Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

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My cousin and her hubby will return from NSW soon as they have a GTG pass cos they live here . They have to quarantine in their own house 14 days . They don't see it as a big deal , at least they aren't complaining on Facebook on our family page . My 6 bro's and sis. Plus there spouses all support McGowans new plan ( whatever it will be )
 
Don't forget the arts. McGowan has singlehandedly decimated that industry and for many, it's just as important as sport.
It's laughable to say "McGowan singlehandedly decimated the arts industry" considering that the pandemic has made touring extremely difficult for bands all around the world, certainly all around Australia. The Byron Bay blues fest, Splendour in the Grass, Groovin the Moo, and the Falls Festival were all cancelled two years in a row; shall we blame McGowan singlehandedly for those major Australian music festivals not going ahead in states like New South Wales and Queensland?
 
Which thread can I bash mask mcgowan in?

What a tosser

No doubt we have another strain and need our 2nd booster before we open.

Can someone explain to him that this isn't going away and we look like ******* cavemen?
Yes much more civilised to let 'er rip like the United States and let a million people die.

This caveman went to the gym 3 times this week, went to a quiz night, went to a crowded pub late arvo today, and am having about 20 mates over tomorrow. Sure is rough living in this cave, doing things that people in many states in Australia are not allowed to do.
 

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It's laughable to say "McGowan singlehandedly decimated the arts industry" considering that the pandemic has made touring extremely difficult for bands all around the world, certainly all around Australia. The Byron Bay blues fest, Splendour in the Grass, Groovin the Moo, and the Falls Festival were all cancelled two years in a row; shall we blame McGowan singlehandedly for those major Australian music festivals not going ahead in states like New South Wales and Queensland?

The ones that moaned our tough border stance saw us lose the 2020 AFL Grand Final all shut up when we hosted it the next year. Fringe has managed to take place for the past two years (albeit with a bit of luck and no international acts, granted) - isn't that one of the world's biggest comedy festivals?

It would be funny if it wasn't a sad reflection of opposition based on politics rather than logic.
 
Yes much more civilised to let 'er rip like the United States and let a million people die.

This caveman went to the gym 3 times this week, went to a quiz night, went to a crowded pub late arvo today, and am having about 20 mates over tomorrow. Sure is rough living in this cave, doing things that people in many states in Australia are not allowed to do.
Everywhere else is living like that now....

We are delaying the inevitable. Do you think it's just going to to skip us?
 
Everywhere else is living like that now....

We are delaying the inevitable. Do you think it's just going to to skip us?
Buying more time gets more jabs and boosters into arms and more doctors and nurses into the system. If you think that's not a worthwhile goal, especially given what we are seeing in real time where 'let it rip' is taking place, that's your opinion.

I don't think anyone has ever said we can avoid it forever, we all know COVID is inevitable. It does not mean you give up and let it go through everyone with no mitigation or control.
 
Buying more time gets more jabs and boosters into arms and more doctors and nurses into the system. If you think that's not a worthwhile goal, especially given what we are seeing in real time where 'let it rip' is taking place, that's your opinion.

I don't think anyone has ever said we can avoid it forever.
I'd argue that the immune deficient are the first to get booster shots, the first to need another booster, and so on and so forth.

It's a perpetual cycle with no end point at the moment.
 
Buying more time gets more jabs and boosters into arms and more doctors and nurses into the system. If you think that's not a worthwhile goal, especially given what we are seeing in real time where 'let it rip' is taking place, that's your opinion.

I don't think anyone has ever said we can avoid it forever, we all know COVID is inevitable. It does not mean you give up and let it go through everyone with no mitigation or control.
Ps where are the doctors and nurses coming from? The borders are shut...

Are we pushing unqualified people through in the next couple of months?
 
Everywhere else is living like that now....

We are delaying the inevitable. Do you think it's just going to to skip us?
In South Australia indoor hospitality venues are capped at 1/4 capacity, outdoor at 1/2 capacity, indoor fitness classes at 1/7 capacity, cops are driving ambulances, dancing is banned except at weddings, and many clinics and non-urgent surgeries have been cancelled. And gatherings at private residences are capped at 10 people.

On the bright side, there's a decent chance that if you have a heart attack in South Australia you might get to drive yourself to the hospital, so that's exciting.
 
In South Australia indoor hospitality venues are capped at 1/4 capacity, outdoor at 1/2 capacity, indoor fitness classes at 1/7 capacity, cops are driving ambulances, dancing is banned except at weddings, and many clinics and non-urgent surgeries have been cancelled. And gatherings at private residences are capped at 10 people.

On the bright side, there's a decent chance that if you have a heart attack in South Australia you might get to drive yourself to the hospital, so that's exciting.
So when would you recommend we get this over and done with?

That will happen here.

Are you happy with another 2 years isolation?
4 years?

What's the plan?
 
Exemption for skilled labour isn't there? Probably recruiting overseas like we have been doing for cops, nurses and doctors for ages.
Omg

We have had the HARDEST time getting a bloke over on a visa to fill a role.

Lawyers etc.... it's not that easy trust me
 
Ps where are the doctors and nurses coming from? The borders are shut...

Are we pushing unqualified people through in the next couple of months?

There are programs to fast track health care staff from the UK but we have to bear in mind that we aren't the only jurisdiction that wants more doctors and nurses - we traditionally got a lot from India, Philippines etc but obviously they are a lot harder to come by since 2020.

They have always been easily able to get in at any time before and during COVID under skilled/essential worker categories, so I don't know why you think Australia's/Western Australia's border policy would affect that.

So when would you recommend we get this over and done with?

That will happen here.

Are you happy with another 2 years isolation?
4 years?

What's the plan?

I would dearly like a plan but as with everything COVID the past two years we're going to have to play it by ear yet again.

I'd argue that the immune deficient are the first to get booster shots, the first to need another booster, and so on and so forth.

It's a perpetual cycle with no end point at the moment.

If the scientific advice from the experts and government listen to that advice and tell us to boost up again, then I'll happily boost up again. I'm not the expert but some people think they are.
 

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There are programs to fast track health care staff from the UK but we have to bear in mind that we aren't the only jurisdiction that wants more doctors and nurses - we traditionally got a lot from India, Philippines etc but obviously they are a lot harder to come by since 2020.

They have always been easily able to get in at any time before and during COVID under skilled/essential worker categories, so I don't know why you think Australia's/Western Australia's border policy would affect that.



I would dearly like a plan but as with everything COVID the past two years we're going to have to play it by ear yet again.



If the scientific advice from the experts and government listen to that advice and tell us to boost up again, then I'll happily boost up again. I'm not the expert but some people think they are.
I'm booked in for my booster. I'm just sick of jumping through hoops for mcgowan.

The hospitals aren't ready to deal with this.... 2 years down the track. Mark brags about this budget surplus but can't fund the hospitals enough to deal with the global pandemic.

One trick pony is correct and it's getting tiresome.
 
I'm booked in for my booster. I'm just sick of jumping through hoops for mcgowan.

The hospitals aren't ready to deal with this.... 2 years down the track. Mark brags about this budget surplus but can't fund the hospitals enough to deal with the global pandemic.

One trick pony is correct and it's getting tiresome.

There's plenty of beds but there are no staff. It is well acknowledged that's where the bottleneck is - ask anyone you know in the medical field. ICU itself is a different beast - each bed needs a dedicated and specially trained ICU nurse at a one to one ratio. And ICU is where the unvaccinated are more likely to end up.

It takes years (if not a decade) to train doctors and nurses properly. Two years really is not that long - if we still have a shortage of nurses in 2025 you are entitled to ask that question again.
 
There's plenty of beds but there are no staff. It is well acknowledged that's where the bottleneck is - ask anyone you know in the medical field.

It takes years (if not a decade) to train doctors and nurses properly. Two years really is not that long - if we still have a shortage of nurses in 2025 you are entitled to ask that question again.
So I should chill till 2025?

Ur kidding.

Do you actually know anyone affected by this bs?

My grandmother just died but I couldn't go to the funeral because I might have got locked out of the state from my 3yo and newborn.

I've just been to a funeral where none of the relatives could come over and say goodbye to their 36yo daughter and sister who died from leukaemia
 
So when would you recommend we get this over and done with?

That will happen here.

Are you happy with another 2 years isolation?
4 years?

What's the plan?
Well if you had actually listened to the words that were said during yesterday's press conference (note: there was no discussion of another 2 or 4 years of isolation), the plan which was released in November was to reopen on the 5th of February, but Omicron has turned up and infections, hospitalizations and deaths in Australia (and globally) have all skyrocketed. Additionally the state is also now experiencing some community transmission for basically the first time since April 2020. And it's Omicron so it's probably going to get worse. People in the health department believe that the state government believes that the current outbreak will not be eradicated, so they want it to grow as slowly and organically as possible, rather than getting 3 weeks into significant community transmission and then also introducing tens of thousands of visitors a day from Covid hotspots to come in without any quarantine requirements. Not reopening for a month or two also allows them to get booster numbers and youth vaccinations up; it's quite clear from the research that even with some waning impact of the booster over time, having had three jabs is still much better than having had two when it comes to staving off severe infection (i.e., the type of infection that puts demand on hospital and ambulance services).

As someone who is married to a health care worker, I can also say that there is a significant learning curve when it comes to dealing with Covid in the hospitals. There's been so little Covid here and while doctors, nurses, reception staff, orderlies, etc can do all the online training modules that they want, that's not the same as dealing with Covid in real life. Getting into and out of PPE several times a day is something they're not used to doing, and as the weeks and months go by, they'll get more efficient and effective at doing this. It's much better for our health workers, paramedics, ambulance drivers, etc if Covid grows steadily than if there is a massive surge that nobody is physically or mentally prepared to handle.
 
I'm booked in for my booster. I'm just sick of jumping through hoops for mcgowan.

The hospitals aren't ready to deal with this.... 2 years down the track. Mark brags about this budget surplus but can't fund the hospitals enough to deal with the global pandemic.

One trick pony is correct and it's getting tiresome.
9 Covid deaths and more or less normal life since the pandemic started versus hundreds of thousands of deaths in the UK and US and months-long lockdowns and more deaths in places like NSW and Vic? Pretty damn good trick, if that's the only one he's got.
 
Well if you had actually listened to the words that were said during yesterday's press conference (note: there was no discussion of another 2 or 4 years of isolation), the plan which was released in November was to reopen on the 5th of February, but Omicron has turned up and infections, hospitalizations and deaths in Australia (and globally) have all skyrocketed. Additionally the state is also now experiencing some community transmission for basically the first time since April 2020. And it's Omicron so it's probably going to get worse. People in the health department believe that the state government believes that the current outbreak will not be eradicated, so they want it to grow as slowly and organically as possible, rather than getting 3 weeks into significant community transmission and then also introducing tens of thousands of visitors a day from Covid hotspots to come in without any quarantine requirements. Not reopening for a month or two also allows them to get booster numbers and youth vaccinations up; it's quite clear from the research that even with some waning impact of the booster over time, having had three jabs is still much better than having had two when it comes to staving off severe infection (i.e., the type of infection that puts demand on hospital and ambulance services).

As someone who is married to a health care worker, I can also say that there is a significant learning curve when it comes to dealing with Covid in the hospitals. There's been so little Covid here and while doctors, nurses, reception staff, orderlies, etc can do all the online training modules that they want, that's not the same as dealing with Covid in real life. Getting into and out of PPE several times a day is something they're not used to doing, and as the weeks and months go by, they'll get more efficient and effective at doing this. It's much better for our health workers, paramedics, ambulance drivers, etc if Covid grows steadily than if there is a massive surge that nobody is physically or mentally prepared to handle.
Yeah I listened, wasn't convinced.... he's posturing. But I never voted for him coz I'm not part of the herd.
 
So I should chill till 2025?

Ur kidding.

Do you actually know anyone affected by this bs?

My grandmother just died but I couldn't go to the funeral because I might have got locked out of the state from my 3yo and newborn.

I've just been to a funeral where none of the relatives could come over and say goodbye to their 36yo daughter and sister who died from leukaemia

I've had family friends, and direct family of friends die from COVID, so I hope you'll forgive my point of view and spare me the lecture.
 
I've had family friends, and direct family of friends die from COVID, so I hope you'll forgive my point of view and spare me the lecture.
Yeah, pretty much everyone has been impacted except for people who live in WA and don't know anybody who lives in any other part of the country or the world. My uncle died 2 months ago and I obviously couldn't go to the funeral. My wife had our first child a month ago and my parents and her mum can't come over right now to meet their first grandchild. It sucks, but it's inarguable that the travel restrictions have protected Australia (and West Australians) from a lot of the death and severe illness that have plagued countries across much of the rest of the world. I'd like to think that my uncle or the 36 year old who died from leukaemia would understand the absences at their funerals rather than wanting to pack in as many people from interstate so that the virus can just get out and kill more people (which frankly would not be a great way to memorialize your loved one).
 
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