believe that it's not political when you are blaming a political figurehead.

All these things that you are calling China on (bullying mindset, human rights abuses, aggressive military engagement) can all be levelled at the Western World, certainly the USA, England and Australia. And as for autocratic disengagement with the world, I'm pretty sure half the world is praying for the USA (and it's side-kicks) to take up that policy!

By the way, who are you blaming for Polio? Have they apologised yet?

Just stop dude the western world does not eat dogs, cats, bats and Pangolin why the heck do you think these countries along with Africa is the epicenter of new diseases.

What? You think we're better than them because we don't?

The USA and England grew on the back of slavery, and we're a convict camp. England co-opted half the world because it could, and then made them pay taxes!!! (Great work if you can get it... talk about Entrepreneurship!) As a whole, the Western world has gone about subjecting the rest of the world to it's views, it's beliefs, and it's values... and if you don't agree and mend your ways, we'll taken action! Whether it be military, sanctions or propaganda! Oh yeah, we're a great bunch of people...

But those people in China, they're to blame for a virus! A bloody virus!!!

And what are we doing to help these countries? Nothing, nothing at all... did we give them our unused vaccines, no we threw them away.

 

[Kirkswan]

That's just not true Kirkswan. Data can be interpreted but the limits in which it can are clearly identifiable. And it's obvious when its manipulated. Raw data is just that totally unpolluted. I've spent my whole life doing numbers. This virus isn't deadly. Take that as certain as certain as anyone can say. Sure there will be some deaths but they are people who would die with congestion from a cold. This should be wonderful news but for some reason it's not being received like that. I don't know why, I'm just a messenger

I'm sorry Angry, but it is true. Data is just data, and it needs to be interpreted or it's nothing more than numbers on a page. And right there is where the manipulation comes in.

You and whole bunch of others are sprouting the idea that because the current varient is not virulent, but has a high contagion factor, it will out compete all other varients and burn itself out. But this isn't really based on anything but hope.

Anyway, whether or not this version of the virus is deadly, is not what we are talking about. We are talking about whether China is to blame. And, sorry, but I'm done talking about it for today... Have a good one!

 

[Kirkswan]

oh and just liked a boomer you’ll reply thinking the last word is a win. I can hear it now “I won the internet”

That's a bit harsh, lot's of us boomers don't think that way...

 

[Kirkswan]

I'm okay , quite a few are awaiting results , Corowa Hospital is like a sheltered workshop only 10 tests a day and 72 hour results

Hang in there bedford... waiting is a buggar!

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Half the world is too busy trying to survive to worry about Covid, or just about anything else. They are trying to feed their children, provide them with clothing and shelter... and coping with the numerous diseases that will kill them. Very difficult to believe that it's not political when you are blaming a political figurehead.

All these things that you are calling China on (bullying mindset, human rights abuses, aggressive military engagement) can all be levelled at the Western World, certainly the USA, England and Australia. And as for autocratic disengagement with the world, I'm pretty sure half the world is praying for the USA (and it's side-kicks) to take up that policy!

By the way, who are you blaming for Polio? Have they apologised yet?


What? You think we're better than them because we don't?

The USA and England grew on the back of slavery, and we're a convict camp. England co-opted half the world because it could, and then made them pay taxes!!! (Great work if you can get it... talk about Entrepreneurship!) As a whole, the Western world has gone about subjecting the rest of the world to it's views, it's beliefs, and it's values... and if you don't agree and mend your ways, we'll taken action! Whether it be military, sanctions or propaganda! Oh yeah, we're a great bunch of people...

But those people in China, they're to blame for a virus! A bloody virus!!!

And what are we doing to help these countries? Nothing, nothing at all... did we give them our unused vaccines, no we threw them away.

K there are way too many unrelated arguments in that for me to even comment.

At it's Simplist China the Govt failed to deal with wet markets which seemingly was origin. That creates culpability in my mind.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I'm sorry Angry, but it is true. Data is just data, and it needs to be interpreted or it's nothing more than numbers on a page. And right there is where the manipulation comes in.

You and whole bunch of others are sprouting the idea that because the current varient is not virulent, but has a high contagion factor, it will out compete all other varients and burn itself out. But this isn't really based on anything but hope.

Anyway, whether or not this version of the virus is deadly, is not what we are talking about. We are talking about whether China is to blame. And, sorry, but I'm done talking about it for today... Have a good one!

It is outcompeting and there is evidence from data to support it. SA at last count had less than 2% of cases as delta. They do 100% genome sequencing so that 2 % is accurate.

The UK shows a bar graph with ever decreasing numbers for Delta now below 10% and falling. It IS happening.

 

[the hypnotoad]

It is outcompeting and there is evidence from data to support it. SA at last count had less than 2% of cases as delta. They do 100% genome sequencing so that 2 % is accurate.

The UK shows a bar graph with ever decreasing numbers for Delta now below 10% and falling. It IS happening.

if you (or anyone) thinks covid ends with the omicron variant, i admire your optimism ... while so much of the world remains unvaccinated, particularly in the presence of other disease factors, not to mention population density and health systems already failing, the chance of further mutations exists ...

 

[bedford]

Thanks , i'm okay played golf this morning

Hang in there bedford... waiting is a buggar!

 

[Angry Red Bull]

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if you (or anyone) thinks covid ends with the omicron variant, i admire your optimism ... while so much of the world remains unvaccinated, particularly in the presence of other disease factors, not to mention population density and health systems already failing, the chance of further mutations exists ...

You are right. The exact nature of future direction remains unclear. That said omnicron being significantly more transmissible and milder represents our best chance to change the dynamic from pandemic to endemic. At the end of this wave there will be enough background immunity to change things permanently it is hoped. Hence my comment it is an opportunity too. I'm optimistic

Every scenario Ive read seems to suggest that the pandemic phase lasts a few years, that the virus becomes milder and endemic over time with sporadic seasonal outbreaks. Most previous pandemics though we're influenza and not coronavirus. There is some speculation that a pandemic in 1889 was a coronavirus.

I'm an optimist. at heart