Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[Biggie]

Major changes to Australia’s COVID testing rules

The new rule comes days after Australia’s deadliest day of the pandemic, with 88 virus-related fatalities reported across the country.

7news.com.au

 

[the harry]

This sky news youtube clip will undoubtedly provide insight and facts that are previously uncovered.

Most small businesses fail. How many would have gone under without covid?

 

[Luuuc]

BTW freo hospital is old and sh*t

Yes it sure is.
So is King Eddies. Which is why it is next in line to be replaced (and has been next in line for years now ... long pre-dating Covid)

There's more to improving the health system than just building another hospital, but as others have said just building hospitals is a huge planning & construction process. I was involved in Fiona Stanley and that thing dragged out seemingly forever compared to the mining work I was used to doing. And I kinda get it, because it's like designing a small city, it's not just copy & paste another mining plant. Just under $2 billion, and that's if it stays on budget, which there is a 0% chance of.

Ultimately I think the problem is just as much about people anyway, and people are hard to get during a pandemic. And I think everywhere is going to be short on people because the population is big and it is ageing more quickly than the budget is growing.

 

[Luuuc]

This sky news youtube clip will undoubtedly provide insight and facts that are previously uncovered.

Most small businesses fail. How many would have gone under without covid?

Ahh, the old "Did it die OF Covid, or die WITH Covid?" question.

 

[boondy]

I'm glad for you and them that they can afford to do the quarantine

If you can't pay you don't play

 

[boondy]

Ahh, the old "Did it die OF Covid, or die WITH Covid?" question.

2/3 of people are fat/obese they died of fat and COVID

 

[boondy]

This sky news youtube clip will undoubtedly provide insight and facts that are previously uncovered.

Most small businesses fail. How many would have gone under without covid?

COVID has nothing to do with businesses failing surely everyone is vaxxed .

 

[DanWCE]

Yes it sure is.
So is King Eddies. Which is why it is next in line to be replaced (and has been next in line for years now ... long pre-dating Covid)

There's more to improving the health system than just building another hospital, but as others have said just building hospitals is a huge planning & construction process. I was involved in Fiona Stanley and that thing dragged out seemingly forever compared to the mining work I was used to doing. And I kinda get it, because it's like designing a small city, it's not just copy & paste another mining plant. Just under $2 billion, and that's if it stays on budget, which there is a 0% chance of.

Ultimately I think the problem is just as much about people anyway, and people are hard to get during a pandemic. And I think everywhere is going to be short on people because the population is big and it is ageing more quickly than the budget is growing.

If a new hospital was green lit at the moment, or in the past 12 months, it would need to come with border loop holes for labour, which would be risky to the Govt for backlash.

There's not enough man power or material at the moment, and the latter is a nationwide problem. One of my suppliers has forecast 30% of projects constructed this year will not be able to source any thermal or acoustic insulation. At all. Not just from them, but from anyone.

When Fiona Stanley was built, Boral won the plasterboard supply and basically turned off the tap to supplying any other projects. Manufacturers are already approaching capacity for these items so a large hospital would be hit with huge delays - or they're passed on to the residential boom (which we can't afford to delay because we need rentals for all the labour to build the hospital).

I keep saying it, but I do not envy the state or federal governments. What a few years to navigate through.

 

[Trouto]

The problem i have with McGowan's 'Covid Plan' is that he makes plans for a strain of the virus like its the permanent one that we will be experiencing for years to come.

It doesnt work like this. these types of SARS viruses mutate seasonally, and we are seeing about a 6-month turn around (give or take) on the dominant strain at the time. His delaying and posturing about Omricon being a game changer etc is just crap. He says he set the health system up to deal with the Delta Strain and when Omricon came it changed everything. This should be taken with a hefty serve of skepticism. His medical advisors will most definitely tell him that the current strain will be temporary and long-term planning for it is pointless.

So why does he do it? My thoughts are that they actually wont be able to come up with a plan like he is saying. He knows if he opens the borders and says "let her rip" the system will be overloaded and people will die. So he is sacrificing things to avoid it happening. Movement of people, freedoms etc have been curtailed and the economy has been hit. In WA though, because we are primarily a mining and agriculture economy, we are in a much better position than most other regions around the globe.

All of this can be done without the vaccine mandate though. that is primarily done to show that the Government is doing something positive of some crap. If we never open (i feel that McGowan will keep this status we have on movement restriction for quite a while) then we dont need the vaccine at all, seeing as it doesnt work on the newest strain of the virus. And i know plenty of you are going to bang on about the blessed booster, but in a few months when the virus mutates again, we will return to this position.

 

[ziad]

COVID has nothing to do with businesses failing surely everyone is vaxxed .

Thants BF level thinking I am afraid

 

[larrikin]

There's about to be plenty of experienced doctors and nurses available from the NHS over the next couple of months if they don't reverse their current policy. Although WA probably won't want them because demonising the unvaccinated is more important than resourcing their health system.

If I'm reading this correctly and you are suggesting we bring in unvaccinated doctors and nurses that would be a hard pass from me.

 

[Biggie]

Anyone see Josh Inglis post?

 

[Dazzler9]

Anyone see Josh Inglis post?

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Sure did. Bit extreme.

 

[MrKK]

If I'm reading this correctly and you are suggesting we bring in unvaccinated doctors and nurses that would be a hard pass from me.

Why? They've been OK to work through 2 years of the pandemic and were not considered a risk until now. Most of them would've had Covid already, probably more than once.

 

[Forward Press]

Was this the guy that was considered in contention to take the gloves for the Australian Test team?

Bullet dodged if so.

 

[Balls In]

From the West Australian fact check. Hospitalisations across Australia peaked at a little over 5000 but actually averaged 3600 for January. So taking even McGowan's most dire take, WA with less than 10% of the population cannot handle even 500 hospitalisations?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Why do people keep repeating the false claim that the current vaccines don't work against Omicron? They might not be as effective as they were against Delta and previous strains, but the stats clearly show that as a proportion, the unvaxxed make up the majority of those in ICU/dying.

Which kinda suggests they do work.

 

[Forward Press]

Why? They've been OK to work through 2 years of the pandemic and were not considered a risk until now. Most of them would've had Covid already, probably more than once.

I'm not one of those that believe infection provides stronger antibodies than vaccination and thus you don't need to vaccinate. If you are, all power to you, but I vehemently disagree with your position.

There is also the principle of the matter which again I strongly support - no jab, no entry.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Why do people keep repeating the false claim that the current vaccines don't work against Omicron? They might not be as effective as they were against Delta and previous strains, but the stats clearly show that as a proportion, the unvaxxed make up the majority of those in ICU/dying.

Which kinda suggests they do work.

And once again before someone asks "WHERE'S YOUR MAFFS???"

Australia has had its deadliest day yet of the pandemic – here’s what we know about who is dying

As the nation reaches the deadliest stage of the entire coronavirus pandemic, the protective effects of the vaccine remain clear

www.theguardian.com

And based on more recent cases:

Therefore the chances of dying are:
11 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 695k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 225k

12 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 480k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 55k

13 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 445k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 55k

14 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 330k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 45k

15 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 390k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 115k

16 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 445k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 75k

 

[Forward Press]

From the West Australian fact check. Hospitalisations across Australia peaked at a little over 5000 but actually averaged 3600 for January. So taking even McGowan's most dire take, WA with less than 10% of the population cannot handle even 500 hospitalisations?

I am not surprised you and Goroyals read The West, much less pay for a subscription and peruse the opinion pieces for guidance.

The 500 hospitalisations would be on top of the normal hospitalisations we already have, which we both know the WA health system already struggles with at times. Part of the problem also is that it's easy to buy 500 beds and the equipment for it - the limiting factors are the staff to monitor them.

 

[Balls In]

McGowan "the local AMA supports this measure "
WA based AMA president "we don't support this measure.."

 

[Dazzler9]

Was this the guy that was considered in contention to take the gloves for the Australian Test team?

Bullet dodged if so.

I suspect he will now have limited opportunities to represent Australia. CA would take a very dim view of that sort of post.

 

[larrikin]

Why? They've been OK to work through 2 years of the pandemic and were not considered a risk until now. Most of them would've had Covid already, probably more than once.

Ummm.... because I don't want people taking medical advice from "professionals" who don't follow the agreed protocols for dealing with a global pandemic???

 

[Dazzler9]

McGowan "the local AMA supports this measure "
WA based AMA president "we don't support this measure.."

The AMA's position has been all over the place, in fairness. Up until the announcement, they were calling for the borders to remain shut. Now they have backflipped.

 

[Shuestar13]

From Sam Kerr…



A minority still for sure… but the voices of dissent won’t dissipate now I think.