Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[Luuuc]

Ya really cant fix dum fu**

Humans are on a constant mission to fight it, but natural selection always finds a way of improving the gene pool

 

[Godfather32]

Massive cash grab imo. Incredibly low hospitalisation/death rate so the only thing it will be targeting is spread which If previous iterations are anything to go by, vaccines aren't very good at stopping - at or below the protection that a recent case of COVID gives you and existing vaccines/boosters already offer protection against severe cases.

By the time it comes to market there will likely already be another less harmful variant that is dominant and community transmission will mean that the r0 value will have gone down already - which is the only part of Omicron that is actually worrisome.

Possibly, personally I'd be happy having another booster if the science checks out. I'm not keen on getting any version of covid.
I know plenty of people have probably reached their booster limit at this one though.

 

[Luuuc]

Possibly, personally I'd be happy having another booster if the science checks out. I'm not keen on getting any version of covid.
I know plenty of people have probably reached their booster limit at this one though.

If the science checks out, then #4 will be a good solid test of just how "First world problems" a person is.
I must remember to tune up my tiny violin in preparation for anyone who can no longer deal with taking an hour out of their day to receive a free vaccine.

 

[Ishmael_]

Possibly, personally I'd be happy having another booster if the science checks out. I'm not keen on getting any version of covid.
I know plenty of people have probably reached their booster limit at this one though.

Sure thing mate and that's your prerogative, unfortunately I think you will get it eventually, but fortunately it shouldn't be that bad because it's getting milder by the day.

None of this is idealogical for me, I just think policy should make sense. And similarly a company like Pfizer who has been engaging in rampant profiteering during this pandemic shouldn't be taken at face value.

 

[kane249]

The only reason mine took an hour was driving to get my DQP after.

Otherwise I was in and out of the chemist in 20-25 mins which included the mandatory 15 minute wait time

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Yeah, wow, look how those cases have spiked up with Omicron and look at those deaths. Boy the joke is really on them being vaccinated hey.

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Wow Israel looks almost the same as south Africa who is less than 50% double vax no boosters .

Maybe its just that omicron is far more transmissible but much less deadly ?

 

[Forward Press]

Sure thing mate and that's your prerogative, unfortunately I think you will get it eventually, but fortunately it shouldn't be that bad because it's getting milder by the day.

None of this is idealogical for me, I just think policy should make sense. And similarly a company like Pfizer who has been engaging in rampant profiteering during this pandemic shouldn't be taken at face value.

Just because pharmaceutical companies have been making a killing during the pandemic (and Sorbent, and UberEats, and Netflix etc) does not mean COVID does not exist or that vaccines are not effective. Think of the global conspiracy that would be needed for Pfizer to produce a vaccine that is actually a dud but Pfizer insists it isn't and everyone believes it. Not sure I like your line of thinking in that last paragraph.

 

[Luuuc]

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Wow Israel looks almost the same as south Africa who is less than 50% double vax no boosters .

Maybe its just that omicron is far more transmissible but much less deadly ?

Maybe you might want to read the numbers on the respective y-axes of those graphs before saying they look almost the same.

 

[Ishmael_]

Just because pharmaceutical companies have been making a killing during the pandemic (and Sorbent, and UberEats, and Netflix etc) does not mean COVID does not exist or that vaccines are not effective. Think of the global conspiracy that would be needed for Pfizer to produce a vaccine that is actually a dud but Pfizer insists it isn't and everyone believes it. Not sure I like your line of thinking in that last paragraph.

Yes and companies have been price gouging and blaming it on inflation. These are not conspiracies, just profit incentives.

But my point was not that Pfizer will make a vaccine that does nothing. My point was that they will continue to push never ending boosters or a new vaccine that will not be necessary when it is launched.

When the initial spread has peaked, transmissibility goes down and everyone has had it, it will be an endemic disease with a similar hospitalisation and mortality rate as the flu (Omicron and even less for future weaker variants) and at that point we will not need to continue with boosters - but companies like Pfizer will undoubtedly continue to push them.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Maybe you might want to read the numbers on the respective y-axes of those graphs before saying they look almost the same.

I see your point but I highly doubt the SA cases were that low and accurate but Israel would be highly accurate.

But I will agree on those graphs Israel is much better .

But the point remains and both graphs prove that omicron is much milder than delta

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Yes and companies have been price gouging and blaming it on inflation. These are not conspiracies, just profit incentives.

But my point was not that Pfizer will make a vaccine that does nothing. My point was that they will continue to push never ending boosters or a new vaccine that will not be necessary when it is launched.

When the initial spread has peaked, transmissibility goes down and everyone has had it, it will be an endemic disease with a similar hospitalisation and mortality rate as the flu (Omicron and even less for future weaker variants) and at that point we will not need to continue with boosters - but companies like Pfizer will undoubtedly continue to push them.

That's all I'm saying.

Don't say it is like the flu you will trigger so many people on this thread

 

[Ishmael_]

Don't say it is like the flu you will trigger so many people on this thread

I would understand that if we were talking about 2020 COVID or even Delta, but Omicron is completely different.

The only reason it's still worrying is because it has or initially had an r0 of something like 5 whereas the flu is <1 - 2.

If the flu was similarly transmissible we would have the same problem.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Feel sorry for any Western Australian that has family In a different state that they haven’t seen for a few years.

True. Bizarre night at a regional pub trying to watch a wet T-shirt contest as the missus starts crying because she’s opened FB and the two year wait to see her sister continues.

Needless to say, I got a few accusatory glances at being ‘that guy’ (the contest was her idea too fwiw).

 

[omgfridge]

I know we're all pretty annoyed but can we also take a minute to curse the panic buyers?

My local shop had all the dog roll bought out. I mean stuff anyone else who wants to feed their dog right?

And like are these people buying extra fridges just to store dog sausage?

 

[NYRB]

Just tuned into this thread , so what does that mean for West Coast and Freo fans?

I know Glory and most likely Wildcats will be screwed going ahead having to play the majority of their fixtures on the East Coast now.

 

[Keys]

True. Bizarre night at a regional pub trying to watch a wet T-shirt contest as the missus starts crying because she’s opened FB and the two year wait to see her sister continues.

Needless to say, I got a few accusatory glances at being ‘that guy’ (the contest was her idea too fwiw).

So how was the Roey?

 

[kane249]

True. Bizarre night at a regional pub trying to watch a wet T-shirt contest as the missus starts crying because she’s opened FB and the two year wait to see her sister continues.

Needless to say, I got a few accusatory glances at being ‘that guy’ (the contest was her idea too fwiw).

Did you at least win?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

So how was the Roey?

Not a bad crowd actually!

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Did you at least win?

Missus cost me 750 bucks. At least that’s what I told her (she didn’t see the funny side…) - so much for empowerment!

 

[schmuttt]

Sure and I do sympathise, but you have to weigh that up against the extra lives this will likely save and the fact that less people will have to go through the experience of seeing their relative dying.
It's a shitty situation and everyone has their own life to live but like it or not there is a very real cost to just opening to borders to all and sundry. It might not cost you directly but this decision has potentially prevented a lot of people from paying that price.

You going to lock down forever then? Because Omicron isn't going away whether people like it or not. Before I get pegged as a right wing nutter I've supported labor my whole life, but it is clear the approach being taken in the eastern states is what is required now.

We came to Australia when I was 3 . My relatives couldn't even afford to come visit Couldnt even afford a phone call. I never saw my Grandparents again they died too poor to holiday other side of the world . I don't know my cousins . At least these days you have facetime. Do you feel sorry for me I don't. . I and my family dealt with it . Society today is way to entitled and you want thousands to die so your family can holiday .

I have no skin in this game at all, I don’t holiday in WA. COVID is coming into WA eventually regardless of what happens with the border, ‘thousands dying’ is happening regardless.

 

[Free Agent]

I live in Victoria now but am pretty pissed with the WA Gov decided to close border's again. Mostly because what this means if he continues to do that is it will hurt our season. WA sides will be the only sides that will have to hub interstate. Most likely now will have to play home games elsewhere. They just screwed up our advantage of home games and time will tell what damage it will do to our end of season when that happens.

Everyone's pretty much double vaxed now. Do feel sorry for you guys. We need freedom and businesses open
It's just time we live with this virus and move forward. Lockdown doesn't work anymore. Poor decision this.

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[Wosh]

My whole family is booked in for boosters within the next week or 2 but it‘s late, everyone has Omicron now or is a contact. I’ve had very close contact with 2 family members who tested positive a day or 2 later. Both sisters, all the kids, hubby (he’s actually working in S. Africa, got there 2 weeks before Omicron hit, he’s due to fly home on Sunday if he passes all the tests) extended family, daughters BF. I was the first one to get boosted and I’m the only one who hasn’t got Omicron. Yet.

We might be open over here but we are crippled, there just arn’t enough workers…everyone is isolating. Lots of people are pretty sick too, especially those with underlying conditions like my daughters friend with asthma really got hit hard. People with heart conditions, cancer, compromised immune systems, diabetes etc can still get hit pretty hard by Omicron…the biggest issue when you talk to someone who has had it seems to be ongoing fatigue.

Get the booster, it does help and don’t be scared of it, a day or 2 with a sore arm and life goes on. I got mine on the 5th Jan and I’m still standing while around me everyone is dropping like flies! I’m staying home and tested myself twice this week.
The rest if the family have rescheduled their booster while they recover.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Just tuned into this thread , so what does that mean for West Coast and Freo fans?

I know Glory and most likely Wildcats will be screwed going ahead having to play the majority of their fixtures on the East Coast now.

The Wildcats are the only one of the four I'd back to actually be able to still win it, but it might be a bridge too far even for them.

It's the least excited I've ever been for an AFL season.

 

[Goroyals22]

The Wildcats are the only one of the four I'd back to actually be able to still win it, but it might be a bridge too far even for them.

It's the least excited I've ever been for an AFL season.

It would be interesting if some one like kennedy decided f this I’m retiring due to his family and business interests and you couldn’t blame him.

 

[amazingjoshy]

I know we're all pretty annoyed but can we also take a minute to curse the panic buyers?

My local shop had all the dog roll bought out. I mean stuff anyone else who wants to feed their dog right?

And like are these people buying extra fridges just to store dog sausage?

My guess is it's mostly the "thAnKs foR keEpiNg uS saFe StaTE daDdy" crew, that think everyone's going to drop dead in the street if a dirty easterner is let in. They might be able to relax a bit now.