Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)
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Two doctors in that list as well
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You sound like a politician. Just do it because I said it .
If you go by the science these vaccines don't have a very long immune life , then what another booster ?
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Haven't read it, same author?
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If that's what it takes.
Choosing not to believe in it doesn't make the reality different.
It seemed to me that they were more or less resigned to an outbreak occurring sooner rather than later. The aim is to try to slow the spread of it. Getting boosters is part of that strategy. If you don’t get boosted you are gambling that omicron won’t happen here and that you won’t get it. Good luck with that.
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I thought the MAOgowan was pretty good
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Admittedly it's not the best metric for measurement, but more thumbs up, cares and love hearts on the PerthNow Facebook posts than the negative reacts like Angry, Laugh etc
So maybe more people still in favour of this than not? Just a very outspoken vocal minority per the usual
So maybe more people still in favour of this than not? Just a very outspoken vocal minority per the usual
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100763758
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But then wont the exact same problem occur again? People who had their boosters earlier will get their 4ths earlier, and then there won't be enough that have had 4 doses so it'll be too dangerous to open up....and so on....
This is what I don't get. What's the plan?
Get a couple million people boosted in a month or so and the try and thread the needle by opening up at the exact right time of most protection?
Also, why has WA's 2nd dose vaccination rate lagged so far behind? Why hasn't the state government beefed up the health department when he's had 2 years to do so with little to no COVID to deal with?
Much easier to close the borders and kick the can along.
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Honestly the real problem is the vaccines are from what 3 variations of the virus ago ( SA , Delta , omicron ) there is really not data to say how effective they still are . The UK health has basically come out and said the vaccines don't stop breakthrough cases of omicron .
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The omicron Pfizer vaccine might be widely available in the middle of the year.
Not that I see us holding the borders closed that long
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Vaccines however do slow it down, we know this.
We cannot predict variants so it can only be reactive, but Pfizer (and maybe others) are claiming they can deliver new vaccines within 100 days of appearance of a new variant - they are already planning to ship omicron vaccines in March.
We have data on how the older vaccines are dealing with omicron - yes, only about a month old, but we don't need a scientist or longer time frames to see the extremely high hospitalisation and ICU numbers over east, the massive disruptions to supply chains, and now unfortunately the record number of COVID deaths nationwide topping even the worst days during alpha, when we didn't have any vaccines available. Personally, I think this could have been handled better (eg nominating a new date in early March to give time and incentive to boost) but the principle is sound. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I doubt it is a small minority. I feel greater than 50% are OK with delay but a reasonable % is livid (60/40, 70/30?). I am pissed but two of my Labor voting mates (both work for unions) are furious with McGowan. This is the first time they've ever criticised him.
The real kicker for me is that they don't have a new date. They are living in some kind fantasy, where they think case numbers will drop and we won't get an outbreak. It doesnt work like that with Omicron, it starts small and spreads big.
The vaccines won't make a difference unless everyone gets a booster in the next month. I am feeling absolutely cheated, as I got mine this week, but the things only give you Max protection against it for 10 weeks. Mine will likely be wearing low by the time we open.
Maybe all this angst is for nothing, as we already have un-traced omicron spreading. It could be a full outbreak by the end of Feb.
From your article
I'd want my booster to be at it's most effective when the odds are greatest that I will come into contact with Covid.
Yeah seems like that strategy is going great in Israel where they're onto their 4th shots and having by far their biggest outbreak yet
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Fairly big ratio in favour, about 75%. Would be interesting to see an official poll on it
Massive cash grab imo. Incredibly low hospitalisation/death rate so the only thing it will be targeting is spread which If previous iterations are anything to go by, vaccines aren't very good at stopping - at or below the protection that a recent case of COVID gives you and existing vaccines/boosters already offer protection against severe cases.
By the time it comes to market there will likely already be another less harmful variant that is dominant and community transmission will mean that the r0 value will have gone down already - which is the only part of Omicron that is actually worrisome.
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UK report suggests booster effectiveness against symptomatic omicron decreases within 10 weeks
A United Kingdom Health Security Agency report published on Thursday suggests that the effectiveness of the COVID-19 booster against symptomatic infections of the omicron variant wanes within …
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Among those who received a Pfizer primary course, vaccine effectiveness was around 70% after a Pfizer booster, dropping to 45% after 10-plus weeks and stayed around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster," the report said of that data.
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It is a very hard one to gauge.
Personally I was fine with keeping Feb 5th, but on the other hand you do see what's happening over East with the impact on their lives.
Heck you had our esteemed leader ScoMo today proposing high school kids drive forklifts to help ease the supply chain issues the country is facing
McGowan was in a lose-lose situation today, advice given to him made him chose what he thought was the lesser of two evils.
Is it the right call? Time will tell, I'm just glad I'm not in that position because you are on a hiding to nothing with everything going on
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Yeah, wow, look how those cases have spiked up with Omicron and look at those deaths. Boy the joke is really on them being vaccinated hey.Yeah seems like that strategy is going great in Israel where they're onto their 4th shots and having by far their biggest outbreak yet
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UK report suggests booster effectiveness against symptomatic omicron decreases within 10 weeks
A United Kingdom Health Security Agency report published on Thursday suggests that the effectiveness of the COVID-19 booster against symptomatic infections of the omicron variant wanes within …
Among those who received a Pfizer primary course, vaccine effectiveness was around 70% after a Pfizer booster, dropping to 45% after 10-plus weeks and stayed around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster," the report said of that data.
I don't think there is any doubt a booster markedly increased your protection against omicron - the debate is for how long and how much. Still isn't an argument against getting boosted.
I'm just hoping pi is more innocuous and covered by our current vaccines.
Anyway, been an interesting last three hours, this thread has certainly spiked up. I appreciate the mostly civil posting tbh in this thread, far better than the cesspool outside on other forums. Time to visit a 'massage parlour' now that I'm boosted and I cannot visit my preferred 'massage parlour' in Thailand any time soon. Stay safe folks.
Ya really cant fix dum ****Early nomination for a Darwin Award
Anti-vax singer dies of COVID-19 after intentionally catching virus
The folk singer wanted COVID to get a health pass that would have allowed her access to a sauna and theatre. Instead, she paid with her life.7news.com.au
Get your jabs, folks!
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