Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[Luuuc]

The restrictions have been announced. Nightclubs are out. Dancing at pubs is out. Movies are not. Dunno why you’d think that would change.

Never underestimate the power of Kevin Bacon

 

[Seadog]

He didn’t have to be vaccinated at the time he arrived. Pretty simple

Yeah came in the day before the rules changed for Queensland.

 

[Goroyals22]

quickly got this out to get to fleece some more cash.

 

[Seadog]

Yeah came in the day before the rules changed for Queensland.

Make that an hour before.
Sliding doors moment.

 

[kane249]

quickly got this out to get to fleece some more cash.

Clubs been selling these for ages, was going to get some this week in anticipation for Feb 5th but looks like I've missed the boat now

 

[BrotherDodge]

Kinda relieved I won't have to eat a whole leg ham by myself.

Public health is always a fine balance. It's no good eliminating Covid if the health system collapses from gout sufferers instead.

 

[WCE_phil]

Terrible idea and I hope we never go down this path. From that article:

"The big issue from a medical point of view is that it’s really not ethical or the right thing to do to limit access to healthcare based on people’s previous health choices,” he told Guardian Australia.

“If you follow that same logic, are you going to ask smokers to pay for their healthcare?

“I think it would be a real shame if through this pandemic we lose our compassion, we lose our humanity, and our care for fellow Australians, even if they’ve made choices we think are unwise or incorrect or even completely antisocial.”


All that needs to be said on it imo

Im pretty sure at 60 dollars a pack of 40 smokes (cheap smokes) with about 54 dollars of that tax if a person smokes two packs a week they are definitely paying for their future healthcare. Particularly when combined with the amount of medicare paid on top of that.

I am a smoker and will be doing my utmost to quit by the end of January due to having had major issues with bronchitis when younger and having a pulmonary embolism in the last two years (unrelated to smoking) due to the potential for it to increase the severity of Covid if and when i catch it.

While I don't have current statistics and I know the general rate of smoking has gone down significantly but at the time when I last checked (somewhere around 2006 when i was diagnosed with PTSD) around 90% of major mental illness sufferers smoked.

I can tell you know I have the best medication combination possible for me as well as being both fit (cardio), healthy and maintaining a bodyfat % of between 11-14% however I can take all my medications to a tee and a lot of the time now it is all too much. (hence downscaling and moving to semi-retirement instead of working 70 hours+ a week to try and get rich quick thinking that would make me happy) 1 cigarette provides more relief than my medication when it comes to my anxiety, hypervigilance and PTSD than any and all combinations of medication i've tried. I can also tell you i've tried a lot.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Im pretty sure at 60 dollars a pack of 40 smokes (cheap smokes) with about 54 dollars of that tax if a person smokes two packs a week they are definitely paying for their future healthcare. Particularly when combined with the amount of medicare paid on top of that.

I am a smoker and will be doing my utmost to quit by the end of January due to having had major issues with bronchitis when younger and having a pulmonary embolism in the last two years (unrelated to smoking) due to the potential for it to increase the severity of Covid if and when i catch it.

While I don't have current statistics and I know the general rate of smoking has gone down significantly but at the time when I last checked (somewhere around 2006 when i was diagnosed with PTSD) around 90% of major mental illness sufferers smoked.

I can tell you know I have the best medication combination possible for me as well as being both fit (cardio), healthy and maintaining a bodyfat % of between 11-14% however I can take all my medications to a tee and a lot of the time now it is all too much. (hence downscaling and moving to semi-retirement instead of working 70 hours+ a week to try and get rich quick thinking that would make me happy) 1 cigarette provides more relief than my medication when it comes to my anxiety, hypervigilance and PTSD than any and all combinations of medication i've tried. I can also tell you i've tried a lot.

Most of all congrats on trying to quit, good luck with it.

As I've said, that comment wasn't mine, it was from the president of the AMA. There's probably million other examples he could've used to highlight his point. As Ive also said in another post, an increase in the medicare levy for the unvaxxed is probably closer to the mark than what's being suggested in the article. Leave that shit system to the yanks.

 

[Ishmael_]

Terrible idea and I hope we never go down this path. From that article:

"The big issue from a medical point of view is that it’s really not ethical or the right thing to do to limit access to healthcare based on people’s previous health choices,” he told Guardian Australia.

“If you follow that same logic, are you going to ask smokers to pay for their healthcare?

“I think it would be a real shame if through this pandemic we lose our compassion, we lose our humanity, and our care for fellow Australians, even if they’ve made choices we think are unwise or incorrect or even completely antisocial.”


All that needs to be said on it imo

The cheerleading of these objectively cruel and illiberal ideas by so many 'liberals' and 'progressives' is truly disheartening.

I don't know how you can call something like cashless welfare cards - introduced to prevent purchases of drugs and alcohol - cruel and dehumanising (true), and yet also think proposals such as this are fair and right.

COVID has broken so many brains, no internal consistency, no capacity for understanding. All hammers in search of nails.

 

[EagleEgo]

I was wondering if this guy knew he was positive at the time he cross the border?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I was wondering if this guy knew he was positive at the time he cross the border?

Apparently didn’t begin experiencing symptoms for days.

 

[Seadog]

The cheerleading of these objectively cruel and illiberal ideas by so many 'liberals' and 'progressives' is truly disheartening.

I don't know how you can call something like cashless welfare cards - introduced to prevent purchases of drugs and alcohol - cruel and dehumanising (true), and yet also think proposals such as this are fair and right.

COVID has broken so many brains, no internal consistency, no capacity for understanding. All hammers in search of nails.

Dominic Perrotet is a progressive liberal now! Holey moley.

 

[bzparkes]

I don't know how you can call something like cashless welfare cards - introduced to prevent purchases of drugs and alcohol - cruel and dehumanising (true), and yet also think proposals such as this are fair and right.

 

[Ishmael_]

Dominic Perrotet is a progressive liberal now! Holey moley.

Cute, but does Bob Carr count?

Even a cursory survey of the Guardian's comment section, the NYT editorial pages, or social media more broadly show it's not a niche position.

And frankly I could care less about conservative politicians or columnists, they're austerity hawks and privatisation goons, this is what they do.

 

[Dazzler9]

Cute, but does Bob Carr count?

Even a cursory survey of the Guardian's comment section, the NYT editorial pages, or social media more broadly show it's not a niche position.

And frankly I could care less about conservative politicians or columnists, they're austerity hawks and privatisation goons, this is what they do.

* couldn't

 

[Ochre]

quickly got this out to get to fleece some more cash.

The West Coast Eagles?
A shameless grab for more cash?

Well this is definitely something that's unique to the pandemic and not something that happens every 2 weeks

 

[Ishmael_]

* couldn't

Boooooooo.

In my defence, I was raised in Canada where it's the common way of saying it.

And this is bringing up painful memories of being accused of plagiarism by my year 9 S&E teacher for using 'fall' instead of autumn - an accusation that hurt my little nerd heart and I am clearly not over.

 

[Seadog]

Cute, but does Bob Carr count?

Even a cursory survey of the Guardian's comment section, the NYT editorial pages, or social media more broadly show it's not a niche position.

And frankly I could care less about conservative politicians or columnists, they're austerity hawks and privatisation goons, this is what they do.

The NSW govt is the crowd thinking about making it policy, chatter is hardly as significant.

 

[Seadog]

I can see why some might think that f*#kwits who refuse to protect themselves and others should pay for their folly. I can also see it being the thin end of the wedge for conservative politicians to turn the Australian health system into a US style user pays system. Better off leaving it alone.

 

[ConcreteWaters]

Boooooooo.

In my defence, I was raised in Canada where it's the common way of saying it.

And this is bringing up painful memories of being accused of plagiarism by my year 9 S&E teacher for using 'fall' instead of autumn - an accusation that hurt my little nerd heart and I am clearly not over.

Makes me think of this:

 

[WCE_phil]

The cheerleading of these objectively cruel and illiberal ideas by so many 'liberals' and 'progressives' is truly disheartening.

I don't know how you can call something like cashless welfare cards - introduced to prevent purchases of drugs and alcohol - cruel and dehumanising (true), and yet also think proposals such as this are fair and right.

COVID has broken so many brains, no internal consistency, no capacity for understanding. All hammers in search of nails.

I'm here to tell you as someone who has spent significant amount of time at remote indigenous communities that for them the cashless welfare cards were a huge positive rather than negative. As were places like halls creek being dry towns. The crime rates were slashed, violent and domestic crime in particular. Do I think that all welfare payments should be cashless? No. But there was certainly a place for them.

 

[Doashuey]

I'm here to tell you as someone who has spent significant amount of time at remote indigenous communities that for them the cashless welfare cards were a huge positive rather than negative. As were places like halls creek being dry towns. The crime rates were slashed, violent and domestic crime in particular. Do I think that all welfare payments should be cashless? No. But there was certainly a place for them.

Agree, although it may fly in the face of personal freedoms and reeks of us whities knowing whats best for the black fellas, drastic measures needed to be taken to break the cycle of violence and substance abuse in those communities. Many of the community leaders were big advocates for it. Whilst it may impinge on the freedom of adults to get rip roaring, it at least gave the kids some freedom from being victims of physical and sexual abuse. there really is no silver bullet for fixing the massive and complex problems in those communities but I think the welfare cards were one of the best tools available

 

[Priddis Is Done]

I'm hearing more positive cases overnight

 

[Luuuc]

I'm hearing more positive cases overnight

Same place you heard "Rumours circulating about a lockdown." yesterday, or somewhere vaguely credible?

 

[Chris_6678]

Same place you heard "Rumours circulating about a lockdown." yesterday, or somewhere vaguely credible?